eighty-six the weapon code

Darn it, I gotta put down my crack pipe, lol



But do you need a gun is SL? Really, do you need a gun in SL? As for the fun part, sure, I guess there is some pleasure in shooting a gun in a responsible manner, but is the point about You having your fun, or for the community as a whole?



Yes, I have a gun. I'll admit it. Infact, I have several guns in my inventory. But you seem to have ignored one of my points, many people inside our little metaverse seem to resort to violence before discussion. It appears to be that in this day and age of SL, individuals choose the gun before the word.

One of my examples is infact a situation where one person inconvienced by another, so one short the other, and it escilated from there. Then a "wanna-be" griefer in the crowd chose to get into it to. As a side note, did I mention that I never once shot said idgit in the crowd who chose me as their target? No. Why would I need to? And furthermore, note, I only identify ONE griefer here.




Never said there was anything wrong with gun games. Gun games, fine, but what is the flip side? I would like to know how many CS reports go in for shootings per day. I would like to know how many more people will take a pot shot at me in the next month with a push gun. I would like to know how many more squables will result in gun fights and people getting suspended. Now lets compare the outcomes and judge based on the benefits (number of gun games played per day) versus the downfalls (griefing, suspensions)...



I'll take your word on it as I didn't read those posts



You seem to have selectively ignore many of my points. I have indicated this, yes, but I have also shown they are the tools of griefers and goofballs as well. While the original intention was that they were for fun, the infact have more transformed into the tool for two things, griefing, and a questionably better form of dispute resolution.

Furthermore, I shall put the question into reverse, why should people wanting guns enforce their way of playing SL onto me? Nice try, but you demonstrated the fine art of the moot point.



You made no sense there Kris. Did you steal my crack pipe?

I think the best solution for elevators (and other devices such as Salkin's circus cannon) is:

- Make the elevator so you right click and sit on it, but it animates you in the standing position.

- Also allow an object to push you if you were sitting on it recently (within, say, 2 seconds).

The only downside to disallowing pushes is that some people could abuse this to block doorways or physical elevators. So maybe it would be best to allow pushes in safe areas, but limit the speed or distance which you can be pushed.

And of course in unsafe areas, anything goes as per usual.

Trimda, as a precursor, pls excuse the following exaggeration but I use it to make a point. Your statement confounds me. What if I hated avatars with wings... everywhere I went where I saw avatars with wings made me steaming mad. Can I then say that we should ban wings because those users are "enforcing their way of playing SL onto me?"

Now, I KNOW there's a difference between this example and getting push-shot, but I would rather err on the side of maximum freedoms. I don't disagree with many of your points, but it still isn't enough to make me want to see legislation from on-high. There will always be people doing annoying things in one form or another; heck, after reading this post, you may think ME annoying; the only thing to do is lock em out, wait em out, or move yourself to a new location.

With griefers, its the drama, attention and reaction they want. Patience is incredibly boring.

*skipped reading four pages of bad arguments, sorry*

uh, anyone stop to think there isn't any "weapon code"? there's no llShootSomebody() or llRezBigBadWeapon(). if you're talking guns it's usually just plain old innocent llRezObject(). yeah, let's totally get rid of that.

oops, there's also swords and baseball bats and such. i'm not an expert in making those but the ones i've seen use llSensor. ditch it. there's no nice use for that either. and timers. and the control event. better ask some awesome scripters about all the other ways to make weapons i don't even know about so you can get rid of those. too bad they have a thousand other uses but at least we'll be rid of all the big bad evil toy guns we're so afraid of.

Few Tips For Dealing With Horrible Life-Ending Gun Attacks
1. don't go to damage enabled land if you don't want to be damaged.
2. if you get shot anyway, calmly report the person like an adult would.
3. kneel and thank the gods you're not a crybaby.
4. play a single player game so you don't have to worry about other people being mean. i recommend this one.

Yeah. It was pointed out in the four pages of bad arguments you skipped. Several times.

Ok this discussion is ridiculous. I can make a prim that does everything a seburo can do (that's a scripting ability I'm have in my dreams). It doesn't look like a gun. Hell I could make it alpha and NO one would see it. I use my Seburo's to play once in a while, but you know the best way to stop a griefer at an event? Blast em with your Seburo Push bullets!

I have also been making very deadly swords since I began SL. I even made a security system that will blast you 3 sims away just because you came to close! In the old days we could ATTACH push scripts! You think there are TOS violations now lol

My point is that discussions of this type are censorship discussions that I hope to Christ will never win.

HOWEVER

Coming up with viable alternatives is a worthwhile discussion! PERMISSION_PUSH is so far the only reasonable idea I have see suggested. If we are only talking about fixing a griefer problem, this is probably the best solution. If you are trying to tout gun control or weapon control in SL, feel free to put a single prim sign anywhere you have land that says you don't support it. Freedom of speech is welcome! So quit trying to take mine away!

EDIT for grammar

Perhaps there could be three different categories of push...one could be a normal push, which is allowed to affect avatars only in relatively small ways - IE, the MegaTower elevators, small "fun" mallets or something, etc. Another could be a weapons-specific push that could be ignored in safe zones - another low-power or even high-power push used ONLY in unsafe zones. Finally, there could be a controlled high-power push with limited uses - for instance, it can only be used on non-weapon objects. The trouble with the last push is that it'd need to scan for use in a weapon object, and that could use a LOT of processing power and sim speed.

But perhaps having different push categories might help. On the other hand, it would also render many weapons completely useless, not just the normal push guns used by griefers, but also Seburo push bullets and what not.

It's a difficult balancing act to say the least. But I don't think weapons CAN be banned outright, anyway - we've already had them around for too long, and people can be quite fond of their weapons.

Of course, there's also the method of changing weapons to not use objects...recently, a developer in SL has been creating special SL Dogfighters - aerial combat planes basically - that have very useful guns with no rezzed objects whatsoever, so they can be used in no-rez zones. Perhaps making a transition to THAT sort of a weapons system would help a lot, although it WOULD require some changes to the damage code to allow for it...or else, some special damage-sensitive attachments that will transfer damage from special weapons onto users, with sensible damage limits - from 1% to maybe as high as 80% damage, or something like that. None of this "instakill" stuff...it's a little tiresome to find paintball guns that can kill you with one shot. x_x

Perfect system has no users

As to the topic, there is no way of removing weapons without crippling LSL. It's better that the combat system in SL is crappy then to remove it and have people *exclusively* playing with griefer grade weapons.

Exactly. Was just gonna say this.

AND, even if you did cripple LSL to remove push, etc, griefers would just use particle bombs to lag the hell out of you... or script bombs that lag the server to a crawl... or... etc etc etc

For short and sweet answer see attached image.

Too late ...

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Banning guns. An interesting idea. I am certain that, just like in RL, if something is outlawed people will cease using it / doing it. Hey, that gives me an idea ... why not hit it at the root of the problem and make griefing against the TOS?! That way, once guns are banned, we wont have to worry about griefers using alternate methods.

(And in RL we can nip the violence problem in the bud by outlawing murder & assault! That should stop the problem).

-AP

I concur! Ban griefing! Why do we let these people continue to ruin our SL experience. We should make a law against that so that SL will finally turn into the idyllic paradise we all want it to be.