Nazi Powers of Persuasion (from the National Archives)

Thanks for laying that out. I find the parallels startling --and my "political ends" as you term them are to do all I can to stem the tide of fascism in this country. I find your ignoring the obvious danger signs to be frankly repulsive.

Parellels? Startling?

Feb 27, 1933 - Nazis burn Reichstag building to create crisis atmosphere.
(Not unless you say 9-11 was staged.)

Feb 28, 1933 - Emergency powers granted to Hitler as a result of the Reichstag fire.
(You'll probably say 'Patriot Act,' but I'd say that's laughable.)

March 22, 1933 - Nazis open Dachau concentration camp near Munich, to be followed by Buchenwald near Weimar in central Germany, Sachsenhausen near Berlin in northern Germany, and Ravensbrück for women.
(Are you counting Gitmo as a concentration camp? The mind boggles...)

March 24, 1933 - German Parliament passes Enabling Act giving Hitler dictatorial powers.
(This happened when, recently?)

April 1, 1933 - Nazis stage boycott of Jewish shops and businesses.
(When?)

April 11, 1933 - Nazis issue a decree defining a non-Aryan as "anyone descended from non-Aryan, especially Jewish, parents or grandparents. One parent or grandparent classifies the descendant as non-Aryan...especially if one parent or grandparent was of the Jewish faith."
(Not even remotely close)

April 26, 1933 - The Gestapo is born, created by Hermann Göring in the German state of Prussia.
(Our intelligence agencies look more like the Keystone Kops than Goring.)

May 10, 1933 - Burning of books in Berlin and throughout Germany.
(Unless its some poor misguided soul in West Michigan burning Harry Potter books, I've heard of no such thing)

July 14, 1933 - Nazi Party is declared the only legal party in Germany; Also, Nazis pass Law to strip Jewish immigrants from Poland of their German citizenship.
(Have you heard of this happening lately?)

In July - Nazis pass law allowing for forced sterilization of those found by a Hereditary Health Court to have genetic defects.
(Hm. From our 'pro-life' president?)

In Sept - Nazis establish Reich Chamber of Culture, then exclude Jews from the Arts.
(Again, not anything I've heard of)

Sept 29, 1933 - Nazis prohibit Jews from owning land.
(Mmmm, nope. Not familiar with any such action as of late.)

Oct 4, 1933 - Jews are prohibited from being newspaper editors.
(Quite sure this hasn't happened)

Nov 24, 1933 - Nazis pass a Law against Habitual and Dangerous Criminals, which allows beggars, the homeless, alcoholics and the unemployed to be sent to concentration camps.
(Unfortunately, unemployment numbers are still high, so I guess they haven't been sent anywhere.)

Again, this parallel talk between the Nazi reich and the Bush administration seems nothing short of shameful. You find my "ignorance" repulsive? Fine. But I find your prostitution of mass murder equally repulsive.

At last. Something to agree upon.

Kendra, I don't mean anything bad or anything... but these past few responses of yours are more akin to something Korg would be doing. Dismissing opinions out of hand because they differ from your own...

Anyway, i'll back out now...

Restraints and hood as shown in the picture from "Nazi brutality" are approved GITMO and Iraqi prison interrogation techniques.

What Bush calls "not torture".

Sick.

Restraints? In prison? Shocking.

Restraints and hood as shown in the picture from "Nazi brutality" are approved GITMO and Iraqi prison interrogation techniques.

The picture shows the main restrained in a standing position with each arm chained to the side and his head in a burlap-type bag. This isn't your standard prison restraints, as anyone who's seen an HBO jail special or who has visited a prison would know.

Here's the deal. I don't like what happend at Abu Ghraib. I think it's a shameful disgrace and a deep embarassment. I wish it hadn't happened. I hope those who did it get dealt with appropriately.

However, I don't think that one bad incident means the nation as a whole is descending into fascism.

The people who did it are going to a military prison, where they will remain for a long time. That is appropriate.

What, if anything, do you imagine happened to those who murdered the men of Lidice, Czechoslovakia?

That is the difference.

As another Jewish woman, I find bending the Holocaust to meet your own political ends to be disgusting.

Early stages? Here's a review of the first year of Hitler's rule: (http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/timeline.html)

Jan 30, 1933 - Adolf Hitler is appointed Chancellor of Germany a nation with a Jewish population of 566,000.

Feb 22, 1933 - 40,000 SA and SS men are sworn in as auxiliary police.

Feb 27, 1933 - Nazis burn Reichstag building to create crisis atmosphere.

Feb 28, 1933 - Emergency powers granted to Hitler as a result of the Reichstag fire.

March 22, 1933 - Nazis open Dachau concentration camp near Munich, to be followed by Buchenwald near Weimar in central Germany, Sachsenhausen near Berlin in northern Germany, and Ravensbrück for women.

March 24, 1933 - German Parliament passes Enabling Act giving Hitler dictatorial powers.

See also - The Rise of Hitler - from Unknown to Dictator of Germany

April 1, 1933 - Nazis stage boycott of Jewish shops and businesses.

April 11, 1933 - Nazis issue a decree defining a non-Aryan as "anyone descended from non-Aryan, especially Jewish, parents or grandparents. One parent or grandparent classifies the descendant as non-Aryan...especially if one parent or grandparent was of the Jewish faith."

April 26, 1933 - The Gestapo is born, created by Hermann Göring in the German state of Prussia.

May 10, 1933 - Burning of books in Berlin and throughout Germany.

July 14, 1933 - Nazi Party is declared the only legal party in Germany; Also, Nazis pass Law to strip Jewish immigrants from Poland of their German citizenship.

In July - Nazis pass law allowing for forced sterilization of those found by a Hereditary Health Court to have genetic defects.

In Sept - Nazis establish Reich Chamber of Culture, then exclude Jews from the Arts.

Sept 29, 1933 - Nazis prohibit Jews from owning land.

Oct 4, 1933 - Jews are prohibited from being newspaper editors.

Nov 24, 1933 - Nazis pass a Law against Habitual and Dangerous Criminals, which allows beggars, the homeless, alcoholics and the unemployed to be sent to concentration camps.

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No. I find no parallel between the two.

Exactly how do you Liberals expect to gain the cooperation of enemy combatants and terrorists? Ask them pretty please? Wait...I forgot-there would be no enemy combatants or terrorists because you would just lay down and die.

-Kiamat Dusk
Torture is another Clinton Presidency

Yes, Kiamat, the enemies of the United States are completely sub-human and not deserving of any rights whatsoever, so sinking to any level of brutality against them to further one's own goals is perfectly justified, because they're not 'us'.

It's kind of hard to talk from the high ground, when one has sunk to the same level as the 'monsters' one is trying to fight. If one is not going to stick to one's ideals, then espousing them is just hypocrisy.

Ohh you women.....

But that's right, as Chip Midnight so clearly put it, you on the Left would rather see dead Americans than go to war.

Well, when a nation that poses itself as the worldwide bastion and exemplar of justice and freedom for all, using 'human right abuses' and other such things to justify aggression against other nations, turns around and engages in human rights abuses of their own, I see no problem calling 'hypocrisy'.

We can justify posing ourselves "as the worldwide bastion and exemplar of justice and freedom for all" because when one of our citizens conducts human rights abuses, we try them in a court of law-just as we are with the Abu Graib suspects.

-Kiamat Dusk
Guilty until proven innocent