Homosexual to head up RNC

Billy.. let's play around with this issue of self-respect for a second. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it, you are a Christian. And, as such, I also assume you're proud to be a Christian. Again, correct me if I'm wrong.

How would you feel, Billy, if a fellow Christian that was holding a prominent public position evaded, and continued to evade the question of 1) thier stand on religion, and 2) thier religious identity?

For me, that person would lack self-respect.. and that would be shown in thier lack of standing up and being proud to say "I'm a Christian".

I know it's comparing oranges and apples.. but you get my drift.

I still think he lacks self-respect. Further, he *could* be an excellent role model for gay youth. Give them something to hope for and a goal to reach instead of being a bar fly.

I invite you to reread this thread. I don't hate all republicans. Just the radical christian right.

You are ignorant by your own admission.

You are also a hateful racist bigot.

Wow, this thread really degraded while I was away. This is starting to remind me of the infamous Alby manifestos, though in this case, the religious contingent seems to be taking the higher road.

If nothing else, this thread is exemplary of the "great cultural divide" in our nation. I have feet on both sides of the fence, Billy. As noted in past threads, I have a Christian affiliation that dates back nearly 30 years. And, I'm gay. You might call me an idealogical mulatto. It's kinda like being a political indepenedent: Neither side claims me as its own.

Extremism takes many forms, and the neo-con movement that has been the focus of this thread is but one example. Rabid gay activists would be another. We are never going to come to complete agreement, so we need a Gandhi to help us find our lowest common denominators. Any takers?

At minimum, we share a common humanity. From that, we can deduce a set of common needs, values and concerns. It might surprise us to find out that we're all only human, after all.

No, Billy, the issue is that he is HIDING his orientation, instead of taking a cue from many other public figures and setting the record straight. That's the problem.

Why is it anyone elses business in the first place? That's what I want to know.

"When I see an American flag flying, it's a joke." -- Robert Altman

"W)hen Communist U.S.S.R. was a superpower, the world was better off. The right-wing media is trying to marginalize the peace movement." -- Janeane Garofalo

"Have we gone to war yet? We f****** deserve to get bombed. Bring it on."

"Let's get rid of all the economic (expletive) this country represents! Bring it on, I hope the Muslims win!" -- Chrissie Hynde of The Pretenders

"T)he passengers were scaredy-cats because they were mostly white. If the passengers had included black men those killers, with their puny bodies and unimpressive small knives, would have been crushed by the dudes." -- Michael Moore on Flight 93

"I think that people like the Howard Sterns, the Bill O'Reillys and to a lesser degree the bin Ladens of the world are making a horrible contribution." -- Sean Penn

"We have been the cowards, lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That's cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it's not cowardly." -- Bill Maher, Politically Incorrect

(Baraka on 9/11) "Well, here's the point. My intention was to show that not only did Israel know, because Israel -- we're talking about 9/11 -- not only did Israel know, but the United States knew. Bush and company..." -- Amiri Baraka

"You're saying that Israel and the United States knew..." -- Connie Chung

"And Germany. -- Amiri Baraka

"...that these attacks were going to occur?" -- Connie Chung

"And Germany and France and Russia and England. And this is confirmed." -- Amiri Baraka

"Well, he (Bush) might as well have been bombing Denmark. Denmark had nothing to do with 9/11. And neither did Afghanistan, at least the Afghanis didn't." -- Gore Vidal in the LA Weekly

"There's an old saying. In the days of slavery, there were those slaves who lived on the plantation and were those slaves that lived in the house. You got the privilege of living in the house if you served the master... exactly the way the master intended to have you serve him.
"Colin Powell's committed to come into the house of the master. When Colin Powell dares to suggest something other than what the master wants to hear, he will be turned back out to pasture." -- Harry Belafonte on Colin Powell.

"If I were President, Howard Stern would get kicked out of the country -- and Roman Polanski would be allowed back in!"

