Likewise, chum. By the by, how IS the forum trolling business nowadays?
doing much better than the forum whining business. you are welcome to go negrate my build skills in dari. it will give you a little edge on someone somewhere.
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Jauani Wu
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12-05-2004 01:37
Likewise, chum. By the by, how IS the forum trolling business nowadays? doing much better than the forum whining business. you are welcome to go negrate my build skills in dari. it will give you a little edge on someone somewhere. _____________________
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Selador Cellardoor
Registered User
Join date: 16 Nov 2003
Posts: 3,082
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12-05-2004 04:53
Trifen,
<<People take neg ratings WAY too seriously.>> <<People with higher negatives should be kept an eye on when dealing with them, esp when it comes to $$.>> Don't you think that your feelings about the issue are a trifle - ambiguous? ![]() _____________________
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Catherine Cotton
Tis Elfin
Join date: 2 Apr 2003
Posts: 3,001
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12-05-2004 10:18
Right, so this is before my morning cereal, so I'll try to make this as coherent as possible. It is a fact that, on paper, negative rates mean diddly squat. In the ratings system the Lidnens have devised (and stuck with despite many complaints), a negative rate is worth the exact same as a positive rate. In practice, however, this is obviously not the case. You don't get many forum posts detailing about who gave whom a triple positive rating, or whether or not so-and-so deserved such a thing, or if getting one and giving back 6 is apropos. Negative rates, however, are another matter. Negative rates are the social equivilent of an atomic bomb. They are permanent, given out with malice, and are impossible to remove. And, like it or not, there are many many many MANY people in Second Life who simply "judge a book by its cover" by seeing your score of negative rates and deciding, right then and there, before you even open your mouth, whether or not to talk to you. This is especially true of newer players, who hear through the grapevine that "folks with neg ratings are not to be trusted". As of today, I have 32 negative ratings. That makes me ranked number 32 out of a possible 17,000. For comparisons sake, if you took that rank to compare directly with positive ratings, I would have 2,934. Now, I can understand, and even accept, that I can be a bit of a jackass, someone who doesn't back down even if I'm "wrong", a general stick in the mud, a stubborn college kid, and a nosey son-of-a-bitch. Most, if not all, of my negative ratings can fall into 4 distinct categories: 1) the Club Elite/Federal incident; 2) The Zombie Incident, 3) griefing newbie players, 4) A certain, possibly mis-named "Angel" and her alternate accounts. I can take the behavior points. I can even take it like a man and accept the appearance points, as sort of a double negative karms for my previous past misdeeds. BUT. I simply cannot, will not, and shall not accept all of the negative rates for my buildings. It's like this. When I log into SL, most of the time I'm doing two things: Building for myself or building for someone else. I don't get out much, I don't positive rate farm, I don't socialize, I don't date, I don't set off firebombs at weddings, I don't grief at the welcoming area. I just sit there, mind my own business, and push prims around. Over the last year or so, I'd like to think I've gotten pretty good at such exercises. At least other people seem to think so. I get the occasional kudos, pat on the back, and whatnot. It's all I get recognition for, which is 100% okay, because that's all I do. I'm not asking for more kudos, in case you were wondering. All I'm asking for from the above-mentioned parties, who KNOW that they triple-negative-rated me, for no other reason than to rate me for my behavior or other ill shenanigans, to give me a Christmas/Chanukah/Festivus/Kwanzaa present and simply remove the negative building rating. My SL "livelyhood" thrives and depends upon my building reputation, not the other two. I don't like having the nagging feeling that people don't want me to build for them because I might be assumed to be a mega-griefer. I don't care if you still think I'm wrong about some months-ago misdeed, but I know for a fact you didn't give me a dink on my building score because I can't build for squat. Therefore, just be the nice guys that you may or not be, and remove my building negative ratings, ONLY IF you triple-negative-rated me. If you truly do not like my buildings, then I'm fine with that too. I just know that most, if not all, of my neg rates in buildings are for other things aside from building. That's all. LF LF I feel for ya just look at my profile for an example of how much I feel for ya That being said I would also like to add that I have recieved bad rating from ppl I have never met. That tells me to disreguard the current rating system all together as its simply poo.Cat _____________________
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Huns Valen
Don't PM me here.
Join date: 3 May 2003
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12-05-2004 15:39
I think the number of negative ratings given by someone can be way more important than how many they have received.
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Alan Palmerstone
Payment Info Used
Join date: 4 Jun 2004
Posts: 659
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12-05-2004 15:57
I think the number of negative ratings given by someone can be way more important than how many they have received. That's a great point. I would think that most folks would hunt down the person who negged them and at least neg back on behavior. I had to hunt down the one who gave me mine, as he popped off as soon as he did it. I am even on given and received. If someone has received more than they have given, I assume they were the victim of one or more of the mass-neg rates that sometimes happen at events. If there is a much larger given than received, I always assume that person is touchy or cranky or crazy. In that case, I move along as quickly as possible. _____________________
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Devlin Gallant
Thought Police
Join date: 18 Jun 2003
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12-06-2004 05:15
Why is is neccesary to retaliate with neg ratings. I have never felt the need to do that. The few negs I have given out were earned.
