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Rhysling Greenacre

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Join date: 15 Nov 2003

Posts: 132

11-18-2003 03:56

The world seems very crowded to me.

James Miller

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Posts: 1,500

11-18-2003 04:37

I have a feeling we're getting a LOT more land tommorow, hence the temporary removal of Olive...

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Lordfly Digeridoo

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11-18-2003 05:48

you've said this twice james... any source?

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Derek Jones

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11-18-2003 05:50

Some suspect James is an undercover linden or is in close relations with a linden in New York

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Relee Baysklef

Irresistable Squirrel

Join date: 18 Sep 2003

Posts: 360

11-18-2003 06:02

With so many newbies showing up, and probably some of them paying, I imagine Linden Labs has gotten a burst of cash. They'll probably put in some new sims, if not just for the money, but to fit the newbies in.

The new sims will likely follow the new map, which had a long line of new sims above the olive/slate area.

Malachi Petunia

Gentle Miscreant

Join date: 21 Sep 2003

Posts: 3,414

11-18-2003 06:02

I heard James was a mole from There or TSO, or maybe ia a CIA agent posing as a resident. Others have speculated that he is a former mobster moved by the FBI into SL as part of the Witness Protection Program.

Hope I didn't blow your cover James; good thing Devlin doesn't read the forums - I don't like to think what might happen if he knew

Dave Zeeman

Master Procrastinator

Join date: 28 Jan 2003

Posts: 1,025

11-18-2003 06:56

If anything, James is NOT a Linden

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odalisque VonLenard

3rd Lifer

Join date: 1 May 2003

Posts: 84

11-18-2003 07:07

Puhleeze.... James Linden? hahah doesn't even sound like it could be a possiblity!

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Snoopy Pico

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Join date: 5 Feb 2003

Posts: 62

11-18-2003 09:44

Hehe Jame's.... im watching you!

Eggy Lippmann

Wiktator

Join date: 1 May 2003

Posts: 7,939

11-18-2003 09:54

One word: RENT!
Plenty of room in the various apartment complexes in mauve, rose, etc.
Besides the world is incredibly empty, at least whenever I'm on there are plenty of sims with zero people in them. Makes me wonder who the hell owns all of the land and builds.

Sassy Apple

Senior Member

Join date: 24 Feb 2003

Posts: 62

11-18-2003 09:59

where is everyone? i know where everyone is and i can say it in two words Mature Sims.. Lindens if your listening we need more more Mature sims oh please pleese!!!....

Siobhan Taylor

Nemesis

Join date: 13 Aug 2003

Posts: 5,476

11-18-2003 10:02

I'm with you on that, Sassy... I moved to Mocha for the prim usage, but it's so restrictive...

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Jack Digeridoo

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Join date: 29 Jul 2003

Posts: 1,170

11-18-2003 10:02

From: someone

Originally posted by Eggy Lippmann
One word: RENT!

It's just not the same as your own place Eggy. I wish land ownership was capped.

Jazz Apollo

Junior Member

Join date: 14 Nov 2003

Posts: 5

11-18-2003 10:09

Being new and all, one of my initial goals is to find/build a place to live. Whilst there are certainly rental apartments out there - I think its most new people's impulse to want to build their own place - after all that is a major selling point of SL!

There are definitely pros and cons to both - but having scouted out a few of the Sims I am coming to the same conclusion - there isnt much land LEFT to buy! I am sure this will be remedied but like Eggy said - it can potentially leave a bigger issue - a bunch of empty Sims - there are, after all, only a certain amount of people in-game at any one time and they dont all sit at home!

Just random thoughts from a newbie

Eggy Lippmann

Wiktator

Join date: 1 May 2003

Posts: 7,939

11-18-2003 10:14

I never really understood this. Do you people all have your own house IRL? I know america is the de facto capital of urban sprawl but this is ridiculous.
My dream place is precisely an apartment on top of a huge skyscraper, preferrably the biggest one in the city so I get a cool view of the concrete jungle around me

Personally I would like to see a skyscraper themed sim where there is only ONE building which would be a giant skyscraper of realistic proportions (meaning 4 or 5 hundred meters tall).
Pity that we can only fit about 30 people in the same sim

Siobhan Taylor

Nemesis

Join date: 13 Aug 2003

Posts: 5,476

11-18-2003 10:16

I have my own house, Eggy... and I don't live in the US.

