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Delian Zircon
Junior Member
Join date: 30 Oct 2003
Posts: 2
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10-30-2003 04:12
Count how many times the dealer gets a 20, or a 21... I demand an inspection. MOST of the time the dealer is dealt with a straight 20. If it is NOT dealt with a straight 20, it will get 20. If is doesn't get 20 it either matches me or gets 21. If it matches me, I do not get paid, it goes to the house. I understand the odds are on the house, but look at the play. There is something up. I would bet my life on it. I have above 11, and I hit, I'm guranteed to get a 10-K which will make me bust. I get a 20, dealer will usually get match me or get 21 and I lose. Dealer will have 15, hit, and get 20 or 21, I dare not hit at 15, cause when I do, I but... I get ANYTHING over 11, and 90% of the time I will bust... Dealer on the other hand, has 20 or 21 90% of the time. And will RARELY.... I repeat RARELY bust. I DEMAND and inspection. Ama, It is in my oppinion that you offer a service in which owners of games can ask you to have soem sort of "Ama's seal of approval" so that people like be don't get scammed by people like Jack, here. Purhapse charge for it. It is known that you have no need to steal other people's game code, so I would trust you with looking over my games if I had any... That way people know what's legit and what is more of a gamble than what it should be. Also, if you do this, require to have them keep mod rights for you on their games so that you can suprise check them every once and a while, in order for them to keep their "seal". If you look at the log below, you'll see how much of a "coinsidence" of Jack's game's win is. Especially when you are GURANTEED to lose on it. I DEMAND AN INSPECTION! From: someone
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 15. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 20. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 17
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: WINNER!
Jack Digeridoo paid you $1000.
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 15. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 20
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You didn't beat the house
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 18. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 18
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You didn't beat the house
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 13. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 19
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You didn't beat the house
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 16. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 21
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You didn't beat the house
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 10. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 13. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: 22! Your bust!
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You didn't beat the house
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 12. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Your at 21, it's now the dealers turn.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 25
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: WINNER!
Jack Digeridoo paid you $1000.
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 13. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 20. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 24
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: WINNER!
Jack Digeridoo paid you $1000.
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 7. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 17. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 19
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You didn't beat the house
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 10. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 20. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 20
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You didn't beat the house
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 20. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 21
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You didn't beat the house
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 13. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: 23! Your bust!
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You didn't beat the house
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 9. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 16. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 17
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You didn't beat the house
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 19. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 24
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: WINNER!
Jack Digeridoo paid you $1000.
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 15. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 17
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You didn't beat the house
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 16. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 18
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You didn't beat the house
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 15. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 16. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 20
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You didn't beat the house
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 12. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 18. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 21
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You didn't beat the house
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: WINNER!
Jack Digeridoo paid you $1000.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: BLACK JACK!
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 18. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 17
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: WINNER!
Jack Digeridoo paid you $1000.
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 15. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 20
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You didn't beat the house
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 17. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 23
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: WINNER!
Jack Digeridoo paid you $1000.
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 16. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 19
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You didn't beat the house
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 19. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 17
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: WINNER!
Jack Digeridoo paid you $1000.
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 7. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 16. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 19
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You didn't beat the house
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 15. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: 25! Your bust!
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You didn't beat the house
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 6. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 8. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 16. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 20
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You didn't beat the house
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: WINNER!
Jack Digeridoo paid you $1000.
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 20. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 20
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You didn't beat the house
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 19. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 21
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You didn't beat the house
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 20. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 21
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You didn't beat the house
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Regnar Bell
Senior Member
Join date: 11 Aug 2003
Posts: 84
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Casino Games in general
10-30-2003 04:50
Delian,
I have been a programmer for a long time . (26 years). When
I saw the casino go in the park I became VERY suspicious . While i know that the odds of a CORRECTLY written gambeling script favors the house or the author in this case there is always the temptation of the author to boost the odds in their favor . So understanding that . I play few if any of the games in any of the casinos .
Here Is some Technical info for you . No Computer on earth can generate a truely random number! Computers generate what are called Pseudo random numbers by reseeding the random number generator with the number of seconds or number of milliseconds elapsed since the computer was powerd on. Some base it on the clock in elapsed seconds since midnight. By adjusting the random Number seed the computer will spit out the same numbers each time. While i believe most scripts are legit a few Im sure are not . I do not know if llscript can control the random seed or not.