So how does "President Madonna" justify ejecting Citizen Stern for exercising his constitutional right to free speech -- but welcoming a foreigner who was 44 when convicted of raping a 13-year-old American child he plied with drugs and booze? She says it's

"because artists are allowed to make mistakes and have unconventional ideas . . . !" --- Madonna

"I would think that if you understood what Communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees, that we would someday become communists." – Jane Fonda, Michigan State University, 1970

"Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country."
- Mayor Marion Barry

Can a bank robber with a concealed gun who never mentions or insinuates having one, but who displays it inadvertently, be convicted of armed bank robbery? We believe the answer is no... - Judge Richard Clifton, 9th Circus Court

From Front Page Magazine:
…Stray from the designated minority path and you get what Condi Rice is getting now.

"I am Howard Dean, and I'm here to represent the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party." -- Howard Dean

"The last time I checked, the Constitution said, 'of the people, by the people and for the people.' That's what the Declaration of Independence says." - Bill Clinton

Hey Bill, this is from the Gettysburg Address, not the Constitution.

"You know the one thing that's wrong with this country? Everyone gets a chance to have their fair say." - Bill Clinton

"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans" - Bill Clinton

Interesting --what was dumb ass about those quotes? I thought them all quite perceptive.

Mammogram...sonogram...honey graham...
At an event in Las Vegas on Monday, 09/1800, Gore declared potential breast cancer victims faced "a long waiting line before they could get a biopsy or, uh, or a uh, another kind of, what am I looking for, a sonogram or...." People in the crowd shouted "mammogram."
(Source: Fox News 09/18/00; MSNBC 09/21/00 - The News with Brian Williams)
"Had that happened to Bush the news media would have used it to further the theme that the Texas Governor has a troubled relationship with the English language." - Brian Williams 09/21/00

Equal...if not more so?
"When my sister and I were growing up," Mr. Gore told a small audience made up mostly of women, "there was never any doubt in our minds that men and women were equal, if not more so."
(Source: NY Times, 08/12/00)
Equal - if not more so? More so what? More "equal"? Who is more so? If two things are equal, what is the "more so" for?

Execute a pregnant woman? Uhh... I don't know
On July 16, 2000 during a "Meet the Press" interview, Gore was asked if he would be in favor of postponing the execution of a pregnant woman. His hesitant response was "I'd have to think about it".
Apparently not prepared for this curve ball of a question, Gore must have been so conscientious about upsetting his pro-choice constituency that he couldn't even give the answer that was obvious to every member of the House which in uncharacteristically unanimous fashion passed legislation shortly after this interview to prohibit such a practice.

RUSSERT: Right now there's legislation which says that a woman on death row, if she's pregnant, she should not be executed. Do you support that?
GORE: I don't what you're talking about.
RUSSERT: It's a federal statue on the books that if a woman is pregnant and she's on death row, she should not be executed.
GORE: Well, I don't know what the circumstances would be in that situation. I would--you know, it's an interesting fact situation. I'd want to think (OFF-MIKE).
The full transcript is available here.

Let's play "Insult the Host"
Gore sometimes shows publicly that he lacks Clinton's finesse. Take a reception in Los Angeles last month. It was Gore's moment to shine before donors who ponied up $2.8 million. But he wound up egg-faced when he compared electing a Republican as president to rejecting an Oscar-winning team in favor of the producers of the Hollywood clunker ''Howard the Duck.'' One of the evening's hosts, Jeffrey Katzenberg, was a driving force behind ''Howard the Duck.'' The crowd tittered.
(Source: USA Today, May 8, 2000 )

Gore and the Internet
"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet" Gore said when asked to cite accomplishments that separate him from another Democratic presidential hopeful, former Sen. Bill Bradley of New Jersey, during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN on March 9, 1999.
Gore supported technological advances related to the advancement of the Internet, but to say that HE took the initiative in creating the Internet is a bit much.
(Sources: Transcript http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/18390.html )
(Note: Lots of people seem to enjoy e-mailing me, professing that my information about Gore saying he "invented" the Internet is wrong, that he did support things which helped get the Internet moving, etc. First, I know he never said he "invented" the Internet. Please notice the quote above. Second, saying that he took the initiative in CREATING the Internet is still a funny statement since the Internet was already created and being used (ex: file copying via the UUCP protocol and e-mail) by the time he was elected to Congress. One can't take the "initiative" to "create" something which has already been created.)