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Nala Galatea

Pink Dragon Kung-Fu

Join date: 12 Nov 2003

Posts: 335

11-18-2003 10:18

From: someone

Originally posted by Eggy Lippmann
One word: RENT!
Plenty of room in the various apartment complexes in mauve, rose, etc.
Besides the world is incredibly empty, at least whenever I'm on there are plenty of sims with zero people in them. Makes me wonder who the hell owns all of the land and builds.

Since you get enough money each week that can afford your own place, most people have no incentive to shack up with others. I mean, given the choice of owning your own place, or renting out, assuming money was not a factor, which would you choose?

As for empty sims, that's always going to be a problem when there is so much to do and not a lot of people. I saw this phenom happen in TSO, when everyone owned their own homes, and only massive pizza machines or....*ahem*questionable services*ahem*....would get many visitors.

Also, think of the math. Let's say there are 10 plots per sim, and there are 30-40 sims total (correct if I'm wrong). That adds up to 300-400 places to go. Since each sim can only hold about 30 people before it starts losing stability, and top that with only about 200 people being logged on at any given time, that's a LOT of places for not a lot of people. (Again correct me if I'm totally wrong)

So, even though I'd love to own my own place, I'm against it for now, because who would benifit, besides myself, from another place to visit out there?

Jazz Apollo

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Join date: 14 Nov 2003

Posts: 5

11-18-2003 10:23

On your first point Nala - I completely agree - people IRL don't have the money by and large to have their 'dream house' so they make do. In SL money is less of a factor so why WOULDN'T people want to build a nice house?

On your second point - I agree that it is a problem - and not an easy one to get around. You give the people the ability to build things such as houses and they will want to use it - but with the population density so low it becomes a ghost town rather quickly! How do you balance both though? Theres the 64,000 L$ question!

Siobhan Taylor

Nemesis

Join date: 13 Aug 2003

Posts: 5,476

11-18-2003 10:25

Hey, for L$64,000 you can have my house, lol

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Jazz Apollo

Junior Member

Join date: 14 Nov 2003

Posts: 5

11-18-2003 10:35

From: someone

Originally posted by Siobhan Taylor
Hey, for L$64,000 you can have my house, lol

Time to start saving up my L$ then

*joke* Your house is perfectly lovely Siobhan and I'm sure Julia would want to keep it that way

Siobhan Taylor

Nemesis

Join date: 13 Aug 2003

Posts: 5,476

11-18-2003 10:45

Thanks, and you're right of course...

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Relee Baysklef

Irresistable Squirrel

Join date: 18 Sep 2003

Posts: 360

11-18-2003 11:08

I own my own place, AND I rent a room.

Einsman Schlegel

Disenchanted Fool

Join date: 11 Jun 2003

Posts: 1,461

11-18-2003 11:14

As for more land.. yea. Id say its a needed commodity. Mature Sims would releive the stress on the others. And a point taken here.. Since we're all adults.. (and I know this can be argued extensively) whats with all the PG sims anyway? Is there some plan to let underaged users into the picture here or am I just blaintly mistaken?

Cori Sunshine

Registered User

Join date: 16 Jun 2003

Posts: 42

11-18-2003 11:20

Ditto on the need for more land. The whole point of the game is to be creative. If there is no land to buy, how is anyone supposed to do that?

As to renting...If you're only here to social that might be an option.

Hey LL ..we need more dirt

Hawk Statosky

Camouflage tourist

Join date: 11 Nov 2003

Posts: 175

11-18-2003 11:26

Isn't one problem with the opening of the new lands that the most likely people to wind up with large swathes of it are the long-termers with the most disposable income.

Now I'm not suggesting only letting noobs buy land in new sims or anything wierd like that, but isn't there a way to balance distribution of land just a _little_. Us newbies need a home outside the campgrounds too!