So the final word is "Buyer or Gambeler in this case " BEWARE !
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Cadroe Murphy
Assistant to Mr. Shatner
Join date: 31 Jul 2003
Posts: 689
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10-30-2003 05:41
I've played a lot of blackjack at casinos, and a push (dealer and player have same number) has always meant no money changes hands when I've played. If you're losing on a push, the odds have been worsened for you. Does the dealer have to stand on a soft 17 (a 17 with an ace)? If not, then the odds have been worsened. Can you split or double down? Those options are the main reason blackjack gives the best odds at a casino, because they allow you to change your bet after you've seen your cards. If you don't have those options, then your odds have been worsened considerably. I just wanted to point out that the odds you're getting at a blackjack table in SL might be very different from what you'd expect at a RL casino (aside from any issue with the deal). If the scripted dealer is just picking numbers rather than simulating decks of cards, who knows what the odds are. Also, if you've heard that blackjack gives 99% odds (on average the house will end up with 1% of your money), you should know that this is true only when you have the house rules I mentioned above AND you play every hand according to a system. If you don't know it, a simple way to play is to: always assume the dealer's down card is a ten and that he will draw a ten; always split on eights and aces; always double down on an eleven. Sorry if you already know all this stuff, but maybe it will help others  |
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Daemioth Sklar
Lifetime Member
Join date: 30 Jul 2003
Posts: 944
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10-30-2003 06:24
Though, I must say, for someone who has registered in October, you sure are betting a LOT of money in the casino. 500L each deal? I've been here for three months and I wouldn't dare do that. Perhaps you have a problem. Do we have Gamblers Anonymous?
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Dan Rhodes
hehe
Join date: 5 Jul 2003
Posts: 268
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10-30-2003 06:29
From: someone Originally posted by Daemioth Sklar
Though, I must say, for someone who has registered in October, you sure are betting a LOT of money in the casino. 500L each deal? I've been here for three months and I wouldn't dare do that. Perhaps you have a problem. Do we have Gamblers Anonymous? I noticed that too .. I need to open a casino hehe |
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Ironchef Cook
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Join date: 23 Jun 2003
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10-30-2003 06:33
Ya ouch no double down, splits, insurance, AND losing on a push is very bad odds for you.
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Ironchef Cook
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Join date: 23 Jun 2003
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10-30-2003 06:43
That is a lot of money for something who's born date is 10/30/03 with 0 ratings all around.
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Camille Serpentine
Eater of the Dead
Join date: 6 Oct 2003
Posts: 1,236
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10-30-2003 06:57
My question is - wouldn't you rather donate the money to me? I could buy clothes, objects, pay taxes, hoard land....  I mean if I calculated correctly - I assumed to start the game you needed to put down $500 (which was missing from the first line) - then you ended up being -$6000 in the hole!!there were 30 $500 bets placed. You won 9 times. So you won 30% of the time. That's not bad odds compared to lotteries and coin operated machines. |
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Nyna Slate
Dragon Moon
Join date: 22 Apr 2003
Posts: 267
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10-30-2003 07:02
No one has mentioned the Casino Owner. If the casnio your referring to is owned by Ama Omega. Then you have no worries. Ama is one of the most generouse, giving souls in SL. He Has been the victim of a massive exploite, and still he shares with others, His talant and his kindness. If the games do run in favor of the house. Then good . I am sure that any of the profits seen by these so called "riggied" games are going to help off set the huge taxes incurred and shoulder by Ama in his efforts to allow us all to enjoy Dark Wood.
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Acidic Chaos
Junior Member
Join date: 27 Oct 2003
Posts: 2
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10-30-2003 07:06
I too just played that game, and agree with Delian...
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 18. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 21
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You didn't beat the house
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 17. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 17. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 17
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You didn't beat the house
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 7. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 17. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 18
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You didn't beat the house
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 15. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 17
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You didn't beat the house
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 18. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 20
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You didn't beat the house
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 17. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 21
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You didn't beat the house
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 18. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 20
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You didn't beat the house
You paid Jack Digeridoo $500.
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: Shuffling
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You have : 14. Hit or stand?
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: dealer had 17
Blackjack v1.1 whispers: You didn't beat the house
You paid Ama Omega $100.