He can't use a computer?
Pete Talek, a U.S. Steel employee speaking with Al Gore: "I am a few credits shy of earning a master's degree and could use federal funds to help defray tuition costs because he also is putting a daughter through community college. "I worked with a 14-inch pipe wrench for years and a coal shovel." Adding that he since has added a computer keyboard to the list of tools he can now use. "Gore smiled and admitted that he, too, has trouble turning on a computer - let alone using one."
(Source: "Gore Touts Job-Training Programs at Pittsburgh Factory" Associated Press September 4, 199
Which is it Al? Articles paint you as a techie nerdie type with early, and possibly fairly substantive knowledge of computers and networks, but you can't use a computer? You used Arpanet in the 70's but now have trouble turning on a computer?

A spotted Zebra.
"A zebra does not change its spots." - Al Gore, attacking President George Bush in 1992.
(Sources: The Toronto Sun, 11/19/95; May 13th page of the "365 stupidest things ever said, 1999 Calendar." ALL quotes from this calendar are from a book called "The 700 Stupidest Things Ever Said" The book and calendar are by a brother and sister team called Ross and Kathryn Petras. The original book "The 776 Stupidest things ever said" was printed in March 1993, and the calendar was printed August 1998.)

E plu...what?
"We can build a collective civic space large enough for all our separate identities, that we can be e pluribus unum -- out of one, many." E Pluribus Unum is the motto on the Great Seal of the United States of America, and is Latin for "out of many, one," not "out of one, many."
(Source: January 1994. From a Milwaukee speech to the Institute of World Affairs as quoted in Investor's Business Daily, October 25, 1996.)

A new type of tree!
Al Gore, giving a speech for Yellowstone National Park's 125th Anniversary, Albright Visitors Center, Sunday, August 17, 1997: "When we come here, we see the longpole pine and the Douglas fir."
Sorry Al, it's LODGEpole. There is no such thing as a LONGpole pine.


Gore Loves Courtney Love.
Finding himself talking to the controversial rock star Courtney Love at a Hollywood party, Mr. Gore attempted to charm her by telling her he was a fan. Rather than just accepting the easy compliment, Love cross-examined him.
"He goes 'I'm a really big fan'," said Love. "And I was like 'Yeah, right. Name a song, Al'." The answer came limply back: "I can't name a song, I'm just a really big fan."
Mr. Gore and his wife, Tipper, were the driving forces behind the campaign to make record companies put stickers on records that contained lyrics with sexually explicit content.
(Sources: The [London] Times, 10/1/98; Courtney Love recounted this event on the May 20, 1999 Late Show with David Letterman )

Does this mean he'd fire Clinton?
"My first pledge will be to restore integrity to the White House. And I'll fire anyone who has lied to the American people or the United States Congress."
(Source: Al Gore, in a February 2, 1988 presidential debate)

The earth is upside down!
In the spring 1998 - Gore called The Washington Post's executive editor to tip him off on an ''error'' in the paper. ''I decided I just had to call because you've printed a picture of the Earth upside down on the front page of the paper,'' Gore said.
(Source: Florida Times Union 4/3/98 ) There is no ''up'' in space; only on maps that orient the Earth's surface north and south.
For more examples of Al Gore's vast knowledge of space, take a look at the Florida Times Union article