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Rhysling Greenacre Registered User Join date: 15 Nov 2003 Posts: 132	11-18-2003 03:56 The world seems very crowded to me.
James Miller Village Idiot Join date: 9 Jan 2003 Posts: 1,500	11-18-2003 04:37 I have a feeling we're getting a LOT more land tommorow, hence the temporary removal of Olive... _____________________ George W. Bush hates America.
Lordfly Digeridoo Prim Orchestrator Join date: 21 Jul 2003 Posts: 3,628	11-18-2003 05:48 you've said this twice james... any source? LF _____________________ ---- http://www.lordfly.com/ http://www.twitter.com/lordfly http://www.plurk.com/lordfly
Derek Jones SL's Second Oldest Monkey Join date: 18 Mar 2003 Posts: 668	11-18-2003 05:50 Some suspect James is an undercover linden or is in close relations with a linden in New York _____________________ The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact than a drunken man is happier than a sober one
Relee Baysklef Irresistable Squirrel Join date: 18 Sep 2003 Posts: 360	11-18-2003 06:02 With so many newbies showing up, and probably some of them paying, I imagine Linden Labs has gotten a burst of cash. They'll probably put in some new sims, if not just for the money, but to fit the newbies in. The new sims will likely follow the new map, which had a long line of new sims above the olive/slate area.
Malachi Petunia Gentle Miscreant Join date: 21 Sep 2003 Posts: 3,414	11-18-2003 06:02 I heard James was a mole from There or TSO, or maybe ia a CIA agent posing as a resident. Others have speculated that he is a former mobster moved by the FBI into SL as part of the Witness Protection Program. Hope I didn't blow your cover James; good thing Devlin doesn't read the forums - I don't like to think what might happen if he knew
Dave Zeeman Master Procrastinator Join date: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 1,025	11-18-2003 06:56 If anything, James is NOT a Linden _____________________ llToggleDaveZeemanIntelligence(FALSE); Philip Linden: Zeeman, strip off the suit! Dave Zeeman - Keeping Lindens on their toes since v0.3.2!
odalisque VonLenard 3rd Lifer Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 84	11-18-2003 07:07 Puhleeze.... James Linden? hahah doesn't even sound like it could be a possiblity! _____________________ Life is short, so get a second one, I did! "You better lose yourself in the music, the moment You own it, you better never let it go You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow This opportunity comes once in a lifetime yo." Eminem
Snoopy Pico Your Best Friend Join date: 5 Feb 2003 Posts: 62	11-18-2003 09:44 Hehe Jame's.... im watching you!
Eggy Lippmann Wiktator Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 7,939	11-18-2003 09:54 One word: RENT! Plenty of room in the various apartment complexes in mauve, rose, etc. Besides the world is incredibly empty, at least whenever I'm on there are plenty of sims with zero people in them. Makes me wonder who the hell owns all of the land and builds.
Sassy Apple Senior Member Join date: 24 Feb 2003 Posts: 62	11-18-2003 09:59 where is everyone? i know where everyone is and i can say it in two words Mature Sims.. Lindens if your listening we need more more Mature sims oh please pleese!!!....
Siobhan Taylor Nemesis Join date: 13 Aug 2003 Posts: 5,476	11-18-2003 10:02 I'm with you on that, Sassy... I moved to Mocha for the prim usage, but it's so restrictive... _____________________ http://siobhantaylor.wordpress.com/
Jack Digeridoo machinimaniac Join date: 29 Jul 2003 Posts: 1,170	11-18-2003 10:02 From: someone Originally posted by Eggy Lippmann One word: RENT! It's just not the same as your own place Eggy. I wish land ownership was capped.
Jazz Apollo Junior Member Join date: 14 Nov 2003 Posts: 5	11-18-2003 10:09 Being new and all, one of my initial goals is to find/build a place to live. Whilst there are certainly rental apartments out there - I think its most new people's impulse to want to build their own place - after all that is a major selling point of SL! There are definitely pros and cons to both - but having scouted out a few of the Sims I am coming to the same conclusion - there isnt much land LEFT to buy! I am sure this will be remedied but like Eggy said - it can potentially leave a bigger issue - a bunch of empty Sims - there are, after all, only a certain amount of people in-game at any one time and they dont all sit at home! Just random thoughts from a newbie
