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Pay to Visit Clubs??

Caitlin Jackson
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Join date: 6 Nov 2004
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01-12-2005 08:08
I would pay to go to the event.....as long as the money being paid....was to go in a jackpot and the winner of the contest recieved the money. Since there is no more LL suppirt for contests.....I think it is a way to continue to have them. At alot of clubs where I am from in RL they charge a cover fee.....Looks like that is what is going to have to be done in SL to keep clubs up and going....I will not pay for than 20L to get in the club though...but the money has to go for winnings!
Alexa Hope
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01-12-2005 08:09
I occasionally go to the Outback Club. Why? Because its small, friendly, no 'escorts', moneyball or 'exotic' dancers. I would pay L$50 to go there.


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01-12-2005 08:12
From: Heather Nyak
*starting to think i should of thought b4 i did the poll * :)


Actually, I think it was good you did this though, you got ppl thinking about it.

I think the cover charge idea is great.
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Usagi Musashi
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01-12-2005 08:14
THUMBS UP WIT THIS IDEA! I would! But how many clubs can a person go to at the begainning? and rember if the yget thorw out for any reason they wil want a refund.
Heather Nyak
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01-12-2005 08:19
At the moment opinion is divided, but from what i can gather nearly all of you would pay a reasonable fee to go to an event (club or not) if:

1.Theres a sort of preview time to see if you like it atmoshpere,surroundings,lag etc

2.Interesting unique event that you would enjoy

3.Majority of money goes for the prize 70-80%
Pendari Lorentz
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01-12-2005 08:21
I would pay this much or even more if it was an event I really wanted to attend. Even *if* there were no prizes I would even pay if I really wanted to attend the event. I'm sure most would not even charge $50Lindens so that would just mean more I might try out. But yes, any event that charges, if I feel it is worth it, I would pay to attend.

Another thing to try if you are planning on running the same event on a regular basis, is to do a couple of free trial days. Maybe one every few months. This gives people a chance to check the event out to see if it is something they would pay to go to. Of course, the "free trial" day is not really feasible if it is just going to be a one time event. But still something to consider. :)
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Blake Rockwell
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01-12-2005 08:25
So you go to one Event, spend whatever to get in, after 1 hour the event is over and you contest as well, you win no money. There are other Events, you go to another Club, pay again, stay an hour..on and on and on..how many Clubs are you going to be able to afford to go to in one day? Not many, much less a week. You will be broke before you know it at that rate.
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Alexa Hope
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01-12-2005 08:28
That's about it Blake. Or you could consider a premium account where you receive L$500 a week.

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Heather Nyak
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01-12-2005 08:29
From: Usagi Musashi
THUMBS UP WIT THIS IDEA! I would! But how many clubs can a person go to at the begainning? and rember if the yget thorw out for any reason they wil want a refund.



if your thrown out because of SL then you could log in and go back in for free as your payment would let you on the land for an amount of time (from what i understand).

How many events do you all attend in a week? how many times do you usually win? Your stripend would enable you to pay for 1 paid event a day at 50L. Of course 50L is just a random figure and depends on the length of the event, interesting feedback though
Obscuro Valkyrie
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01-12-2005 08:35
No cover Charge at Club Asylum in Transylvania and free drinks
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Wynx Whiplash
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01-12-2005 08:44
Here's the thing: I don't go to clubs often but my friends do. We IM each other while I build stuff. Every once in a while, I need an opinion on something so IM a friend and they TP me over or I TP them to me. Would they have to pay to re-enter the event/club? or would I have to pay for that 5 minutes that I'm there? Maybe someone could make a "virtual wristband" that would allow access to the club for a whole evening so no-one would have to pay twice.

But what would really make sense is if everyone had to pay $50L to *enter* the contests. Not just to show up to the club and watch. Then the 70/30 split would be fair.
Inez Angelus
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01-12-2005 08:51
From: Wynx Whiplash
Here's the thing: I don't go to clubs often but my friends do. We IM each other while I build stuff. Every once in a while, I need an opinion on something so IM a friend and they TP me over or I TP them to me. Would they have to pay to re-enter the event/club? or would I have to pay for that 5 minutes that I'm there? Maybe someone could make a "virtual wristband" that would allow access to the club for a whole evening so no-one would have to pay twice.

But what would really make sense is if everyone had to pay $50L to *enter* the contests. Not just to show up to the club and watch. Then the 70/30 split would be fair.



That's a VERY good idea. That way owners still get higher Dwell, people that want to be in a position to win money have to contribute towards the pot to do so, and people that just want to hang can hang out.
Heather Nyak
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01-12-2005 08:51
From: Wynx Whiplash
Here's the thing: I don't go to clubs often but my friends do. We IM each other while I build stuff. Every once in a while, I need an opinion on something so IM a friend and they TP me over or I TP them to me. Would they have to pay to re-enter the event/club? or would I have to pay for that 5 minutes that I'm there? Maybe someone could make a "virtual wristband" that would allow access to the club for a whole evening so no-one would have to pay twice.

But what would really make sense is if everyone had to pay $50L to *enter* the contests. Not just to show up to the club and watch. Then the 70/30 split would be fair.


Thanks im open to opinions :)

Pay to enter the actual event not the land sounds good idea saves the hassle of people trying to cheat the system and would solve your problem. I like the idea of a fee that would give entry for the whole night regardless of the amount of events, though it would be harder to calculate prizes etc
Pendari Lorentz
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01-12-2005 10:15
From: Wynx Whiplash
Here's the thing: I don't go to clubs often but my friends do. We IM each other while I build stuff. Every once in a while, I need an opinion on something so IM a friend and they TP me over or I TP them to me. Would they have to pay to re-enter the event/club? or would I have to pay for that 5 minutes that I'm there? Maybe someone could make a "virtual wristband" that would allow access to the club for a whole evening so no-one would have to pay twice.

