Rave Sticks and PMs: Sure let's keep doing this.

The rave sticks that are suggested as being harmful to the SL environment are almost 3 years old. I attempted to remove them, again almost three years ago, and replace them with better ones.

Ask me for one if you see me in game (unlikely), and I will give you one.

Regarding "challenges to meet in RL", one AV particularly and viciously attacked me on the forums, by name, with a tremendous amount of profanity.

I decided not to reply in kind, but sent a PM, stating that if the person wanted to talk to me, a real person, in such a manner, perhaps they'd care to do so in RL. Otherwise the actions are cowardly.

You should assume when you post that the person is standing in front of you. I am willing to bet that you'd see a hell of a lot less attacks and ass showing if that was the case. I believed a reminder of this was in order for the community.

The issue with scanners and listeners is entirely overstated. No Linden has ever, in any way shape or form, indicated to me that any of my scripts, total or individual, or a problem. I remind you that the Vorago was an original Linden top pick, when the Lindens actually picked them themselves.

When a Linden shows up and says "this script/those scripts is/are a problem", then I'll deal with it. Otherwise, save your breath...or save it for a report.

Didn't you threaten someone over your key information or is my memory incorrect? Karma is a bitch.

Wow.

Wasn't this topic closed, like, twice already?

If I walk up to somebody these days and say, "how are you", they will post that my interest in their health is a threat. If I put out one script with a scanner, people will say I'm intentionally lagging a sim. Many of you are deliberately taking it too far, and you may notice that many who have told such lies or exaggerations haven't been around much lately.

*rubs eyes*

Whats going on here? Rave sticks? Whats the big deal?

For gods sake, stop posting about this already. The lindens have closed two threads down now because you two keep posting about a topic from an already-locked thread. Does one of you have to be banned from the forums for this to stop?

You are free to ignore the threads. Your inability to do so has nothing to do with me.

The threads were locked because they were direct addresses. This is a clarification in the interests of the community that the later rave sticks are acceptable script-wise, and that any such statements to the contrary are false.

I see nothing in violation regarding this thread. Talking about rave sticks isn't against the TOS or CS.

Must...read....thread...unable...to...ignore.....

What?


Dude, I just said that this topic was started twice before - once by you, once by Flip - and both times it was closed. I have little doubt that it will be closed this time as well, because the mods specifically state that you're not supposed to start new threads soley to continue closed ones, only to argue with specific people, etc. etc. etc. Not sure why that part hasn't sunk in yet.

No one cares about your rave stick issue except you and Flip. Keep it between yourselves, like the mods have told you TWICE already. Jeez.

When you are a board mod, I'll listen. But I won't allow lies about me or mine to persist. And if that means I get kicked off the boards for a while, so be it. As Phil did once mention, most of what is said on them is worthless anyway.

There is no direct CS or TOS violation in this thread at all.

Until then, while I'm sure you are free to continue armchair moderation, I'm free to ignore it.

As you are this thread.

I'm just reiterating what has already been said twice by the actual board mods. If you don't care to pay attention to THEM, then knock yourself out.

So... about those rave sticks... Whats the issue/debate?

Boiling down a long history of animosity:

Tcoz made some rave sticks. They are pretty common in SL now.

Rave sticks have open listens in them.

It's commonly accepted as fact - backed up by the lindens revelations about it - that open listens are less-than-great for the health of a sim.

A comment was made regarding said rave sticks having open listens in them in a, shall we say, less than praising tone.

Tcoz takes issue.

Numerous posts of nonsense and attacks on both sides.

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It has been suggested quite directly that I am deliberately, or just carelessly, impacting the SL environment by making available a "rave stick", a stick that changes colors.

That stick, admittedly not that best script I ever wrote, but understandably so since I wrote it back in 2002 when I had been in game all of a week or so, is now another proffered example of how I am attempting to destroy SL.

The fact that I recalled as many of them as I could once I discovered that the original color cycling capability was a sim killer (which was probably a week or so after I created it), and produced a new one that only used a timer and offset texture, solely in the interests of the community, and gave away the texture and script so people could reproduce the capability, was of course obscured in the interests of trying to make it look like I am deliberately clogging up the SL sims with malicous scripts.

When attempts to paint my in world conduct in a poor light, that conduct being beyond reproach (going on three years and never a warning or any kind) stop, so will these threads. I'm just defending myself, which I consider reasonable.

You know, the SL forums really are just a bad place. There's really very little positive anymore at all.

And it's not just inflammatory posters.

It is the widespread inability to ignore them. For which we are all responsible.

Thanks Reitsuki!

Now I can fully concentrate on the drama now that the facts are out of the way.

Yes there is Tcoz.

