Dont Remove Phantom Avatar 'Bug'

i believe that the so called phantom avatar 'bug' that allows avi's to go through objects and such is less of a bug and more of a feature. this allows you to fly palces and not run into unrezzed buildings, not get stuck inside bubbles or cages, and not get trapped in rooms where you cant find a door. these are things that are helpful considering that flying in SL is sometimes near impossible when theres nothing in your way. there are various ways to break this if used as a shield, i myself can collide objects with phantomed avi's. i am asking LL to let SL grow up and deal with this on it's own, this is very useful and removing it would just make flying nearly impossible again. Thank-You for your time.

Well said, Fred. I echo this sentiment. I was trapped in a building the other day and the only way I could get out was to wear the phantomizer Kris gave me. Saved my avie's tushie it did.

Remove it as it makes creating games, for instance, even more difficult and open for cheating. I've never had a need to use it nor would I expect most people do. I can't wait for Havok2 when we might finally stop people sitting on things to go through walls or manipulating their camera to go behind walls as well.

.... orrrr you could just enable "phantom" to be a toggle option in land.

"Allow phantom".

This is a bug - but its also a useful feature. Instead of killing it entirely, make it a supported feature with the usual required restriction.

Now that's a good idea.

Yus. A valid option. Plus, as you know, those who are determined to cheat will likely try to find some other exploit or start troublemaking if they don't win a game. It says more about the person than it does the option.

Similarly, camscanning through walls could be a valid option. I find it really handy in shopping malls -- but of course, I understand how it can take the fun out of mazes and FPS action and the like.

I endorse this product and/or feature. The togglie land widget thingie sounds fine too if ya really hafta.

Awww my baby posted!!!! and I wasn't here to run in and hug him to death...

Spankings all round?!

heyyyy!

i like where this is going, have an option to allow llVolumeDetect to be set to true in a parcel...very useful and anyone not wanting it can split the land they keep there private houses etc on even though people can still sit, it gives time for LL to upgrade that too if they want.

BABY!

*runs in give's you a kiss and runs back to my own thread*

I LOVE YOU

I EXTREMELY support this product and/or service.

Removing this so-called exploit will remove a valid feature that has become greatly appreciated. Akin to removing the sit-trick-teleport.

-Adam

I think it just enables more crappy builds to be made. If you can't get out, or get in very easily, why would you be there in the first place? And yes, I'm aware of the telehub-choking syndrome that affects 90% of SL, but again, why tolerate crap?

To me, an analogy would be - say the problem was pollution, and this 'feature' a breathing mask of some sort, complaining about removing the 'mask' when the real problem is the lung-choking pollution!

Just my perspective.

Um.

What does protection from griefers have to do with crappy builds?

Not to mention, tick off some customers who've apparently been paying up to 500 Linden Bones for the trick-script to vendors here and there...

- yoshi

Maxx, I use the phantom 'bug' extensively so that I don't have to wait for the telehub-choking crap to load. I just fly right thru the middle of it to where I want to be.

Surely that's a whole lot easier than trying to get the whole of SL to agree to stop building 'crap', as you see it? It's a little idealistic and naive to think you can change the pollution in the real world or the crap in SL, so let's just have the breathing masks as an immediate and practical solution to our individually 'ignoring' the problem for now, shall we?

At least til we have our SL wide government with building regulatory body in place.

And I have to say, I dont think your analogy really holds either... there aren't many people that are going to dispute what constitutes pollution and that it is a problem, whereas what you perceive as 'crap builds' is somewhat open to interpretation and opinion. Not everyone in SL can build at your level. Not everyone knows how to optimise a build. Largely due to a lack of documentation or help in these areas. Not everyone can help it anyway, because a lot of it is down to the architecture of SL and its ability to handle these densely built areas.

Just my perspective

This feature has many other useful uses other then let people fly trough buildings as they rez, save you from being stuck, and save you from griefers.

Infact, this feature should be made an official feature -because- it is so versatile and useful.

Its like saying: "The hell with flying! People should just build better roads and tak3 traffic into concideration. And its bad for games because people can just fly around obstacles and quickly. And its bad for shooting because people can escape shooting better this way."

Agent Phantom IS useful in more ways then this thread have listed. I strongly stand with my position that this should turn into an official feature.

One second, I'm nursing my freshly Kris-spanked bottom.

Yes, I know - I have flashes of idealism now and again. Bear with me.



My definition of 'crap' is widely-encompassing, but I should've been more specific. Either way, it won't just disappear, no. Maybe the phantom thing is great, I just haven't used it as much I suppose. It would be interesting to have it as an option as defense, I can certainly agree to that - when someone is trying to do things to you that you'd wish they wouldn't. Cases like that, I can see it being useful.

Again, I get these flashes of a collective community caring about what they build affecting others, but I know how realistic that is.

Its okay Kris, I still worship you

Oh, yes, lets keep the phantom av bug so I can put my invisi-prim suit, fly through walls and such, and listen in on people's conversations as well as taking peectures of them having hot av-sex. Whee! Fun times for everyone!

Oh yeah, and as an added bonus, I'll be able to dive in and out of clubs and such at will, tossing lag bombs in before diving back out. I'll be invisible AND fast, so they won't be able to find and click me fast enough to ban me from their land! YAY FOR GRIEFING! WOOOOO!

Any tool can be abused, is that your point?

Its behavior that is a problem, not the ability to do certain things, I think.

aww

Well, same here, Maxxy. But sometimes when you get on one of your little soapbox kicks I dunno whether to hug you for comfort or kick your ass

I feel the same way as you about a lot of stuff in SL, believe me. I dont much like the way things are going, and I miss a lot about the 'old days'. But still, being idealistic isnt going to get you all that far. So lets just go for the solutions we CAN implement... or stop taking away those little workarounds we use.

I mean really.. can the Lindens give us any good reasons why we shouldn't keep this hack? Other than their strange insistence on the awkward way we have to navigate around the Grid? Don't force us to 'explore', LL... it doesnt work. Every time I teleport somewhere, it just reinforces how flaky and clumsy SL really is and I want to use it less and less.

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Wouldn't it be more logical to, oh, deal with the people involved than the tools they used, particularly when only a tiny subset of the community is involved with griefing?

Oh, wait. I forgot. The motto in these parts seems to be "It's easier to punish everyone for the actions of a few than get off our asses and do something about the few".

This way everyone wins.

Making more options available tends to solve problems better than restricting them, IG.
This pattern applies to so many things in SL. There are a lot of quirky things I see all the time where I think, I wish I could just turn this on/off in my parcel at will.

Like turning av physics off, to prevent push-gun operation.

Not forgetting "I don't need it to play SL my way so I don't see why you should have it"

I vote for retaining the exploit, or coming up with a Linden-sanctioned alternative.