But what would really make sense is if everyone had to pay $50L to *enter* the contests. Not just to show up to the club and watch. Then the 70/30 split would be fair.


That's actually a really neat idea Wynx! :D

I'm sure that if various event hosts start charging for events, there will be a variety of ways the different hosts choose to go about charging. I think I'll start making up a list of creative ways to fund events based on all the great ideas I'm finding in the forums. I'll be sure to share my list when I've got it made! :)
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Jacobi Fatale
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01-12-2005 10:20
i dont go to clubs for the money. i go for music and friends having fun. if the clubs quit giving out money, i'd still go be out with friends
Magdalene Steele
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01-12-2005 10:54
Ya know ~ I could care less about the contests. My concern is that there remains incentives for people to Host. Meaning someone planning and being there with a lot of enthusiasm and maybe a DJ. Themes are great and still could happen but who really cares about the contest part .. Heck this is usually reflected by the Host having to nag people to vote. The general group really doesn't care about the contest - they care about going where other people are and having a good time.

A small covercharge going toward the staff via the Club Owner would be appropriate. And I am talking about maybe 5L to pay to the club per hour or say 10L for a (24 hour) days access and the club then pays the staff with this income. The clubs do receive dwell for avies also - and income from vendor sales (lol i don't know much about that end of the business so don't flame me if incorrect). Basically, I would prefer to pay wayyyy less in cover charge and not have a contest but have the money support the working staff of the club who make the visit enjoyable.
Tinker LaFollette
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01-12-2005 12:04
You know, this is one of those cases where LL could create a system that works *better* than RL, rather than just copying RL. Instead of a "cover charge" that you pay once when you cross the threshhold, how about having the system charge L$1 per minute while you're on the property? (or some other rate, obviously.) If you check out the club and don't like it, you're out a linden or three. Stick around for two hours, you could wind up paying L$100 or more. Set a threshhold, just to keep it from getting outrageous: once you've paid L$50, you've "bought" a 24-hour pass to the property, and hanging around longer costs nothing.

That would seem to answer all the objections raised here. Question is, how much effort would it take LL to implement it?
Lash Xevious
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01-12-2005 12:44
From: Tinker LaFollette
You know, this is one of those cases where LL could create a system that works *better* than RL, rather than just copying RL. Instead of a "cover charge" that you pay once when you cross the threshhold, how about having the system charge L$1 per minute while you're on the property? (or some other rate, obviously.) If you check out the club and don't like it, you're out a linden or three. Stick around for two hours, you could wind up paying L$100 or more. Set a threshhold, just to keep it from getting outrageous: once you've paid L$50, you've "bought" a 24-hour pass to the property, and hanging around longer costs nothing.

That would seem to answer all the objections raised here. Question is, how much effort would it take LL to implement it?


Great idea. :D
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01-12-2005 12:46
From: Terry Marshall
Problem is, with a income of 500l (and some less)
you could only visit 10 clubs....
Use the winnings as a 'clubbing fund' for oneself?
Ask any gambler about the law of 'diminishing returns' :(((

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Newfie Pendragon
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01-12-2005 12:58
I voted no. Then again that's because I dont go to clubs, they bore the living daylights out of me. I suppose I'd go if *I* was paid...but those who know me already know I'm not cheap :D
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Ahkin Pierce
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I said YES but....
01-12-2005 13:14
I think it should only be 20 Max and you better be a hell of a club and it should be scripted with a wristband, Only those wearing Wristband purchased for that day can get in and there should be events there all day i could get into with my wristband or atleast for 6 hours. These can be on a notecard you get when you buy your wristband. Priced need to go DOWN. Maybe a month club pass wristband would work to that is at discount price but paid in full for month or week. Staff Should jhave hours worked and then you add up all the money you have after you pay out your events - you knwo PROFIT and disperse a decent amonut of money - 250 an hour is alot of money. I eman we should see here that maybe that tux selling for 4000 should come down in price. There just is not enough Lindens to pay this amount of money to everyone yet we all seem to need it to buy these over priced items.

I am not trying to revert to other topics but to look at the whole picture and how clubs might fit into that fix.
Ahkin Pierce
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01-12-2005 13:22
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CrystalShard Foo
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01-12-2005 23:31
Allright, so here's a better idea:
Most of the public SL seems to be gearing toward icky gambling anyway, so why not use it?

Instead of enforcing payment for entrance - ask for payment for the prize. Only those who pay will be eligable to participate in the prize draw. Yup - you've just turned your club event into a gambling event. Tell me you havent seen it coming.

Icky. But atleast visitors will not have to pay up front to an event that may end up to be rather sucky in the end.
Hiro Pendragon
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01-12-2005 23:36
I bet we'd get better DJs, themes, preperation, and organized party games if people would have a monetary incentive (paid for charging for events)
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Jonquille Noir
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01-12-2005 23:51
No, I wouldn't pay to go to a club. I don't go to many clubs, and when I do, it's not to get prize money. It's to visit with friends, or support their events with my meager dwell, or to hear music I like and just do something mindless for a while, and that doesn't cost anything. I don't need to be paid to have a good time.

I would pay to go to other types of events, such as trivia, or contests I enjoy where prizes are awarded for an effort made. Many events have pots people can feed to swell the prizes awarded if they choose to, and some of those pots get into the thousands. I don't see any reason why more events can't accept donations if they want to award prizes.
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