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02-18-2005 05:19
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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02-18-2005 06:00
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Siggy Romulus
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Join date: 22 Sep 2003
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02-18-2005 06:36
For christsake someone pretend to agree with him before he posts thread #4189 titled : In case you missed it - I'm still bankrupt, disabled, and pissed about ratings..
For crap sake I got the picture the last 4188 threads - so abide by your own argument - our views won't change either, even after you've flogged this horses skeletal remains to dust... All you gonna do is further alienate yourself - agree to disagree and get over it. Actually all this has changed my opinion somewhat - In that I no longer give a flying f*ck at a rolling doughnut over how bad you got it in SL or RL.. Siggy. _____________________
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Moopf Murray
Moopfmerising
Join date: 7 Jan 2004
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02-18-2005 07:02
For christsake someone pretend to agree with him before he posts thread #4189 titled : In case you missed it - I'm still bankrupt, disabled, and pissed about ratings.. For crap sake I got the picture the last 4188 threads - so abide by your own argument - our views won't change either, even after you've flogged this horses skeletal remains to dust... All you gonna do is further alienate yourself - agree to disagree and get over it. Actually all this has changed my opinion somewhat - In that I no longer give a flying f*ck at a rolling doughnut over how bad you got it in SL or RL.. Siggy. Yikes Siggy, I think you hit the nail on the head. The thing that's gotten to me is that everyday (it seems) Magnum starts a new thread about it, participates on it a couple of times, everybody else starts answering him and asking questions then he doesn't seem to post on it again answering any of their questions and just ignores it. A new day comes along, and he starts a new thread again going over the same things. I can understand people's frustrations with him, I really can. If nothing else, it's just plain rude. |
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David Valentino
Nicely Wicked
Join date: 1 Jan 2004
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02-18-2005 07:34
Get a fucking clue people. If you don't like the thread, don't read it. Need your mommies to change the channel for you?
He asked what he was doing wrong, and how he could improve. While some posters understood, the rest of you just took another oportunity to show your immaturity and insecurity and lash out. You could have just explained in a calm, decent manner, why his threads were causing you to post attacks. I don't particularly enjoy all of his threads either, but I'm sure as hell not going to attack him for it. I will just choose not to read them if they bother me. (edited) I'll take a real, kind, caring person that is a bit socially awkward, over a smart, arrogant, witty asshole for a friend any day. Mags. Don't feel bad dude. Some folks just constantly need to try and prove to themselves and others how cool and smart they are. It's sort of a handicap in and of itself. So just try and roll with the punches. _____________________
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Ardith Mifflin
Mecha Fiend
Join date: 5 Jun 2004
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02-18-2005 07:47
Get a fucking clue people. If you don't like the thread, don't read it. Need your mommies to change the channel for you? He asked what he was doing wrong, and how he could improve. While some posters understood, the rest of you just took another oportunity to show your immaturity and insecurity and lash out. You could have just explained in a calm, decent manner, why his threads were causing you to post attacks. I don't particularly enjoy all of his threads either, but I'm sure as hell not going to attack him for it. I will just choose not to read them if they bother me. (edited) I'll take a real, kind, caring person that is a bit socially awkward, over a smart, arrogant, witty asshole for a friend any day. Mags. Don't feel bad dude. Some folks just constantly need to try and prove to themselves and others how cool and smart they are. It's sort of a handicap in and of itself. So just try and roll with the punches. Dear Sir, Your post would have geatly benefited from the judicious application of the words fuckstick and asshat. Thank you, A.E. Mifflin |
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David Valentino
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02-18-2005 07:53
Dear Sir, Your post would have geatly benefited from the judicious application of the words fuckstick and asshat. Thank you, A.E. Mifflin Thanks for the advice. I do like the word fuckstick, but asshat is way over used. _____________________
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Moopf Murray
Moopfmerising
Join date: 7 Jan 2004
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02-18-2005 08:15
Get a fucking clue people. If you don't like the thread, don't read it. Need your mommies to change the channel for you? He asked what he was doing wrong, and how he could improve. While some posters understood, the rest of you just took another oportunity to show your immaturity and insecurity and lash out. You could have just explained in a calm, decent manner, why his threads were causing you to post attacks. I don't particularly enjoy all of his threads either, but I'm sure as hell not going to attack him for it. I will just choose not to read them if they bother me. (edited) I'll take a real, kind, caring person that is a bit socially awkward, over a smart, arrogant, witty asshole for a friend any day. Mags. Don't feel bad dude. Some folks just constantly need to try and prove to themselves and others how cool and smart they are. It's sort of a handicap in and of itself. So just try and roll with the punches. If he'd bothered to read the replies on all his previous threads he might of had a clue as to what he was doing wrong, or how he was going about it in the wrong way. Instead, nope, he just moves on and starts another