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Heather Nyak
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01-12-2005 06:18
Hi i was just wondering if you would pay 50L to be at an event if the Prize money was 70% of the takings 20% to the host and 10% to the Owner of the Club.


E.G 20 people attend an event at 50L per person. So thats 700 prize 200 for the host and 100 for the owner.
Magdalene Steele
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01-12-2005 06:22
But i would be willing to pay significanly less.
Ghoti Nyak
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01-12-2005 06:24
Yes, but it would have to be a good event in a club I like.

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Khamon Fate
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01-12-2005 06:26
nah. but only because i don't go to clubs to begin with. that option isn't on the poll.
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Heather Nyak
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Khamon
01-12-2005 06:29
Yeah sorry forgot to add that but its my 1st time so thats my excuse.


Also please say if you would pay but not that much or whether it would depend on the event
Inez Angelus
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01-12-2005 06:38
If the event was something I was interested in attending, I would pay a $L50 admission fee to go towards the pot winners.

Things I would not attend: sexiest av, thong contests, wear a certain color, etc.

Things I would attend: funniest/most unique av, building contests, Tringo (but that already has a pot to contribute to anyway).
Anshe Chung
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01-12-2005 06:40
I would pay for fun entertainment or nice circumstance. If I want gamble I rather go use slot machine (or GOM ;))
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Terry Marshall
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01-12-2005 06:41
Problem is, with a income of 500l (and some less)
you could only visit 10 clubs....
Use the winnings as a 'clubbing fund' for oneself?
Ask any gambler about the law of 'diminishing returns' :(((
Khamon Fate
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01-12-2005 06:41
From: Heather Nyak
Yeah sorry forgot to add that but its my 1st time so thats my excuse.


Also please say if you would pay but not that much or whether it would depend on the event


it's probably a feature that we can't edit polls (at least add questions) once they're published. the only reason i can think is that we could go back and rephrase items to which people had already committed. i usually just stick an other or niether or see post type option so people have some latitude.
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Shadow Weaver
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01-12-2005 06:42
Thats what cover charge in a RL club does and it also ensures that the "entertainment" is paid for as well. Ie the dancers and such are supplimented from what they get paid in tips.

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Anjelle Lumiere
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01-12-2005 06:51
I hate to say it, but no. I won't pay to attend an event.

Am I cheap? Prolly (cause I AIN'T rich), but that isn't the reason. LOL!

More often than not, when I venture into a club I am faced with various issues such as lag, bogus hosts/events, rude hormones in g-strings, etc. Or, I simply get there and find I really don't care for the atmosphere. The music may be set to something I dislike. There may be a lot of inside jokes going on that I don't get. There may be any number of things that simply make me not wish to remain. Now, I am not complaining. It is just a human fact. Thing is, who is to know these issues will come into play until after we are forced to pay the entry fee? Not me. I'm certainly not psychic.

We were encouraged and pushed at There to charge for events. We ran into the very same issues. Basically, people would pay to enter the event and then experience problems or simply be disappointed in the event and feel cheated. Some would leave in silent annoyance or anger. Some would complain loudly. Some would demand a refund. Some would be nice about it and ask for a refund and wish the host better luck in future events. Some would complain to anyone who would listen about so-and-so's horrid event and slowly whittle away at the hosts reputation when, quite honestly, the host may or may not have been fully responsible for the situation. (As if we as hosts can control the servers!)

We debated this for MONTHS at There. We tried it. It failed. Sadly, we didn't even have tip jars in There. At least we have those here in SL!

So, will I pay to enter an event? No.

Will I leave a tip at the end of an event or when I leave if I enjoyed myself? Yes.
Rick Langdon
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Join date: 27 Sep 2004
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01-12-2005 06:57
I voted yes....but of course there are conditions, some of which ahve no doubt been touched on...

It would depend on the club , there are some I won't even set foot in.
It would depend on the event. If you can't come up with something novel and enticing don't ask me to attend.
It would depend on the time. This always matters, time of the event and duration.
Last but not least....and this is a pet peeve...it would depend on the stream.
Inez Angelus
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Join date: 11 Nov 2004
Posts: 129
01-12-2005 07:00
From: Anjelle Lumiere
I hate to say it, but no. I won't pay to attend an event.

Am I cheap? Prolly (cause I AIN'T rich), but that isn't the reason. LOL!