"If a moderator removes your post, do not repost it elsewhere. Do not repost threads that have been locked or deleted and do not repost content that has been edited or deleted by a moderator. Furthermore, please do not post a "why did my post get removed" post. Send any further discussion regarding post removals to [email]abuse@lindenlab.com[/email]."



and of course that wasn't the reason your original one was closed. It was an original thread after all. That one was closed and Jeska said:




"The Second Life Forums are a public area for the Second Life community’s use. Individuals who have a dispute with each other have other channels of communication to discuss their differences or communicate – private messaging, IM within Second Life, or chatting within Second Life.

Also, threads that are addressed to a single individual or group are inappropriate on the forums, this includes slander or "naming names" in a posts title, starting polls about a particular resident or group, etc. As such, this thread is inappropriate and is being closed and the Residents name from both the title and the post itself have been removed."

First of all, the attacks were not reposted, and that was the reason for the lock.
And the post was not removed. Are you honestly suggesting that talking about rave sticks is now forbidden forever?

Unlikely. I reject your interpretation.

Yeah, I was just thinking that.

Considering the issue is the open listen, not the texture cycling or anything else, as has been said repeatedly.

Further, what exactly about "They are pretty common now" is even less than perfectly factual?

You know, I guess the only attraction of those original rave sticks, as I'm sure any scripter with the info at hand nowadays could make their own version, is that I made them, and that they are very old. People would probably refuse the not-much-later version of them even if I walked up to them and offered it.

Nothing I can do about that.

Tcoz, if you just left it at "In case anyone is worried about this, the rave sticks I made back in beta use an open listen and I tried my best to get them out of circulation, the later ones are fine", then that would seem to be legitimate. And I for one certainly wouldn't blame you for wanting to get that out in the open.

But you went ahead and put all this stuff in:


THAT stuff is all between you and whoever you're having that kind of issue with. That's the kind of stuff that got the thread locked.

I appreciate you trying to get the record straight, but you can do that without rambling on about who did what to who and when and what they said to you and what the Lindens did or didn't do OMG. You're obviously addressing Flip in this section, trying to bring that whole personal disagreement back into the mix, which is exactly what the threads were closed for.

Again - I don't have any quarrel whatsoever with you wanting to defend your good name, or getting correct information out there about your scripted objects. But can't you do it without dragging all that other stuff into the thread?

- Captain Armchair

I agree with Azazel's post 100%

Well of course you do. Because it is anti me. If I said the sky was blue and somebody else said no red, I'm sure we'd see any number of people agreeing.

I'll tell you it's amazing how easy it was to become the most hated AV in SL, in spite of the fact that I've never griefed anybody.

You know, the end of my last post was probably the wisest thing anybody has said on the forums for a long time.

I'm going to take that advice. The forums are just a complete waste of ascii text. Good gets turned into bad, there's inconsistency everywhere, people are just vicious and compel others to be so.

I have never, ever, in any forum of any kind anywhere, been led so far down this path. It is unique to this environment. To tell you the truth, in retrospect, I'm shocked.

You want to slander or lie about me, well, if you want me to know, you'll have to do it in world. You know, that place where I'm trying to destroy SL, clog the sims with listener scripts, and so forth. I have one battle that I will continue to fight though, I'm sure you can figure out what it is.

Other than that, stay off my land or you'll get a free ride home, courtesy Tcoz Malicous Scripting Services. Just leave me alone.

I wish you well Tcoz. I'm sorry you're this upset and you're taking it so personally. I didn't mean to upset you further.

I have nothing against you, like I said I've never had any interaction with you. I kept out of the other two threads that were brought up about this topic. I have absolutely no opinion about you one way or the other except the general live and let live I usually work under.

If you feel you've become "the most hated AV in SL" over this - when like 10% of people even read the forums - then maybe a vacation from this forum is a good idea. I say this not because I wish you to leave but because you would probably feel better about a lot of things if you weren't getting all stressed out about it.

Good luck to you and I hope you find peace and joy wherever your second life leads you.

I think there is a more pressing question which we must address: what the hell is a rave stick? And what fun is a rave in SL without the excessive consumption of drugs which I assume is widespread at these events?

Many people in the forums have spilled this onto the grid. Somebody that came onto my land to see a game I was working on told me "Oh I heard about you...".

So it's not just the forum 10 percent. That is misleading. This has spilled out even onto the public internet. I've been kicked out of two groups and people I have never met neg rate me. A variety of calling cards have been cancelled.

That is the fact of the matter. I've never cared what people in the forum thought. But when it moves off the forum and onto the grid, that's a different story. And it has.

The forums are a bad place. I never really thought that until this week.