Neg rated by a noob while not even online

Whats up with that? I havent even met the person who neg'd me. I looked him up just now and he's given 3-'s and 8+ while only receiving 3+ himself.

PLUS I can't rate him until I see him or otherwise find an object he made. That really bites.

Also, the only reason I found out was an email notification. When I just logged in to IM him and ask why, there was no notification of the rate.

does anyone know whether a trial users ratings stay if they do not become official SL members?

if so, that neg rating will just fall off.

I wouldn't blame this new user. Yesterday (or was it the day before) the message of the day was instructing people to negatively rate others. I think this will lead to a more casual use of neg ratings, such as when a new user sees a build that he/she thinks is ugly. The same goes for abuse reports, which new users are encouraged to file.

Uh... Wouldn't somone who rates things he dosn't like negatively be PROPERLY using the rating system?

Yes, but the question before us today is, did that happen? Or did someone see the MotD and decide to neg rate the first thing they saw, or possibly to neg rate the first thing that slightly displeased them?

I think the later two are more likely than the former.

But what can you do? Everyone gets an equal vote, and no one has to explain their opinions.

I realize the concern and obvious reasoning. I just want to temper this thread with the knowledg that:

With the new system, the player could have seen something he didn't like in world, Right clicked on it, chose rate and negatively rated Misnomer.

No one needs to be online any more and we can rate directly from any object owned / created by somone.

Thing is, it's not like I own a PoG or anything. All my stuff is pretty vanilla.

Ackertually, you could always rate someone via their objects, "Edit->General->Owner->profile", it's just much much easier now.

AND None of my builds are big ugly swirly flashing towers or bilboards either.

Maybe this guy / gal only likes big, ugly, swirly, shiney, flashy, billboards featuring the PoG

When you rate objects does that allow you to rate the owner's other ratings as well? I could see where this could be a problem. (At work and not able to check out if it's just the building rating)

As long as your negative ratings doesn't equal or exceed your amount of postive ratings I wouldn't worry too much about it. Hopefully the people who love to rate negative just to damage someone's reputation won't be common place.

A few negative ratings creates character

Hehe maybe on my gangsta AV I should make a teardrop tattoo for every person who gave me a bad rating.

I only neg rate as a last resort.

It does seem that there is encouragement to neg rate others now. I dont like the prompt to neg rate for someone bumping into me. If I dismiss it, then that person can bump me all they want, it does not make sense. Same goes for scripted items that may bump you.

Rating is no longer annoymous now as well. If I neg rate someone (or something) chances are that person will neg rate me simply because and not consider why they were neg rated in the first place. I can leave a comment and explain why, but it seems like a sure way to start up an unwanted dramafest.

I do like that it shows on the profile how many times a person has given a neg rating, sort of a clue to their psyche. But I dont like that people now know how I rate them. If I choose to neg rate, I feel I am setting myself up for a return neg rate, or worse. I dont care who rates me, I dont need to know about it.

A new police blotter is out, /120/c4/6267/1.html Read the whole thread to take my quote in context, but this is telling.

There should be some sort of distiguishing factor if someone is neg rating on a build. All ratings should be clear as to why they were given and not left as to wonder.

Knowing who and why is a very important step to prevent ratings from being a griefing tool. There still is an opportunity for ratings to become a grief tool and it really needs to be addressed.

Some don't care about neg ratings, some do, either way, the ratetee has the right to know who, what, when, and why.


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I see your point Feniks. I do my best to avoid confrontation, its a personal thing I guess. I dont neg rate some things I want too, I just try to ignore them rather than cause problems.

"If I neg rate someone (or something) chances are that person will neg rate me simply because and not consider why they were neg rated in the first place."

I know just what you mean Loki! Now, I want to bring something semi personal into this, just to make a point of why I would never do this.

I personally run a business. I have two seperate sections to my "Gallery and Boutique". One section is PG to PG13 rated, the other section is R to XXX rated. I keep them *clearly* seperated. And yes, I do live in a mature land.

Now, most of my visitors love my place. It seems to be a hang out spot in my land, and those that know me, know that my place is a great establishment for those who are into alternative lifestyles (RL and in Game RP).

In the time that my place has been open, I have learned of only one person that has complained. Unfortunatly for them, they did so to a friend of mine who happened to just be hanging out on my property that night. The person who complained was a person I had exchanged calling cards with in the past. And was a person I could easily lash out at and do all neg votes.

What did I do though? I just accepted that my place will not be for everyone. I would hope who I am would help speak for my place and that anyone who once liked me, but then stopped (just because they saw my place) would take the time to talk to me about it. Would I suddenly rate that person Negative just because they did not like my place?! No way! They are entitled to their opinion just as I am entitled to mine. I *can* understand why someone would neg rate me based on my place... but I also trust that as people know me more, their minds would change.

Excellent point brought up Loki, and just wanted to touch more on it. =)

Alas, last night I too recieved a neg rating. I was in Dore, saw a nembie, and descended to greet him. I hit a small lag slick, and was catapulted 50 feet past where I meant to land. Well, I would have been, but there was a nice soft noob to block me from careening across the sim. I apologized for plowing into him, but to no avail. I recieved a neg rating, and probably an automated abuse report to boot. Sigh, curse you lag gods!

just another of the "praised" linden update flaws dev....you can bump me anytime <grin>

Consider yourself bumped. BTW Eggy was very disappointed a few days ago. He went to the sand bar to see your pic and it was GONE!

UPDATE

Yes you can rate the owner OR creator in all three categories. This person gave me a neg in all three. Now that I saw this I decided to go ahead and mention that it was William Chaos.

I dont know. I see this as a setup for hatred and serious fights that could even break into loss of revenue for Linden.

You get one negative rating because someone doesn't like what you built, and that's *PERMANENT*. You've been permanently damaged by someone else, and your ability to use SL has been damaged, as well.

Someone floating about, "Oh, I don't like that." That gives the person a permanent black eye.

What this *does* do is make sure everyone acts VERY conservatively and makes sure they're damned afraid to build anything the 'everyday joe' may not like.

Let's say you're on SL for 5 years. And accumulate say, -50. This could have some REAL effects on trust, and your enjoyment of the world.

With stuff like building, you're talking about things that are completely subjective. But the ratings are NOT taken in the same way. If someone has negatives, who cares how many positives they have --- they've got negatives, dammit! Stay away...

And again, it's irrecoverable. Someone builds something gaudy the first month they're at SL, get -75 neg ratings, and then "wise up" and realize they should either stop building or leave the game entirely, -- if they don't realize that they're wanted to leave, 5 years from now they'll still have -75..

And they'll ALWAYS be charged for those -75's. Forever.

Maybe people should resort to IM rather than neg rating. If you've got a beef with something or someone, take it to that person, and then decide to rate them if talking it out doesn't work.

Seriously. If I do something to deserve a neg, I accept that. To get one in all three categories when I'm not even on is griefing. They dont know what I look like & I wasnt there to have bad behavior. The build stuff is all subjective.

Well, what sucks MJ, is, that maybe the guy was new and was just 'trying the functions out', and was like "whats this? rate? huh. Negative hehehehe." ...

Did you get a response from him via IM?

I got neg rated the other day for a build- thing is, the message stated that the person liked it, and had paid me $50 in lieu of a vote, as I didn't have a voting station set up yet. And true enough, I had the money. Now, I might be a little cracked in the head about these things, but the negetive rating doesn't quite make sense in that context- a mistake, or a bug? Any thoughts?