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Corwin Weber

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12-17-2004 16:01

From: Korg Stygian

So you are suggesting that I/you/we/society bear the burden of finacially and physically supporting all "current death row prisoners" in perpetuity? What did I do such that their commission of a crime entitles them to food, shelter and clothing paid for by me/you/society for the rest of their lives? Hell, if we need an executioner, I'll pull switches on the death row crowd a lot cheaper than the guy in Florida does it for (I heard that ten years ago the pay for each execution in Florida was around 2500 for switch flicking... pretty good for a single day's pay back then .. imagine what it is now with inflation).

If prison is so great.... why aren't you volunteering to go?

Oh, that's right.... because even with food, shelter and clothing.... it's still prison, and it still sucks ass.

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12-17-2004 18:11

That's terrible! That poor baby, having to be in Kansas...

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12-17-2004 19:14

From: Corwin Weber

If prison is so great.... why aren't you volunteering to go?

Oh, that's right.... because even with food, shelter and clothing.... it's still prison, and it still sucks ass.

Alright smart ass... If you read what I posted... I volunteered to be the executioner you ignorant fool... oh.. sorry.. not necessarily ignorant.. just apparently illiterate.... there seems to have been a recent thread about that... were they speaking of you?

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12-17-2004 19:21

Minor correction -- prison doesn't suck ass --- it F.........

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Corwin Weber

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12-17-2004 20:08

From: Korg Stygian

Alright smart ass... If you read what I posted... I volunteered to be the executioner you ignorant fool... oh.. sorry.. not necessarily ignorant.. just apparently illiterate.... there seems to have been a recent thread about that... were they speaking of you?

Yes you agreed to do the killing.... rather than pay for their basic support. And conveniently ignoring the fact that prison, while it does provide for basic needs, does in fact suck ass.

Again.... if prison is so cushy that you aren't willing to send this person there.... why aren't YOU willing to go there? Could it possibly be that prison does in fact suck ass, and you know it as well as the rest of us do?

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12-17-2004 23:36

Maybe the death penalty IS the worn solution for this twisted sick F*CK

Perhaps alternating each week between crushing him till his bones crack one week... and 1940's style concentration camp medical experimentation the next week.....

or some other such suffering that will serve as a deterring example to others with no clear understanding of right and wrong....

sometimes just putting them in prison isn't enough. What if this was your sister, wife or mother?

Corwin Weber

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12-17-2004 23:38

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sometimes just putting them in prison isn't enough. What if this was your sister, wife or mother?

I'd probably kill them with my bare hands.

This would be why we don't let greiving families make that decision. We leave it up to due process.

I know this is a horrible crime, and it sickens us all.... but we live in a nation with the rule of law. The minute we abandon it, we're ALL in danger.

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12-18-2004 01:13

Prison doesn't 'suck ass' enough. Prisoners get far too many 'perks'. Take away TV privledges, newspapers, weights...give them only basic, bland foodstuffs, make prison an ultra-boring and mind numbing experience, and see how the crime rates drop.

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12-18-2004 09:41

From: Devlin Gallant

Prison doesn't 'suck ass' enough. Prisoners get far too many 'perks'. Take away TV privledges, newspapers, weights...give them only basic, bland foodstuffs, make prison an ultra-boring and mind numbing experience, and see how the crime rates drop.

Problem is, we've tried that. Crime rates didn't go down, and all that happened is that prison got a lot more dangerous, for inmates (not all of whom are violent offenders,) for guards and other people who work there, and for society when inmates got out.

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12-18-2004 09:43

Then perhaps mandatory labotomys for all violent offenders is the way to go.

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12-18-2004 10:19

From: Devlin Gallant

Then perhaps mandatory labotomys for all violent offenders is the way to go.

And for the falsely accused? (It DOES happen.... not nearly as often as convicts claim it does, but it does happen...)

Remember.... basic rights apply to everybody or they're meaningless. If you give someone the power to do something to convicts, you potentially give them the power to do it to YOU.

I'm not saying that the system we have is perfect. It's just the best we've found so far. Yes, it needs to be improved.... but going all medieval on people isn't an improvement. It's been tried, and didn't work well at all.

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12-18-2004 10:35

Well, the falsely accused will STILL be happy. After the procedure anyway.