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Brad Lupis
Lupine Man
Join date: 23 Jun 2003
Posts: 280
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10-30-2003 07:06
yeah ama, I suggest you talk to Jack about his Blackjack table because it's obvious people are losing a lot more money to jack than they should. I don't know if he realizes it or not, but, if he's trying to make a blackjack game, he should make it a little more realistic, if not even up the odds a bit (yes, the odds are always with the house, but in blackjack, the odds are actually pretty even). He needs to make it so he gives the players money back to them on a push, because it makes no sense to pay him 500 dollars when you tie with the house, unless the house has a blackjack.
I understand casino games are a way for people to make money, but people shouldn't be getting money from people that way.
My question to you devian, is, why did you continue playing? I would have stopped the minute i didn't get my money back every time I tied the house. That makes the odds A LOT worse for you no matter how you look at it.
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Cadroe Murphy
Assistant to Mr. Shatner
Join date: 31 Jul 2003
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10-30-2003 07:14
But 30% is not such good odds when the bet is even. With the lottery the payout can literally be millions to one. Even on slots, most payouts are better than even, and of course you can hit the jackpot. In RL blackjack, doubling down and splitting allow you to increase your bet after seeing your cards, which is a huge advantage the dealer doesn't have.
I'm not criticizing the game or implying anything is "rigged", just explaining how RL blackjack works.
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Loki Pico
Registered User
Join date: 20 Jun 2003
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10-30-2003 07:38
Maybe it should be inspected, but I suspect a smear campaign against Jack. Two brand new players, both betting multiple $500 bets? Who is to say these chat logs arent edited in the favor of the gambler trying to make his point or smear Jack?
I usually try to stay out of stuff like this, but recent events with a disgruntled player and now this post, it just doesnt feel right to me. Jack has always been a good guy and I rarely gamble on any machine, but it has always seemed fair when I play Jacks games.
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Bosozoku Kato
insurrectionist midget
Join date: 16 Jun 2003
Posts: 452
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10-30-2003 07:51
I agree with Loki, somewhat. Jack's always been a good guy to me (tealean neighbors).
But I also suspect something's wrong with the game. Before this post was even here I played the game and felt it wasn't right. Dealer was too lucky, bordering perfect.
Today, after seeing this post, I returned to check out the game. A few others were there as well. Now I understand the house has the advantage, it is gambling afterall. But the game needs some work.
1. It's buggy, it called an Ace and Nine (9) combination a "BLACKJACK" (was player's hand, play won).
2. Dealer's down card should flip before dealer draws, I believe this is the norm with the game (but not positive, one of you gambling junkies can clarify).
3. Push needs to pay the player, unless push is on BJ. I believe this is the norm for the game -- again need someone that actually knows the rules perhaps to post.
I believe if the push was paid to the player that would even it up considerably. But it needs splits and such as well -- which greatly complicates coding it.
It's definitely fun to play and great that the bets are variable from $1 to $500. Giving even poor folks a chance to play and have some fun.
I favor a theory that Jack's intent was good, just the design needs a little work.
Bos
edit:
from the original post, if I counted correctly you won 8 out of 30 players. Spending $15,000 (where's a noob get that much anyway?) and making $8000. For a total loss of -$7000.
Not quite as bad as it first appears it is. And a lot better in the players favor if pushes were balanced.
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Ironchef Cook
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Join date: 23 Jun 2003
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10-30-2003 07:51
Nyna, even though this has nothing to do with Ama, it seems to me you're saying it's ok to set up an unfair game to rob suckers of their money to help support Darkwood.
This game shouldn't be called 'Blackjack' because it isn't. There is no info about the game that explains how the game works. Since it is called blackjack, one would assume it works the same way as if you were in a real casino.
If I played this game thinking it was really blackjack but took 20 loses before realizing there's no double down, splits, insurance, and loss on a push, I'd be really pissed.