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Korg Stygian
Curmudgeon Extraordinaire
Join date: 3 Jun 2004
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12-06-2004 05:46
Why is is neccesary to retaliate with neg ratings. I have never felt the need to do that. The few negs I have given out were earned. It's NOT necessary. It IS human nature. Negative ratings represent "pain". Someone else has cause you/a resident pain. Few creatures in the world simply sit quietly and "take" pain without reacting to it. (The only ones I know of are animals used in experiments that have learned that attempting to flee electrical shocks in experimental cages is impossible. They simply curl up/lie down and accept the pain after a while. Truly pathetic... but actually "intelligent" in a way - accepting the inevitable.) So, it is animalistic behavior (of which the human race is strongly related) for anyone to lash out in retaliation when he/she has been caused pain. That's the simple explanation.. Freud's, though more convoluted and a-first-glance more rhetorically complex explanation essentially boils down to the same thing. |
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Devlin Gallant
Thought Police
Join date: 18 Jun 2003
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12-06-2004 06:00
I have never been 'pained' by a neg rating. Curious what they were for if I didn't know. The ones I DID know what they were for amused me actually.
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Shadow Weaver
Ancient
Join date: 13 Jan 2003
Posts: 2,808
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12-06-2004 06:31
I don't neg rate people that can be seen by my avatar profile. I did in the past on a few minor situations but I removed them and admittedly it was childish as it was in the ferver and context of argument at the time. Otherwise I refuse to rate negatively. I figure a Non-Rate speaks just as loud as a full tri fold rate.
Unfortunately the side effect of all this is Negative Ratings do affect a persons money and does not reflect thier true building skills. I feel for you Lordfly. I see people all the time that cannot build for Chit be in the top 10 for building. No offense I kinda consider myself equal to several that build in SL but I don't go round begging for building ratings. I figured my stuff will speak for itself. I will say though I do find your and Starax's stuff intriguing to say the least and humbly bow at the two of your's accomplishments. I have gotten back into building again this past weekend and I had a blast as its been several months since I did build anything. I think for a few weeks I will build and see what I can come up with just for chits n giggles. Meanwhile I hope that those that have negative rated you come back and remove them. Another point of interest and I will close this. Its kind of Ironic that there are several people that havent signed-in in months. I think that a Neg rating should be removed after a time period. Ie a counter set on them that is that person doesnt Log in for a period of 90 days those neg ratings come off as it may have been an alt created just to grief a person. I think this is the quickest and easiest solution cause I am sure LL has a record of who rated who what. If a person has a rating and there is no avatar associated with the rating I say the rating should be removed. Anyway, Thats just my .02$ Shadow _____________________
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Jauani Wu
pancake rabbit
Join date: 7 Apr 2003
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12-06-2004 06:43
i think ratings should be public. at the very least a person should have a way of easily determining who they have rated and who has rated them negatively and positively. the right to rate should come with accountability.
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Blake Rockwell
Fun Businesses
Join date: 31 Oct 2004
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12-06-2004 06:45
Personally I have never given anyone a negative rating. If I have a disagreement with someone..I am not going to retaliate with one. Negative breeds Negative and is a pebble thrown into a Pond. You negative rate one person..then you very well may have all their friends do the same to you. Try your best to avoid burning bridges. I do not believe there should be negative ratings..as anyone can attack you for no reason or just out of spite. It is an unfair Judgement system that can be mis-used and abused. One that can esculate into turmoil and give someone a feeling of dis-interest in participating or keeping an account in SL even though they were never in the wrong but perceived to be.
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Kris Ritter
paradoxical embolism
Join date: 31 Oct 2003
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12-06-2004 06:50
i think ratings should be public. at the very least a person should have a way of easily determining who they have rated and who has rated them negatively and positively. the right to rate should come with accountability. Actually, that may be the simplest solution of all! For those who ratings dont matter to, it isnt going to change a thing. But for those who care whether they have them or people who care about dealing with people who have them, knowing who gave them would certainly give you a more informed view of whether they were likely deserved or not. And out the alts of neg rate griefers, of course As has been already said, often who gave a neg is more telling than who received it. It's valid information and it should be accessible. _____________________
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Aces Spade
Raise you One♠
Join date: 22 Sep 2003
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12-06-2004 06:59
An interesting point, Jai. I've tried multiple times to get a "fair" price, but I have yet to hit on it. Every time I quote my current price, I always get the same "That's it? Boy, that's awfully cheap", but then if I raise my quoted price (in my fliers and whatnot), I don't even get any interested lookers. Better to be cheap, I suppose. Like I said, I wasn't looking for kudos or anything (although thanks just the same), I just don't want those negative build ratings any longer. LF Lordfly created a lovely build for me a few months ago and charged me a fair price i think his building is great_____________________
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Antagonistic Protagonist
Zeta
Join date: 29 Jun 2003
Posts: 467
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12-06-2004 07:35
I dont mind neg ratings.
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Xtopherxaos Ixtab
D- in English
Join date: 7 Oct 2004
Posts: 884
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12-06-2004 08:05
Seems to me that the ratings system is commonly viewed as a three-intensity method for neg rating, instead of a three catagory one. If someone is mildly mad they will single rate you, if they are P.O.ed, they will triple neg you. The whole classification for building or appearence means nothing. They will trip rate you regardless if they have even seen one of your builds...
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Malachi Petunia
Gentle Miscreant
Join date: 21 Sep 2003
Posts: 3,414
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12-06-2004 08:17
I am embarrassed by my attempt to "save the world" through neg rating. On the day that land-bans were introduced and the world had height taxes, flying around and slamming into red bars in at least every sim looked like a bad harbinger.
So I negged about twenty people on Build and sent IMs "speedbumps are bad for SL, please remove land ban and I will un-neg". I got three responses, turned the negs to neutrals or positives depending and completely forgot which land/players I hit with the other 17 .So since 1.{2,3} I've been carrying the uncorrectable albatross. Needless to say, I can't think of the last time I've looked at someone's ratings _____________________
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