More often than not, when I venture into a club I am faced with various issues such as lag, bogus hosts/events, rude hormones in g-strings, etc. Or, I simply get there and find I really don't care for the atmosphere. The music may be set to something I dislike. There may be a lot of inside jokes going on that I don't get. There may be any number of things that simply make me not wish to remain. Now, I am not complaining. It is just a human fact. Thing is, who is to know these issues will come into play until after we are forced to pay the entry fee? Not me. I'm certainly not psychic.

We were encouraged and pushed at There to charge for events. We ran into the very same issues. Basically, people would pay to enter the event and then experience problems or simply be disappointed in the event and feel cheated. Some would leave in silent annoyance or anger. Some would complain loudly. Some would demand a refund. Some would be nice about it and ask for a refund and wish the host better luck in future events. Some would complain to anyone who would listen about so-and-so's horrid event and slowly whittle away at the hosts reputation when, quite honestly, the host may or may not have been fully responsible for the situation. (As if we as hosts can control the servers!)

We debated this for MONTHS at There. We tried it. It failed. Sadly, we didn't even have tip jars in There. At least we have those here in SL!

So, will I pay to enter an event? No.

Will I leave a tip at the end of an event or when I leave if I enjoyed myself? Yes.




Hey Anj :)


I ran into the exact same problem when bartending/running the door at bar events IRL.

At least 50% of people will try and talk their way out of paying a cover. "Oh, just let me check it out quick" - "I'm just looking for someone" - "I don't know if I'll like the band or not" - "If I stay I'll come back and pay you."

I did that approximately twice - and then had to chase people down to get their door cover when they were hanging with their friends for an hour boozing it up.

I completely understand people's reluctance to pay a cover charge for something you may end up not being interested in. And I know you to be an honorable soul when it comes to tipping your host or hostess :) but unfortunately there are a lot more that either don't think about it or have no intention of voluntarelly giving up their money - same as in RL. Hence, the cover charge to make sure the band gets paid and the bills are covered. Even more so in SL, since there's no overpriced drinks to make up the difference.

Why not have clubs have one or two nights a week where they have a no charge event - to get people in the door and checking out the atmosphere and the people, which is the real draw to any club? If people know what they're in for, they will be more likely to pay to attend future events.
Alby Yellowknife
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Join date: 5 Jun 2004
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01-12-2005 07:00
From: Heather Nyak
Hi i was just wondering if you would pay 50L to be at an event if the Prize money was 70% of the takings 20% to the host and 10% to the Owner of the Club.


E.G 20 people attend an event at 50L per person. So thats 700 prize 200 for the host and 100 for the owner.



Sounds good to me... The number of people who voted Yes right now just about equal the number of members in your example.

So screw the NaySayers and run with it Heather..
Heather Nyak
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Join date: 27 Nov 2004
Posts: 184
01-12-2005 07:04
From: Anjelle Lumiere
I hate to say it, but no. I won't pay to attend an event.

Am I cheap? Prolly (cause I AIN'T rich), but that isn't the reason. LOL!

More often than not, when I venture into a club I am faced with various issues such as lag, bogus hosts/events, rude hormones in g-strings, etc. Or, I simply get there and find I really don't care for the atmosphere. The music may be set to something I dislike. There may be a lot of inside jokes going on that I don't get. There may be any number of things that simply make me not wish to remain. Now, I am not complaining. It is just a human fact. Thing is, who is to know these issues will come into play until after we are forced to pay the entry fee? Not me. I'm certainly not psychic.

We were encouraged and pushed at There to charge for events. We ran into the very same issues. Basically, people would pay to enter the event and then experience problems or simply be disappointed in the event and feel cheated. Some would leave in silent annoyance or anger. Some would complain loudly. Some would demand a refund. Some would be nice about it and ask for a refund and wish the host better luck in future events. Some would complain to anyone who would listen about so-and-so's horrid event and slowly whittle away at the hosts reputation when, quite honestly, the host may or may not have been fully responsible for the situation. (As if we as hosts can control the servers!)

We debated this for MONTHS at There. We tried it. It failed. Sadly, we didn't even have tip jars in There. At least we have those here in SL!

So, will I pay to enter an event? No.

Will I leave a tip at the end of an event or when I leave if I enjoyed myself? Yes.



ok then, what if you got charged after 10min or so of being there so you could decide if you liked it would you pay then??
Kyrah Abattoir
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01-12-2005 07:10
i think there is some high quality places in sl that would just deserve to make theyr entrance paid, 50L$ could be a bit expensive but around 10-30 L$ sound good

not so bad, considering it will keep griefers outside dont you think?
it would allow some clubs to do carefully prepared events, offering better services if having to rely less on dwell

yes i believe its a good idea
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Alby Yellowknife
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01-12-2005 07:15
From: Heather Nyak
ok then, what if you got charged after 10min or so of being there so you could decide if you liked it would you pay then??