Is it a train? An eagle?
In a letter, an elderly couple, Mr. and Mrs. Delgadillo explained to Al Gore how much they rely on the government-owned Amtrak trains to visit their children and grandchildren in Chicago and on each coast. The couple reminded the vice president that President Clinton relied on train travel to reach the Democratic National Convention in Chicago. "The train has been our main-stay," the couple states. "Yet your administration is killing our Texas Eagle. This makes us sick."
The Texas Eagle is the Amtrak train that for years has operated between Chicago, St. Louis, Little Rock, Dallas, Fort Worth and San Antonio. But facing a $243 million shortfall in 1997, Amtrak President Thomas Downs recently targeted four Amtrak routes for elimination, including the Texas Eagle service between St. Louis and San Antonio. "What can you do to save our Eagle?" the couple pleaded to the vice president.
Gore responded with: "Dear Mr. and Mrs. Delgadillo, Thank you for your letter regarding the protection of the Texas eagle. I appreciate hearing from you. "I share your view that the urgent problem of species extinction and the conservation of biological diversity should be addressed. The first step in saving any plant or animal from extinction is to become aware of and respect the fragile ecosystems that make up our environment ... "Again, thank you for sharing your thoughts with me. I look forward to working with you for the future of our planet."
It's strange he should talk about the ecosystem and extinction since the Texas Eagle is a TRAIN!
(Sources: reported on Fox News Sunday on December 3, 1996, as well as quoted in the National Review and reported in the 12/6/96 Washington Times "Inside the Beltway" by John McCaslin)

President Bush, who was invited to speak at a symposium of minority journalists, was asked by columnist Mark Trahant, "What do you think tribal sovereignty means in the 21st century and how do we resolve conflicts between tribes and the federal and state governments?"

In true Bush form, the president responded, "Tribal sovereignty means that, it's sovereign. You're a -- you're a -- you have been given sovereignty and you're viewed as a sovereign entity."

Unless it's this quote by Jesse Jackson who was responding to reporter Brent Merrill's question,... "as you saw today at the president's conference, the leader of the free world does not understand tribal sovereignty. What would you do in your estimation, Reverend, what would you do and how would you advise tribes to educate our folks, just exactly what tribal sovereignty is?

Jesse Jackson: "The President explained. You just didn't understand. Sovereignty is sovereignty. You understand? It's like in sovereignity. If you are on a reservation, you have been soverized. Your Ph.D. is in soverbication. You understand? I don't think you understand.

Brent Merrill: "You're right. I didn't understand that.

I so love table tennis. One person whacks the ball with a spin to the right then the other whacks it back with a spin to the left...Amusing for about 3 minutes then you want a bit of substance.

Just a ps even the Dems know Gore is an idiot. I am a libertarian who did not vote for him and stood by my vote for Nader even after Bush won. So are we going to do Eisenhower quotes next cause they would be just as relevant.

That is exactly the point I am trying to make Isis. I totally agree with you. Your boy Neehai is the one who kept spouting off idiotic quotes so I decided to do the same to show how ridiculous it is.

Those were funny Isis. TY for finding them. Just to be fair and impartial, here are 2 hilarious quotes. One from President Bush and the other from the Reverand Jesse Jackson:

It's a shame that you have to list the Internet lie in the list of Al Gore misquotes.

That was a shameful slur on a good man.

http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue5_10/wiggins/

...A pro-family activist from Virginia says voters who put Republicans in office should demand that politicians not employ key personnel who don't hold the conservative views that the party promotes. That activist says the Capitol Hill office of Virginia Senator George Allen is a good example. Senator Allen is head of the Republican Senatorial Committee and was a key figure in the GOP's big victories in November. But Joe Glover, president of the Virginia-based Family Policy Network, says something is very wrong. Glover says homosexual publications have outed at least six members of the senator's office as homosexuals. He says one homosexual activist even went so far as to say Allen had the "gayest office on Capitol Hill." Pro-family conservatives, he says, need to make sure Senator Allen hears their voices. "If someone is going to run the day-to-day operations for the Republican apparatus to elect U.S. senators across the country, then dog-gone-it, it better not be somebody who practices a lifestyle that is diametrically opposed to the evangelical Christian base that delivered George W. Bush and the Republicans in the Senate the victory they saw in November," he says. Glover says Allen's executive director recently resigned because he was outed as a homosexual. [Rusty Pugh]