thread, ignoring the responses from before as if the thread never existed. Quite what this has to do with immaturity and insecurity of anybody other than Magnum I don't know. If you'd care to check I've been asking him questions, trying to work out exactly what he's getting at, on several of his threads that he starts and then forgets about - it kinda pisses me off that he then starts more threads about it to be honest as it gets the conversation no further forward, just give him the space to reiterate the same false logic all the time. After a while, if he's just going to ignore the points whilst still issuing his own diatribe then people get narky. Now, with this thread, he's pulling the sympathy card, trying to make out that people are attacking him because they don't like him - I can't remember anybody actually saying that. They may not have liked his ideas, or the way he ignored responses, or the way he just starts thread after thread on the same thing and have a go at him for that, but that's a million miles away from not liking him personally. But I don't believe that anybody is trying to impress anybody else here, as you put it, I think they're just sick of the same things being said by Magnum in thread after thread after thread when he's ignoring what people say anyway. Maybe you don't understand that? It's not like he keeps it to one thread, or his own threads, he's been posting the same stuff on many threads as well. He must like piquing people's interests and then ignoring their responses, I don't know. Personally I'd take somebody who actually answered questions posed by others when they start rolling with an issue over somebody who just walks away and starts a fresh clean thread about the same thing the next day when it's not going their way or they don't want to reply to other people's questions. Sounds like you're misreading that as socially awkwardm but it just seems rude and ignorant to me. Oh and David,(edited) , seeing as you were so liberal with them in your post. |
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David Valentino
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02-18-2005 08:31
If he'd bothered to read the replies on all his previous threads he might of had a clue as to what he was doing wrong, or how he was going about it in the wrong way. Instead, nope, he just moves on and starts another thread, ignoring the responses from before as if the thread never existed. Quite what this has to do with immaturity and insecurity of anybody other than Magnum I don't know. If you'd care to check I've been asking him questions, trying to work out exactly what he's getting at, on several of his threads that he starts and then forgets about - it kinda pisses me off that he then starts more threads about it to be honest as it gets the conversation no further forward, just give him the space to reiterate the same false logic all the time. After a while, if he's just going to ignore the points whilst still issuing his own diatribe then people get narky. Now, with this thread, he's pulling the sympathy card, trying to make out that people are attacking him because they don't like him - I can't remember anybody actually saying that. They may not have liked his ideas, or the way he ignored responses, or the way he just starts thread after thread on the same thing and have a go at him for that, but that's a million miles away from not liking him personally. But I don't believe that anybody is trying to impress anybody else here, as you put it, I think they're just sick of the same things being said by Magnum in thread after thread after thread when he's ignoring what people say anyway. Maybe you don't understand that? It's not like he keeps it to one thread, or his own threads, he's been posting the same stuff on many threads as well. He must like piquing people's interests and then ignoring their responses, I don't know. Personally I'd take somebody who actually answered questions posed by others when they start rolling with an issue over somebody who just walks away and starts a fresh clean thread about the same thing the next day when it's not going their way or they don't want to reply to other people's questions. Sounds like you're misreading that as socially awkwardm but it just seems rude and ignorant to me. Oh and David, (edited) , seeing as you were so liberal with them in your post. Moopf, First off, I didn't name any names or point you out. However, since you replied.. So you are saying you couldn't either just ignore his thread, or actually respond to this thread in a constructive, non-asshole way? He asked what he was doing wrong to piss people off and what he could do better. Was it too tough for you to just calmly and kindly point out what you felt the problem was? Or if he irritates you with his posts, you can't just not read them? He didn't attack you. He didn't call you names or attack your stance. He has overstated his opinion, and perhaps hasn't listened to the other saide of the argument, but at least he wasn't condecending and cruel about it, unlike you and others. You might wanna work on your self-control issues. As far as me being a sanctimonoius prat. If that's what compassionate folks are called these days, I'll happily accept the title. Or maybe I just wanted to lash out to be cool too.. _____________________
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Moopf Murray
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Join date: 7 Jan 2004
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02-18-2005 08:44
