Morris prim usage..

Well no matter how you look at it, you are violating the terms of sandboxes, and you ARE using for advertising purposes.

Geez, no she isn't.

I guess all the Lindens have missed this. Either that, or by advertisements they mean actual ads, landmarks, etc..

Displaying a work of art is not advertising unless there is a sign saying 'buy me'!

I know, I'll just attach my things to my head, go stand in Morris, and put a quarter wedged beside my enter key. Fixed!

ah, but then people would neg rate you for lagging the sim!
just kidding!

She has them there, they are for sale... so if people are intersted they IM her and she sells it...

So you are saying it is ok for me to go and drop a bunch of items in the sandboxes that I sell, just as long as they arent for sale at THAT location? I dont care how good her work is, the rules apply to everyone, and if they dont the place would be a disaster.

I just see this heading for the big 'ol one-whiner-ruins-it-for-everyone result.

I like seeing people leaving their stuff, the boxes get wiped every day -- I don't get the fuss. Some of us don't want to buy land because sims are a mess. Sandboxes for me are the one remaining attraction to SL. Manage to mess that up, and well.....I might check in now and then to GOM my accumulating balance, what other reason would I have to even bother logging in if I can't create and share my work? (On a temporary basis even, since they get wiped frequently.)

I was starting to get optimistic too, since Newcomb is a real pleasure to build in for me.

Bah quit whining those of you who think its a bad thing.

Where were you when the morris sandbox had a dozen landmark givers in the morris and cordova sandboxes, along with display material of the stuff they were selling? I didnt see you jump up and down and stamp your feet in the forums then.

Olive never had those sorts of problems . Though I don't really build much and have little reason to frequent sandboxes, I do go to them to watch people practice and build. There really shouldn't be much of an issue in the remote sandboxes, as they have high prim limits, but from what I remember Morris has always been sort of a newcomer building area, giving newbies a place to learn to rez, rotate and skew.

I have always enjoyed watching Maxx, Lordfly and the many others creating their first mega towers, sculptures, super structures and even gianormous physical slides. Back in the olden golden days there was but one sandbox (olive and then cordova) and, except for an occasional push gun freak, we all got along well. I think the difference is that people were building the item in the sandbox and leaving it for everyone to see, take pictures of, drive their vehicles up, jump off of and learn from. You could walk up to anyone of them while they were building and watch their technique (if you noticed them taking a breather, they would even answer a few questions). That is the difference, they were not marketing the item by placing it in every available build zone, they actually used the sandbox for experimentation and exploration. The gift was not necessarily the end result, sometimes it was watching the process.

And just a wee PS

This world is much larger now and it is far easier to step on toes. Everyone started somewhere and to say that if it ain't pretty it is crap is both rude and near-sighted. Chuck Jones said it best "Every artist has 1 million bad peices of art and the quicker you get through them the quicker you get to the good art" or something along those lines.

Personally... I often visit Morris just to see what people have left, to see if there are any new and interesting ideas. I've seen some of the sculptures there and they're impressive.... especially when showing a newbie around.

I try to abide by rules always, but no rule should be so inflexible that it ignores artistic talent. If someone has to go use a different sandbox one day because a brilliant piece of art is present... (and again, my personal opinion), it's a small sacrifice. There are plenty of sandboxes to play in.

I'm not bothered by the 200 prim sculpture nearly so much as I am the trash people have left laying around with "no copy no modify" attached to them. I've seen Morris so cluttered one couldn't even walk through. Vehicles replicated and scattered all around, "free" boxes that cannot be copied. Thanks, but compared to that, I'll take a nice sculpture any time.

Recently builders have been leaving a lot of interesting things on Morris... I have felt with the obvious desire to show newbies what can be done on SL. As long as it's not blatant advertising, as long as the thing doesn't shout at me continually for the entire hour I'm there.... personally I have no problems. But that's my opinion; I cannot speak for SL rules or what is "right/wrong". That's the domain of the powers that be.


PS... one last afterthought... Cher Linden once told me very kindly, "That's the rule and I wouldn't change it for the Pope." That made me think about community standards-- they're there for a reason. In this particular case, as much as I love art, from a totally logical standpoint if the rule had been followed, there wouldn't have been a problem. If one wishes a special bypass of a rule, the Lindens can always be asked; they may have an alternative solution (such as giving you an "art display space" on Morris somewhere, which personally would tickle some of us pink). Kudos to you for listening to this one user even though you disagreed with her and to her for removing the neg ratings; sometimes we all over-react or react wrongly. It's how we handle it afterward that counts.

"I'm not bothered by the 200 prim sculpture nearly so much as I am the trash people have left laying around with "no copy no modify" attached to them. I've seen Morris so cluttered one couldn't even walk through. Vehicles replicated and scattered all around, "free" boxes that cannot be copied. Thanks, but compared to that, I'll take a nice sculpture any time."


Once again when you are dealing with sandboxes you expect that folks will be trying out new things and that newbies will be leaving their items laying around. New people do not always know the rules, they do not always know how to take something back to inventory. But, if you have been around long enough to create these amazing peices of art the least you can do is respect those who are trying to learn and not call thier trial and error trash, remember your own humble beginnings and respect others right to use the sandbox for the reason it was intended.

Leave an item built in the sandbox for a day and that is fine...drop off duplicate items in every available build area...well that assumes much and abuses the sandboxes set up for experimentation.

Whether or not it is "advertising" is stepping into the TOS, and as far as I'm concerned, if it were against the TOS, it would be taken care of by a Linden, not some wantabe sandbox monitor ingame. I could talk until I'm blue in the face about what my purpose is for placing sculptures in sandboxes, but those who think it's to get rich quick will believe what you want to believe regardless, so it would be pointless. We're all free to think what we want.

The Lindens have not been slack at all about staying ontop of what belongs and doesn't belong in the sandboxes. Everytime I accidentally leave one with non-PG "bits" on it in the sandbox, it's found quite quickly, deleted, and they message me. They know what's going on in this game. They know what we're doing in there. So whether or not it's against the rules is not something I will argue on about. I asked if it annoys you all to have them there. I got lots of answers, and I appreciate them all.

But you know it isn't a ToS violation. That wasn't your question. I for one do not think what you are doing is wrong, maybe just a bit of overkill if you are dropping them in every sandbox. It doesn't bother me in the least but Morris is a newcomer sandbox for the purpose of newcomer experimentation. If you are hanging out showing newbies the possibilities of prim modification that is one can of beans. But dropping it off because you think you deserve the space and thier junk doesn't is a different story.

Roentgen Power!!! hehe, sandboxes are for playing or didn't you have a childhood people!? Anyway, if it were say 5000 prims and you died everytime you looked at it I'd say "hmm... possibly that shouldn't be at ground level", if you were using 14000 prims and had almost filled up the sandbox that would be just ridiculous, but if it's below say 500 it's fine. That's a just your average superdetailed house or large sculpture. I personally think the rule about not advertising in the sandboxes is ridiculous. but it doesn't apply in this case anyway since you're just decorating not soliciting.

However, Morris is probably not the place to do this as it's a newbie sandbox . Morris IS more limitied prim wise. There's a nice new no script sandbox down in the SW. I know, it's not as high traffic, but it'll still get seen.

I find n00bs are best cooked rotissery style, with a light baste.