Eggy Lippmann Wiktator Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 7,939	11-18-2003 10:14 I never really understood this. Do you people all have your own house IRL? I know america is the de facto capital of urban sprawl but this is ridiculous. My dream place is precisely an apartment on top of a huge skyscraper, preferrably the biggest one in the city so I get a cool view of the concrete jungle around me Personally I would like to see a skyscraper themed sim where there is only ONE building which would be a giant skyscraper of realistic proportions (meaning 4 or 5 hundred meters tall). Pity that we can only fit about 30 people in the same sim
Siobhan Taylor Nemesis Join date: 13 Aug 2003 Posts: 5,476	11-18-2003 10:16 I have my own house, Eggy... and I don't live in the US. _____________________ http://siobhantaylor.wordpress.com/
Nala Galatea Pink Dragon Kung-Fu Join date: 12 Nov 2003 Posts: 335	11-18-2003 10:18 From: someone Originally posted by Eggy Lippmann One word: RENT! Plenty of room in the various apartment complexes in mauve, rose, etc. Besides the world is incredibly empty, at least whenever I'm on there are plenty of sims with zero people in them. Makes me wonder who the hell owns all of the land and builds. Since you get enough money each week that can afford your own place, most people have no incentive to shack up with others. I mean, given the choice of owning your own place, or renting out, assuming money was not a factor, which would you choose? As for empty sims, that's always going to be a problem when there is so much to do and not a lot of people. I saw this phenom happen in TSO, when everyone owned their own homes, and only massive pizza machines or....ahemquestionable servicesahem....would get many visitors. Also, think of the math. Let's say there are 10 plots per sim, and there are 30-40 sims total (correct if I'm wrong). That adds up to 300-400 places to go. Since each sim can only hold about 30 people before it starts losing stability, and top that with only about 200 people being logged on at any given time, that's a LOT of places for not a lot of people. (Again correct me if I'm totally wrong) So, even though I'd love to own my own place, I'm against it for now, because who would benifit, besides myself, from another place to visit out there?
Jazz Apollo Junior Member Join date: 14 Nov 2003 Posts: 5	11-18-2003 10:23 On your first point Nala - I completely agree - people IRL don't have the money by and large to have their 'dream house' so they make do. In SL money is less of a factor so why WOULDN'T people want to build a nice house? On your second point - I agree that it is a problem - and not an easy one to get around. You give the people the ability to build things such as houses and they will want to use it - but with the population density so low it becomes a ghost town rather quickly! How do you balance both though? Theres the 64,000 L$ question!
Siobhan Taylor Nemesis Join date: 13 Aug 2003 Posts: 5,476	11-18-2003 10:25 Hey, for L$64,000 you can have my house, lol _____________________ http://siobhantaylor.wordpress.com/
Jazz Apollo Junior Member Join date: 14 Nov 2003 Posts: 5	11-18-2003 10:35 From: someone Originally posted by Siobhan Taylor Hey, for L$64,000 you can have my house, lol Time to start saving up my L$ then joke Your house is perfectly lovely Siobhan and I'm sure Julia would want to keep it that way
Siobhan Taylor Nemesis Join date: 13 Aug 2003 Posts: 5,476	11-18-2003 10:45 Thanks, and you're right of course... _____________________ http://siobhantaylor.wordpress.com/
Relee Baysklef Irresistable Squirrel Join date: 18 Sep 2003 Posts: 360	11-18-2003 11:08 I own my own place, AND I rent a room.
Einsman Schlegel Disenchanted Fool Join date: 11 Jun 2003 Posts: 1,461	11-18-2003 11:14 As for more land.. yea. Id say its a needed commodity. Mature Sims would releive the stress on the others. And a point taken here.. Since we're all adults.. (and I know this can be argued extensively) whats with all the PG sims anyway? Is there some plan to let underaged users into the picture here or am I just blaintly mistaken?
Cori Sunshine Registered User Join date: 16 Jun 2003 Posts: 42	11-18-2003 11:20 Ditto on the need for more land. The whole point of the game is to be creative. If there is no land to buy, how is anyone supposed to do that? As to renting...If you're only here to social that might be an option. Hey LL ..we need more dirt
Hawk Statosky Camouflage tourist Join date: 11 Nov 2003 Posts: 175	11-18-2003 11:26 Isn't one problem with the opening of the new lands that the most likely people to wind up with large swathes of it are the long-termers with the most disposable income. Now I'm not suggesting only letting noobs buy land in new sims or anything wierd like that, but isn't there a way to balance distribution of land just a _little_. Us newbies need a home outside the campgrounds too!

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