Moopf, So you are saying you couldn't either just ignore his thread, or actually respond to this thread in a constructive, non-asshole way? He asked what he was doing wrong to piss people off and what he could do better. Was it too tough for you to just calmly and kindly point out what you felt the problem was? Or if he irritates you with his posts, you can't just not read them? He didn't attack you. He didn't call you names or attack your stance. He has overstated his opinion, and perhaps hasn't listened to the other saide of the argument, but at least he wasn't condecending and cruel about it, unlike you and others. You might wanna work on your self-control issues. As far as me being a sanctimonoius prat. If that's what compassionate folks are called these days, I'll happily accept the title. David, I think the whole reason that he opened this thread was to try and get the sympathy vote - I've seen people say for days on his threads that the fact he doesn't respond and just opens new threads is what's pissing people off. He would of known that already, if he'd bothered to go back and read them. But instead he wants to make this personal, coming on the victim and starting yet another thread. It's never been personal from what I've seen of the responses to him. Nobody's said they don't like him. I'd of kindly pointed out what the problem was on this thread if I hadn't already a couple of times on his other threads - I'm at the point now where I'll be genuinely suprised if he actually comes back, reads this thread and responds meaningfully - or in fact any of his threads which all contain a lot of questions seeking clarification on his point of view. There's nothing wrong with my "self-control" at all, and I'm sure, like your previous post, you're just putting things like that in to try and raise mine and other people's temperatures so we prove you correct in the accusations you've levelled at us, but it appears you maybe haven't followed what's gone on with his threads over the last week or so. I called you sanctamonious as you appear to want to dish out advice yet you're doing a very good impression of not following your own. You have directly attacked both myself and others whilst saying how bad it is, how we're "sad fucks" etc. for doing the same thing. If you wish to take a moral stand take it, don't duck underneath it and do exactly what you're trying to pretend you're higher than at the same time as preaching. |
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Jonquille Noir
Lemon Fresh
Join date: 17 Jan 2004
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02-18-2005 09:21
I've avoided replying to any of your posts up to this point, Magnum, but since you've asked what it is people react to in your posts, I'll try to answer as to what it is that tweaks me about them.
As others have stated previously, you bring up points or questions, and then ignore any counter-points or answers you don't agree with, or that don't fit your scenerio. This is a common enough argument style and isn't by any means limited to you. This usually just means you wanted to state something, and don't really have any desire to discuss it. It doesn't go over well in forums that are centered around discussion, but it's still very popular. The place where you seem to veer off from the others who do this, and the point at which I begin to get highly annoyed with your posts, is that I rarely if ever see you post anything where you don't cast yourself in the role of helpless victim, and seem to relish it. When advice or help is offered, you ignore it, or worsen your claim of victimization to the point where it's ridiculous to even offer you advice at all. (Example: Bankruptcy? In SL?) Your posts don't come across to me as someone wanting to debate anything, or even just to express their opinions on something publically; they come across to me as someone who is desperately soliciting pity, and will do anything neccessary to get it. I'm not a terribly sympathetic person, and I don't coddle perpetual victims who refuse to help themselves. I usually choose not to respond to your posts for this reason. It's my opinion that you aren't looking for genuine responses, only expressions of sympathy because the raindrops falling on your head are so much colder and wetter than the drops falling on the rest of the world. _____________________
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Kathy Yamamoto
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Join date: 1 May 2003
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02-18-2005 09:36
Magnum,
You point is well-taken by those who agree with you. People don’t usually jump in to support a point they think has been presented well in the first place. Opponents will, however, strongly attack a point that they think has been well made. If you have many opponents – especially opponents who have nothing more to contribute but “Shut up already!” and “You’re crazy!” and “You’re too stupid to talk to!” – then this is a good sign that your point makes sense to the sensible. Especially if you frequently meet people who let you know they agree, even if they don’t say it here. Sensible people are often too sensible to step into this muckfest. P.S. Dave, the reason “asshat” is so over used is that there are so many of them. If you keep hearing it over and over, stop and look around at who might be standing nearby ![]() _____________________
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David Valentino
Nicely Wicked
Join date: 1 Jan 2004
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02-18-2005 09:58
P.S. Dave, the reason “asshat” is so over used is that there are so many of them. If you keep hearing it over and over, stop and look around at who might be standing nearby ![]() Ouch..I think.. But if that was a veiled poke at me, I happily embrace it coming from someone who's brain is so very sexy! And actually, my initial post was over the top. I just have this automatic bully/arrogance defense system that goes off without warning. I'm usually a much more mild-mannered and soft spoken individual, and try never to let forum crap get to me one way or the other. _____________________
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David Valentino
Nicely Wicked
Join date: 1 Jan 2004
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02-18-2005 10:00