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David Cartier
Registered User
Join date: 8 Jun 2003
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10-30-2003 09:09
Loki, you took the words right out of my head. I just get the feeling that this could the parting shot of a recently departed resident. Jack has been operating for a while now and now all of a sudden two complaints? Who knows; I've never met him, myself. Even if it isn't, they are betting too much cash for my comfort; I don't know anyone who bets like that on a regular basis unless they have a problem. Regardless, he'll likely have to submit his scripts for an impartial review in order to clear his rep. We are going to need a Gaming Commission, the way things are going. From: someone Originally posted by Loki Pico
Maybe it should be inspected, but I suspect a smear campaign against Jack. Two brand new players, both betting multiple $500 bets? Who is to say these chat logs arent edited in the favor of the gambler trying to make his point or smear Jack?
I usually try to stay out of stuff like this, but recent events with a disgruntled player and now this post, it just doesnt feel right to me. Jack has always been a good guy and I rarely gamble on any machine, but it has always seemed fair when I play Jacks games. |
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Alek Wu
LEFT-HANDED ELF!
Join date: 16 Apr 2003
Posts: 237
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10-30-2003 09:15
The table in question was not made by Ama and I.
I agree that a push should pay out even money (give the player's money back). That's how my BJ table works. If Jack wants to work it another way, fine, but he needs to put in a notecard or something that explains his payouts and how to play.
Mine is pretty even... I don't really make anything on my tables because the payout is so close. Paying even money on a push might help his table somewhat... but without seeing his code, I have no clue. *shrug*
I would hope someone would come to me if something broke or was wrong in my script... as long as they don't attack me and assume I'm intentionally trying to cheat them (as it sounds like in the initiating post). I hope Jack receives the same consideration. (:
Would it help to put an Omega Games stamp of approval on games that we think are fair? Ama did it in the past when he only had Taber...
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Soren Romulus
Senior Member
Join date: 5 Jun 2003
Posts: 159
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10-30-2003 09:28
I was reading this thread and I realized too that is sounded soo much like a smear campaign that all I could think of was this.. First.. $500 a pop is high, very high, but the person kept on putting 500 in even when they lost. Secondly, to accuse Ama of not being fare(basically) is down right rediculous. Third, I have been to the Casinos, who probably hasn't, but if I see a game too high priced and I do have the cash to drop, I still won't drop my chunk of change into it or after at least a few losses I give up. But to continue to drop over and over again is rediculous. Now for the the Fourth thing: I read probably all the post, every day and I also tend to have a good memory and as part of a pretty good insight to patterns in writing. The persons post looked oddly like someone elses writing style and also usage of their skills in trying to express. Did we see chat logs in some other post before? Think about it.. Just my 4 cents worth.. But I don't know Jack either(hehehehe) so I would only say that just very questionable, VERY QUESTONABLE..
Soren
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Cadroe Murphy
Assistant to Mr. Shatner
Join date: 31 Jul 2003
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10-30-2003 09:50
Well I hope it didn't seem like I meant to participate in any kind of smear. I was just trying to help with information about blackjack, without any suggestion whether this SL game is fair.
If I were going to play blackjack in SL, I'd also want to know if blackjack pays out 3 to 2.
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Jack Digeridoo
machinimaniac
Join date: 29 Jul 2003
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Re: RIGGED!!!
10-30-2003 10:13
From: someone Originally posted by Delian Zircon
Count how many times the dealer gets a 20, or a 21... I demand an inspection.
This is sad. Strife. I hate strife. Seems it only started to find me a few weeks ago when I publicly annouced that fact in the forums. Anyways. I would love to have Ama give it the seal of approval. I have 3 games in the arcade and blackjack is the most "honest" so to speak. The BJ table does not work all the traditional casino rules. I figured it would get to complicated and I would have to break it into multiple scripts. I also wanted to make a game more like the BJ my Dad used to play with me when I was a kid. He never told me about double-down, insurance, push.. I honestly don't know what they are  So I will include a notecard explaining the rules of Jack&Pop bj. One casino's rules varies from the next so I figured it wouldn't be a problem but not including a notecard was a mistake on my part. I don't recall exactly but I'll try to explain how BJ shuffles and deals : I fill a list with #'s from 0-51 then call llListRandomize. You get a card, dealer gets a card, then you, then the dealer. Then you get to hit or stand. The cards are drawn sequentially out of the list. The dealer stands on a hard 17. That's the only rule. stand on hard 17. There's not much to it. Generating random numbers and checking to see if that number has already been picked might be more efficient, but I tought making a full deck in memory was more "fair" even though they really have no difference on the odds. The check for a bj is done after the table knows who wins. I took a guess and never tested it. It's plays a little tune when you get a BJ. It's a hip hop song that says "jack, jack, the new jack" or something like that.. I thought it was funny.... The amount you "new guys" lost in that session was a LOT. I have never seen BJ take in so much without losing. I am going to check my account history to see if the figures they posted were accurate. Some way to track history would be great Lindens. I can't send myself 100 emails a day to log this stuff. BK or someone else, can you tell me what "push" is? You said it would even out the odds a bit which I am up for... I want as few complaints as possible. And new guys, don't know what else to tell you. I'm on the up an up. Play some ring toss. It's way more fun. Next 15 people or so get $100 just for playing. But be warned, it's as rigged as any other ring toss game at a carnival.  |
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si Money
The nice demon.
