lb v2 - Back on the grid.

I won't comment on what Pete's thinking, because I don't know him personally.

As for the Lindens, I'd like you to back up your speculation with some logical evidence as to why they wouldn't take this seriously. I'm trying to get past your use of hyperbole, but I don't think anyone "laughs" at:
- Global network of self-replicators that you HOPE are coded right.
- A 30 page thread of concerned residents that stays on the top of the General forum for nearly a week now. A dozen threads on top of that.
- A deluge of Abuse Reports.
- An issue that Lindens acknowledge could, if more people use them, shut down the grid.

And considering the amount of time and people that have been examining this, from what I understand, that's nothing that's "laughable".

Oh, don't get me wrong Hiro. I believe the use of techniques to get around autoreturn should be against TOS. I'm just fed up with having to expend so much energy in going through the right channels to get things done, and then having nothing get done.

Well getting frustrated and saying people are laughing at the issue doesn't help. If you're tired, just get away from the forum for a while.

At this point i am disturbed by this Pete Fats and his total lack of responsibility and at the same time i am even more disturbed by the Lindens and by their short sightedness.
This is easily linked to Cristiano's post about recidive griefers being allowed to stick around to grief again, the lindens are being extremely lax exactly with the ones that would need a serious smack on the head.

I don’t see that. The Lindens have responded to the initial concerns raised in the Linden Hotline forum, and yesterday in another thread, Robin invited continued discussion on the matter:
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The community is evaluating the issue. The Lindens are evaluating it, and maintaining dialog with the community. Quite the opposite to finding humor, I find them to be responsive.

I was just offering a possible reason why they have returned....but its nice to see you'r still an asshole...

As Vestalia said, the Lindens aren't ignoring this. It's just that they're in the middle of getting 1.6 out, just got done with (a) GDC (b) a weekend of catching up, and (c) From my experience in RL companies, policy changes that require likely approval from the top don't happen overnight

I don't. Several times Robin has been said that those things immediately return after being deleted or returned and several times she posted exactly the same things completely ignoring this point. If this is being responsive maybe we have a different concept of the word "responsive"...
My very personal impression (but i could be wrong) is that they post and then don't read the answers to their posts.

You are correct that this point hasn't really sunk in with any immediacy. It didn't with me either -- this is an issue which is scattered through something like three or four threads within the general and hotline forums -- and nobody's really sitting on their prose lately.
I had a couple of hours to kill yesterday to read it all and filter out the sabre waving to get even a rough idea of what it's all about. I don't expect anyone to drop whatever it is they're doing to find that same couple of hours to wade through forum posts. Perhaps different concepts of "responsiveness", perhaps a different sense of immediate gratification.

Yes, please ruin 20,000 players' in-world experiences to prove a point. Throw all pretenses for land ownership rights out the door. That's what we all need. Throw out the baby with the bathwater while you're at it, and then, after the baby falls down 4 stories, stomp on it and run it over with your truck. Just to prove a point.

the Forums Demand Action!

mmm, maybe I should have put a big grin next to that option.

If all else fails...

just for the record, they are back in Anton too and the fps at the same time of the day with only me on the sim has gone back down from 650+ to constantly less than 550

Do you wear hoochie hair?

My hair is 5 prims.

i nominate kris's island as the official testing ground of self-replicating un-returnable code, since she doesn seem to mind it all and could use the entertainment

(j/k)

Seconded!

(j/k .... ?)

does lb stand for land baron?

or little boxes?

Let's take a wait and see attitude for a few weeks? And scripters, please don't release the On-rez Stealthy Land Scanner Proliferation script until it doesn't look like there's any hope left? (maybe it's already done, idk. sigh...) The Lindens have a point about the difficulty fo redefining policy in such a way as to not stymie future development/use of tech that shares similar aspects.

They were not removed in Gualala and the sim's fps is around 325 last time I checked.

While this is a worthy topic for discussion, many of you once again, miss the mark when it comes to what the Lindens should and should not do and why the Lindens choose to do nothing. While I have regularly called them dictators I realize that they are fully aware of the limitations of their power. The TOS is purposely vague and is written to provide them with a lot of wiggle room.

What if they ban this type of activity? What are they banning? The intrusion? The intent? What is the intention? I've read everything from this Fats guy is an asshole just f'ing with us to it being some godawful land baron hunkered down in his underground lair like Dr. Evil. Look at all the questions that banning will raise in this forum and the resulting action. I don't blame LL for not wanting to deal with it. Especially when legitimate concerns (Hiro's) are mixed with the need to hunt down and kill the perps (any number of pitchfork wielding types).

You want change, be vocal, be heard, but at some point accept the environment or leave it. I've only been here three months and learned early on that LL has no real spine. I'm surprised you old-timers still carry on issue by issue when you should know their responses are limited to lip-service.

While it is beneficial to voice differences and grievances through this forum and in-world, at some point these non-stop threads about this issue need to end. And yes, I appreciate the irony of my commenting on this thread pushing it back to the top of the list -- which will lead to further comment.

The virus. As per article 5.1 paragraph V of the TOS.

And when you have been here longer, you will understand that the LL team does read the forums, and they use the forums to seek comment and solution ideas for issues before the community. Raising issues in the forum, discussing the various positions, has served the community well and has led to many improvements in SL.

Accept it or leave? Why not take your own advice if the threads offend you.

Shiryu, I know you are radically opposed to what is going on and I respect your opinion but it is not a virus. It would be like me saying one player throwing an elbow at another player is a soccer riot.

If LL bans this type of satellite object (pick a reason, pick a design), would you all come after me if I decided to form some sort of Strategic Air Command (SAC) that had 24/7 planes aloft with equipment performing the same function throughout SL?

BTW - we still don't know what the function is. We just feel violated so it's all bad.

Please remove your elitist head from your ass.

The thread doesn't offend me. What offends me are people like you who feel compelled to tell anyone who hasn't been around as long as them, how things work. Even worse, when people who present themselves as all-knowing come off as jackasses by twisting words to suit their own agenda. How long did you have to be around SL to learn that trick?

I know damn well that LL reads the forums and have corresponed with them myself. I stand by my comments on what I believe they will do regarding this PARTICULAR ISSUE.