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12-18-2004 10:38

Well if the punishments were harsh maybe people would seriously think long and hard about not committing a crime. Innocent people are sometimes convicted, but if fewer people actually were to comit crimes the number of falsely accused would drop dramatically as well... assume 3% of 3000 vs 3% of 30,000

I have to agree with Ferran and Devlin here. The people committing these crimes are adults and are supposed to understand the difference between right and wrong, if they still don't than sitting in a cage watching TV and lifting weights won't teach them that.

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12-18-2004 10:48

From: Gen Grace

Well if the punishments were harsh maybe people would seriously think long and hard about not committing a crime. Innocent people are sometimes convicted, but if fewer people actually were to comit crimes the number of falsely accused would drop dramatically as well... assume 3% of 3000 vs 3% of 30,000

I have to agree with Ferran and Devlin here. The people committing these crimes are adults and are supposed to understand the difference between right and wrong, if they still don't than sitting in a cage watching TV and lifting weights won't teach them that.

Except that 'harsh punishments' don't work either. Again.... we've tried it. No effect. We're still trying it when it comes down to it. (Let's face it.... when it comes to punishment, execution is about as harsh as you can get.) And regardless of execution.... crime rates don't change enough to be worth mentioning.

I guess I'm being a functionalist here. If it doesn't change anything, then why do it? Wouldn't we be better off looking for something that DOES work instead of just sticking with something which may satisfy some people's need for vengeance, but doesn't actually solve the problem?