Join date: 21 May 2003
Posts: 477
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10-30-2003 10:13
Simple solution, stop playing the game.
If it's got no posted odds, no posted rules, etc, who's to say what they are. You don't know, don't play. Very simple.
Why in the world would you just keep feeding money in if you suspected this? I'm baffled.
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Ama Omega
Lost Wanderer
Join date: 11 Dec 2002
Posts: 1,770
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10-30-2003 10:18
I have been asked about the fairness once or twice before. Someone brought me over saying it was unfair to show me and proceeded to win twice in a row.
Has anyone contacted Jack about their questions with his code? Or did eveyone just decide to publish it to the forums?
My guesses are these for what is going on:
- You lose more money because of a push. A push should return the bet, not keep it.
- Some people are obviously paying too much money to the game. Smaller bets will mean your money will even out sooner. With large bets any lucky or unlucky streak is way exagerated.
- Only a double on a blackjack. If the game is being compared to Alek's (she made the one I use too), blackjacks pay 2.5x bet. On my high roller tables, they only pay 2.5x for the first blackjack a player gets.
- It sounds like there may be a bug or two in the counting code (if it counts 9-Ace as blackjack).
Those things can add up to a large difference in payouts.
Alek's table does not do double downs or splits or insurance and the payout on them is so really close right now that doing so would likely drive me broke.
If jack requests a code review I would be happy to grant one. Until then, if you don't think his game is fair and unless you can prove beyond circumstantial evidence (an unlucky streak) that something is wrong, then play at a different table. No one is forcing you to drop $500 bets on a table you don't think is fair.
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About random numbers: It is entirely possible to generate a random number. It is just generally not desired for many reasons. And I do not think that any scripter has access to the random number seed.
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For jack: A push is a tie. In a casino when the player ties the dealer the player keeps their bet. I think special rules apply in the case of tied blackjacks.
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Jack Digeridoo
machinimaniac
Join date: 29 Jul 2003
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10-30-2003 10:29
When I login I'll pass you the script Ama. I don't think there is any bugs in the counting, just in how it checks for a black jack. I never ran a test case for that Ahh.. See when I played with my dad and we tied he would grab all the pennies and say "the house always wins". So I thought a tie went to the dealer. I can change that tonight. Thx for the ideas guys. |
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Liam Roark
just a haas
Join date: 16 Oct 2003
Posts: 37
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10-30-2003 10:53
I know a lot about blackjack, having grown up near the casinos and played with professional dealers(including the 'rents) for years. Yes, the odds are in favor of the house- but only because you, the player, cannot know what that first card is. Otherwise, the odds are standard to the deck of cards and the random draw; there is nothing artificial causing the house to have a tendency to get the cards it needs or causing the player to unnaturally bust. The dealer is as likely to draw an unlucky card as you are.
Now, if this is a case of the script being super-smart and knowing when to hit and stand based on statistics alone, that is acceptable. That is why you tend to lose a lot in real casinos, heh- the dealers are trained well and you're not, really.
But if it's a case of a scripted-in unnatural advantage for the house to make it profitable in lieu of scripting an intelligent dealer, that's not kosher. In real life, the dealer doesn't know any better than you do what that next card is going to be.
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Zenimus Digeridoo
International Super-Ninja
Join date: 21 Aug 2003
Posts: 40
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10-30-2003 11:21
From: someone Originally posted by David Cartier
I just get the feeling that this could the parting shot of a recently departed resident. I'm gonna have to call u on that one. It is WAY too premature to be saying that, given the circumstances.
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