Ok, this is my rant of the day.
But I think if a new user comes around with new ideas and brimming with enthusiasm and you reply with nothing but sarcasm and vitriol, you should be banned from the forums.
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blaze Spinnaker
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12-29-2004 09:32
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Lo Jacobs
Awesome Possum
Join date: 28 May 2004
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12-29-2004 09:34
Hmm what brought that on?
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splat1 Edison
Registerd Nut
Join date: 6 Sep 2004
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12-29-2004 09:35
Is that not allready in the forum TOS ?
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Dallas Moreau
Registered User
Join date: 7 Dec 2004
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12-29-2004 09:51
I know what brought that on. I've seen several instances of that kind of behavior here in the forums over the last couple of days: established players with attitudes toward enthusiastic newbies because the newbies had ideas that someone else had already done.
How were the newbies supposed to know? Worth noting, however, that in each case another established player warmly complimented the newbie and encouraged him/her to keep thinking and trying. No, I wasn't one of the newbies. _____________________
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splat1 Edison
Registerd Nut
Join date: 6 Sep 2004
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12-29-2004 09:55
You get your friendly and your not so friendly in all communitys, I must admit though a lot of people have a been a little short with newbies (myself included :/) catch them on a better day and they are nice
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katykiwi Moonflower
Esquirette
Join date: 5 Dec 2003
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12-29-2004 10:03
I know what brought that on. I've seen several instances of that kind of behavior here in the forums over the last couple of days: established players with attitudes toward enthusiastic newbies because the newbies had ideas that someone else had already done. |
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Merwan Marker
Booring...
Join date: 28 Jan 2004
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12-29-2004 10:18
It's not only with newbies either - there been varying degrees of drama - but i've also seen it worse.
Sometime there is too much miss-information that gets bandied about as though it was factual and it will sometimes take on a life of it's own. Dynamics of diss-info.  _____________________
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Paolo Portocarrero
Puritanical Hedonist
Join date: 28 Apr 2004
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12-29-2004 10:20
Let's face it. Avatars and forum trolls are controlled by human beings. I sometimes wonder why we are surprised by human manifestations in game or in forum. You could neg rate the offending parties for their lack of forum decorum (hey! I made a funny!), but more often than not, that will just bring you unwanted grief.
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Artillo Fredericks
Friendly Orange Demon
Join date: 1 Jun 2004
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12-29-2004 10:26
People who did that in newbie areas back in Activeworlds would be bot-ejected from the area after being warned.
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Ravi Zuma
Я Вас не помню
Join date: 21 Jun 2004
Posts: 148
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12-29-2004 10:29
It's not just the forums newbies are treated with a bit of .......let me call it "demeaning" behavior. While it is true that there are many helpful and encouraging people in the game itself (thank you, youkowwhoyouare), my first few weeks on SL were rather sad. I had to buy 3 pieces of land before I found one that would allow me to try my poor building talents without my neighbors wanting to a) instantly buy me out b) donate my land to their cause and c) stand around laughing at my feeble attempts to line up two walls.
After 2 weeks I was ready to quit. Then I stumbled onto someone's fantasy build and thankfully the owner called me over..... Be gentle to newbies, that's all I ask. |
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Newfie Pendragon
Crusty and proud of it
Join date: 19 Dec 2003
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12-29-2004 10:31
People who did that in newbie areas back in Activeworlds would be bot-ejected from the area after being warned. In Activeworlds, newbies were kicked around more than a FIFA regulation soccerball. I remember my time in Activewords, 90% of it was spend trying to find places where I was actually able to stay for more than 5 minutes. The only places I ever found that didn't frown upon any newbie was the Activeworlds-controlled regions. The private regions now, was a completely different matter - xenophobia and suspicion galore. _____________________
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Camille Serpentine
Eater of the Dead
Join date: 6 Oct 2003
Posts: 1,236
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12-29-2004 10:54
Could people also be more curt with new players on the forums because....
- the new person didn't bother to try searching the forums first for useful information - there are players with several alts - some posters don't bother to ask nicely, but demand people help them |
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Kate Hanks
AFK Queen
Join date: 17 Oct 2003
Posts: 337
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12-29-2004 10:55
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I think the phrase of the day should be "forum decorum"! That just made me giggle.  /end hijack _____________________
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Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
Join date: 4 Sep 2003
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12-29-2004 11:05
I know what brought that on. I've seen several instances of that kind of behavior here in the forums over the last couple of days: established players with attitudes toward enthusiastic newbies because the newbies had ideas that someone else had already done. Also worth noting, that even *if* it's been done before, a lot of times, it is possible for it to be done better. |
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Oz Spade
ReadsNoPostLongerThanHand
Join date: 23 Sep 2003
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12-29-2004 11:19
What a great idea this is.