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Corwin Weber Registered User Join date: 2 Oct 2003 Posts: 390	12-17-2004 16:01 From: Korg Stygian So you are suggesting that I/you/we/society bear the burden of finacially and physically supporting all "current death row prisoners" in perpetuity? What did I do such that their commission of a crime entitles them to food, shelter and clothing paid for by me/you/society for the rest of their lives? Hell, if we need an executioner, I'll pull switches on the death row crowd a lot cheaper than the guy in Florida does it for (I heard that ten years ago the pay for each execution in Florida was around 2500 for switch flicking... pretty good for a single day's pay back then .. imagine what it is now with inflation). If prison is so great.... why aren't you volunteering to go? Oh, that's right.... because even with food, shelter and clothing.... it's still prison, and it still sucks ass.
Nora Belvedere Ask me about being an alt Join date: 25 Sep 2004 Posts: 267	12-17-2004 18:11 That's terrible! That poor baby, having to be in Kansas... _____________________ Coming soon, as RITA GROSHOMME!
Korg Stygian Curmudgeon Extraordinaire Join date: 3 Jun 2004 Posts: 1,105	12-17-2004 19:14 From: Corwin Weber If prison is so great.... why aren't you volunteering to go? Oh, that's right.... because even with food, shelter and clothing.... it's still prison, and it still sucks ass. Alright smart ass... If you read what I posted... I volunteered to be the executioner you ignorant fool... oh.. sorry.. not necessarily ignorant.. just apparently illiterate.... there seems to have been a recent thread about that... were they speaking of you?
Siggy Romulus DILLIGAF Join date: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 5,711	12-17-2004 19:21 Minor correction -- prison doesn't suck ass --- it F......... _____________________ The Second Life forums are living proof as to why it's illegal for people to have sex with farm animals. From: Jesse Linden I, for one, am highly un-helped by this thread
Corwin Weber Registered User Join date: 2 Oct 2003 Posts: 390	12-17-2004 20:08 From: Korg Stygian Alright smart ass... If you read what I posted... I volunteered to be the executioner you ignorant fool... oh.. sorry.. not necessarily ignorant.. just apparently illiterate.... there seems to have been a recent thread about that... were they speaking of you? Yes you agreed to do the killing.... rather than pay for their basic support. And conveniently ignoring the fact that prison, while it does provide for basic needs, does in fact suck ass. Again.... if prison is so cushy that you aren't willing to send this person there.... why aren't YOU willing to go there? Could it possibly be that prison does in fact suck ass, and you know it as well as the rest of us do?
Ferran Brodsky Better living through rum Join date: 3 Feb 2004 Posts: 821	12-17-2004 23:36 Maybe the death penalty IS the worn solution for this twisted sick F*CK Perhaps alternating each week between crushing him till his bones crack one week... and 1940's style concentration camp medical experimentation the next week..... or some other such suffering that will serve as a deterring example to others with no clear understanding of right and wrong.... sometimes just putting them in prison isn't enough. What if this was your sister, wife or mother?
Corwin Weber Registered User Join date: 2 Oct 2003 Posts: 390	12-17-2004 23:38 From: someone sometimes just putting them in prison isn't enough. What if this was your sister, wife or mother? I'd probably kill them with my bare hands. This would be why we don't let greiving families make that decision. We leave it up to due process. I know this is a horrible crime, and it sickens us all.... but we live in a nation with the rule of law. The minute we abandon it, we're ALL in danger.
Devlin Gallant Thought Police Join date: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 5,948	12-18-2004 01:13 Prison doesn't 'suck ass' enough. Prisoners get far too many 'perks'. Take away TV privledges, newspapers, weights...give them only basic, bland foodstuffs, make prison an ultra-boring and mind numbing experience, and see how the crime rates drop. _____________________ I LIKE children, I've just never been able to finish a whole one.
Corwin Weber Registered User Join date: 2 Oct 2003 Posts: 390	12-18-2004 09:41 From: Devlin Gallant Prison doesn't 'suck ass' enough. Prisoners get far too many 'perks'. Take away TV privledges, newspapers, weights...give them only basic, bland foodstuffs, make prison an ultra-boring and mind numbing experience, and see how the crime rates drop. Problem is, we've tried that. Crime rates didn't go down, and all that happened is that prison got a lot more dangerous, for inmates (not all of whom are violent offenders,) for guards and other people who work there, and for society when inmates got out.
Devlin Gallant Thought Police Join date: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 5,948	12-18-2004 09:43 Then perhaps mandatory labotomys for all violent offenders is the way to go. _____________________ I LIKE children, I've just never been able to finish a whole one.
Corwin Weber Registered User Join date: 2 Oct 2003 Posts: 390	12-18-2004 10:19 From: Devlin Gallant Then perhaps mandatory labotomys for all violent offenders is the way to go. And for the falsely accused? (It DOES happen.... not nearly as often as convicts claim it does, but it does happen...) Remember.... basic rights apply to everybody or they're meaningless. If you give someone the power to do something to convicts, you potentially give them the power to do it to YOU. I'm not saying that the system we have is perfect. It's just the best we've found so far. Yes, it needs to be improved.... but going all medieval on people isn't an improvement. It's been tried, and didn't work well at all.
Devlin Gallant Thought Police Join date: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 5,948	12-18-2004 10:35 Well, the falsely accused will STILL be happy. After the procedure anyway. _____________________ I LIKE children, I've just never been able to finish a whole one.
Gen Grace Registered User Join date: 14 May 2004 Posts: 14	12-18-2004 10:38 Well if the punishments were harsh maybe people would seriously think long and hard about not committing a crime. Innocent people are sometimes convicted, but if fewer people actually were to comit crimes the number of falsely accused would drop dramatically as well... assume 3% of 3000 vs 3% of 30,000 I have to agree with Ferran and Devlin here. The people committing these crimes are adults and are supposed to understand the difference between right and wrong, if they still don't than sitting in a cage watching TV and lifting weights won't teach them that.
Corwin Weber Registered User Join date: 2 Oct 2003 Posts: 390	12-18-2004 10:48 From: Gen Grace Well if the punishments were harsh maybe people would seriously think long and hard about not committing a crime. Innocent people are sometimes convicted, but if fewer people actually were to comit crimes the number of falsely accused would drop dramatically as well... assume 3% of 3000 vs 3% of 30,000 I have to agree with Ferran and Devlin here. The people committing these crimes are adults and are supposed to understand the difference between right and wrong, if they still don't than sitting in a cage watching TV and lifting weights won't teach them that. Except that 'harsh punishments' don't work either. Again.... we've tried it. No effect. We're still trying it when it comes down to it. (Let's face it.... when it comes to punishment, execution is about as harsh as you can get.) And regardless of execution.... crime rates don't change enough to be worth mentioning. I guess I'm being a functionalist here. If it doesn't change anything, then why do it? Wouldn't we be better off looking for something that DOES work instead of just sticking with something which may satisfy some people's need for vengeance, but doesn't actually solve the problem?