Well, that opens up the ability to cheat the system. Just come for 9.30/mins, leave, and them come back.

I like your example and right now 21 people agree. So you can run with your original numbers and make it a Win-Win for everybody.
Heather Nyak
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01-12-2005 07:24
From: Alby Yellowknife
Well, that opens up the ability to cheat the system. Just come for 9.30/mins, leave, and them come back.

I like your example and right now 21 people agree. So you can run with your original numbers and make it a Win-Win for everybody.


Maybe a system where it adds your time up so if you come for 9.30mins and leave you can only come back for 30sec b4 you have to pay. Dunno if this is actually possible.
Nexus Nash
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01-12-2005 07:25
I don't go to clubs first of all... why... most are total crap, too much lag, nothing actually goes on other then escorts.

HOWEVER I have been to Gravity Club, not to club but to appreciate the great work that is found there! Also it actually helped me pick up a few techinques that I have never thought of!
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Heather Nyak
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01-12-2005 07:30
From: Nexus Nash
I don't go to clubs first of all... why... most are total crap, too much lag, nothing actually goes on other then escorts.

HOWEVER I have been to Gravity Club, not to club but to appreciate the great work that is found there! Also it actually helped me pick up a few techinques that I have never thought of!



I i don't just mean clubs but events on a whole.

*starting to think i should of thought b4 i did the poll * :)
Blake Rockwell
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01-12-2005 07:31
From: Shadow Weaver
Thats what cover charge in a RL club does and it also ensures that the "entertainment" is paid for as well. Ie the dancers and such are supplimented from what they get paid in tips.

Shadow


Lets say the $500L Stipend is $500 US for an average person a week. Would you pay $50.00 US Dollars to get into a Club? I don't think so, maybe $5 or $10 at the most US dollars, yes. The question is, without people consuming and buying beverages is it going to be enough to fund Staff as well as Prize Money? I think not.
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Heather Nyak
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01-12-2005 07:36
From: Blake Rockwell
Lets say the $500L Stipend is $500 US for an average person a week. Would you pay $50.00 US Dollars to get into a Club? I don't think so, maybe $5 or $10 at the most US dollars yes. The question is, without people consuming and buying beverages is it going to be enough to fund Staff as well as Prize Money? I think not.


In a RL Club you don't get a chance of 1/20 of winning $700

Would you pay to enter an event, like a building or Clothing Design Event??
Inez Angelus
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01-12-2005 07:50
From: Heather Nyak
In a RL Club you don't get a chance of 1/20 of winning $700

Would you pay to enter an event, like a building or Clothing Design Event??



Sure, as long as the proceeds were being distributed in the form of prizes for a contest - or if there was obviously a lot of work and paid staff involved, then the admittance fee would go towards that.

I don't see anything wrong with paying a nominal amount for admittance into an event I'm interested in, be it a club or a contest.

From: Blake Rockwell
Lets say the $500L Stipend is $500 US for an average person a week. Would you pay $50.00 US Dollars to get into a Club?


People do it ALL THE TIME Blake. Between cover charge (anywhere between $3 and $50 to see a band, depending on popularity), taxi, and drinks, that's EASILY $50. Probably closer to $100. Back in my party days I could drop $80 at the bar and that wasn't counting band nights, and I made a hell of a lot less than I do now.

If you can't afford it, either don't go (which is what I ended up doing) or find a way to afford it if its that important to you. If club owners can't get enough people to show up, either lower the admittance fee or create better events that more people will want to pay for.
katykiwi Moonflower
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01-12-2005 07:52
I would pay if it was a fun event (agree with Anshe on that,) AND not rigged. I have seen so many contests where the host and/or his friend are judges, and the prize money is predetermined to go to another friend. Winners at club contests where voting is involved seem to be escorts, so I also would not pay to be part of a contest competing against cyber sex sluts where their johns are doing the voting. :D
Malana Spencer
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01-12-2005 08:00
From: Heather Nyak
Hi i was just wondering if you would pay 50L to be at an event if the Prize money was 70% of the takings 20% to the host and 10% to the Owner of the Club.


E.G 20 people attend an event at 50L per person. So thats 700 prize 200 for the host and 100 for the owner.



Newp. I think $50 L is way too much to spend. & at least 80% should go to the prize IMO.

Let me add however, that what I am willing to pay to attend an event would depend upon how great I thought it was. So while I may not pay $50 L for a club event I might be willing to for something else.
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