I've avoided replying to any of your posts up to this point, Magnum, but since you've asked what it is people react to in your posts, I'll try to answer as to what it is that tweaks me about them. As others have stated previously, you bring up points or questions, and then ignore any counter-points or answers you don't agree with, or that don't fit your scenerio. This is a common enough argument style and isn't by any means limited to you. This usually just means you wanted to state something, and don't really have any desire to discuss it. It doesn't go over well in forums that are centered around discussion, but it's still very popular. The place where you seem to veer off from the others who do this, and the point at which I begin to get highly annoyed with your posts, is that I rarely if ever see you post anything where you don't cast yourself in the role of helpless victim, and seem to relish it. When advice or help is offered, you ignore it, or worsen your claim of victimization to the point where it's ridiculous to even offer you advice at all. (Example: Bankruptcy? In SL?) Your posts don't come across to me as someone wanting to debate anything, or even just to express their opinions on something publically; they come across to me as someone who is desperately soliciting pity, and will do anything neccessary to get it. I'm not a terribly sympathetic person, and I don't coddle perpetual victims who refuse to help themselves. I usually choose not to respond to your posts for this reason. It's my opinion that you aren't looking for genuine responses, only expressions of sympathy because the raindrops falling on your head are so much colder and wetter than the drops falling on the rest of the world. Now that is a well written response. *hires Jon to be his preach-speech writer* _____________________
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Kathy Yamamoto
Publisher and Surrealist
Join date: 1 May 2003
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02-18-2005 15:12
Ouch..I think.. But if that was a veiled poke at me, I happily embrace it coming from someone who's brain is so very sexy! And actually, my initial post was over the top. I just have this automatic bully/arrogance defense system that goes off without warning. I'm usually a much more mild-mannered and soft spoken individual, and try never to let forum crap get to me one way or the other. I'm beginning to think it’s my name ![]() Naw. I wasn’t poking at you, Dave. I’d probably say something like “Dave, you really act like an asshat.” Or something like that. I like to say what I mean. Truthfullness means a lot to me. I try to be rather clear when I write. But I seem to have gotten a reputation for double entendre. True, I haven’t really gone out of my way to insist that people stop doing that. Mostly because it gives me so much more effect. I do confess to using the occasionally fuzzy word – not because I really MEAN something extra, but because I don’t mind all that much when other people see what they want to see. That works to my benefit – usually. That would make a VERY interesting ethical discussion someday. Am I responsible for the fears and paranoia of others? How about if I don’t go out of my way to avoid them? What if I actually leave a few loose threads for them to tangle in? Anyway, I meant that you may be in a room full of asshats, if you hear it that often. It’s totally up to you whether you feel comfortable there or not ![]() [Putting on my flame-retardant asshat, since I’m sure someone nearby will see them selves being attacked in this post. ]_____________________
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Jonquille Noir
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02-18-2005 15:18
That would make a VERY interesting ethical discussion someday. Am I responsible for the fears and paranoia of others? How about if I don’t go out of my way to avoid them? What if I actually leave a few loose threads for them to tangle in? My opinion, even though this may not be the 'someday' you were thinking of.. People are only responsible for what they say or imply, not what anyone else infers. _____________________
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Jennyfur Peregrine
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02-18-2005 16:38
Thanks for the advice. I do like the word fuckstick, but asshat is way over used. One has to branch out on the asshat usage ... pehaps by referring to a specific type of hat. ass sombrero ass beret ass helmet ass beanie ass fedora etc. ![]() _____________________
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Techzen Omega
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02-18-2005 19:25
Just got here not sure about all of this but just wanted to pass this on because you sort of mentioned it.
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Devlin Gallant
Thought Police
Join date: 18 Jun 2003
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02-19-2005 01:50
Magnum, I suspect part of the problem is the way you express yourself. Oftentimes your posts come across more as whining than constructive dialouge (to me anyway), and that tends to grate on people's nerves. I think what upsets folks is not WHAT you say, but HOW you say it.
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Siobhan Taylor
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02-19-2005 02:19
One has to branch out on the asshat usage ... pehaps by referring to a specific type of hat. ass sombrero ass beret ass helmet ass beanie ass fedora etc. ![]() I thought an asshat was a specific type, i.e. either of: (a) a hat with ass-ears, or (b) a hat with holes for ass-ears. Of course, a sombrero with those requisites could be cool, but I don't think a beanie or a beret would work too well. _____________________
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Aimee Weber
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Join date: 30 Jan 2004
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02-19-2005 15:33
Magnum, I suspect part of the problem is the way you express yourself. Oftentimes your posts come across more as whining than constructive dialouge (to me anyway), and that tends to grate on people's nerves. I think what upsets folks is not WHAT you say, but HOW you say it. I have avoided Mag-issues but since Devlin said it so well I am gonna give him a "ditto". The best way to address what you believe to be a problem is to use the following format: [Problem] is bad because [well thought out reasoning] and if things continue this way I think things will eventually [hyperbole-free prediction of negative outcome] because [supporting arguement]. SO here is what I propose... [An idea that solves the problem, not just for YOU but for everybody] and it will work because [more annoying support of your arguement] then we can all watch [underground german videos]. The trick is to stay positive, cause if you are whining and exuding negative vibes, people are going to turn you off in their minds, even if you have valid arguements. _____________________
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