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Clint Cartier
Registered User
Join date: 16 Apr 2003
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12-29-2004 11:19
OHH OHH OHH
I know why they do that. They have no RL and so in between retaping their glasses that were broke again when they ran into the door on the way to their special ed class, they come in here and belittle new players because they think that they are soo cool for being in SL longer then the new guy. I'm not a doctor. But I play one on TV. |
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Maeve Morgan
ZOMG Resmod!
Join date: 2 Apr 2004
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12-29-2004 11:22
OHH OHH OHH I know why they do that. They have no RL and so in between retaping their glasses that were broke again when they ran into the door on the way to their special ed class, they come in here and belittle new players because they think that they are soo cool for being in SL longer then the new guy. I'm not a doctor. But I play one on TV. Are you high? or just 12? |
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Merwan Marker
Booring...
Join date: 28 Jan 2004
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12-29-2004 11:23
/hijack I think the phrase of the day should be "forum decorum"! That just made me giggle. /end hijack Heheh i like it Kate!  _____________________
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David Valentino
Nicely Wicked
Join date: 1 Jan 2004
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12-29-2004 11:27
OHH OHH OHH I know why they do that. They have no RL and so in between retaping their glasses that were broke again when they ran into the door on the way to their special ed class, they come in here and belittle new players because they think that they are soo cool for being in SL longer then the new guy. I'm not a doctor. But I play one on TV. Are you putting down people that have broken or taped glasses and those requiring special education?? *attempts to drum up more forum drama* Actually, some newbs do come into the forums and start off on a rude foot, and others have the bad luck to get some of the more well known grumpy forum posters responding to them, but for the most part I see folks try to be helpful. _____________________
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katykiwi Moonflower
Esquirette
Join date: 5 Dec 2003
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12-29-2004 11:27
Sometime there is too much miss-information that gets bandied about as though it was factual and it will sometimes take on a life of it's own. |
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Clint Cartier
Registered User
Join date: 16 Apr 2003
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12-29-2004 11:39
Are you putting down people that have broken or taped glasses and those requiring special education?? *attempts to drum up more forum drama* Actually, some newbs do come into the forums and start off on a rude foot, and others have the bad luck to get some of the more well known grumpy forum posters responding to them, but for the most part I see folks try to be helpful. No I was discribing the people who dog other people. |
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Ryntha Suavage
Kitten
Join date: 4 Jul 2004
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12-29-2004 11:42
Some people assume you haven't looked up information to begin with. Which I find rude. Most people post for help or ideas on forums as a last resort - that is most. So how does that warrant rude replies to everyone? I've found that there are several people who troll the forums for people asking for help and instantly shoot them down. However, there are great and helpful responses from others - thankfully. I just don't see the point of being a complete jerk to someone trying to learn about this game.
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Torley Linden
Enlightenment!
Join date: 15 Sep 2004
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12-29-2004 12:00
Also consider that... some people would like to look up information but haven't yet. I'm actually surprised how many newcomers to SL that I've met inworld do NOT know:
-where the Forums are -what New World Notes is -where to access their account history I thought this information, for me, easy enough to find, and I'm not sure what would further facilitate access to these resources, but...... I believe QUICK LINKS to those places from within SL's Help menu would be a great idea! (After all, doesn't Script Help... launch an HTML document?) _____________________
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blaze Spinnaker
1/2 Serious
Join date: 12 Aug 2004
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12-29-2004 12:03
I'm pretty sure the forums are hidden away a bit by LL for various reasons.
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"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |
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Salazar Jack
Nova Albion native
Join date: 12 Feb 2004
Posts: 1,105
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12-29-2004 12:32
Also consider that... some people would like to look up information but haven't yet. I'm actually surprised how many newcomers to SL that I've met inworld do NOT know: -where the Forums are -what New World Notes is -where to access their account history I thought this information, for me, easy enough to find, and I'm not sure what would further facilitate access to these resources, but...... I believe QUICK LINKS to those places from within SL's Help menu would be a great idea! (After all, doesn't Script Help... launch an HTML document?) Awesome suggestion! _____________________
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