Check out the NY Time article entitled "List of Schiavo Donors Will Be Sold by Direct-Marketing Firm". I couldn't believe it when I was told of this!
I am sure that they've got bills and what not, but is this the way to handle it?
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03-31-2005 09:33
Look however one needs to or cares to look at it, Terri's ordeal is over or was over a while ago, but her family's is going to continue, due to their own insistence, it appears.
Check out the NY Time article entitled "List of Schiavo Donors Will Be Sold by Direct-Marketing Firm". I couldn't believe it when I was told of this! I am sure that they've got bills and what not, but is this the way to handle it? _____________________
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03-31-2005 09:46
Look however one needs to or cares to look at it, Terri's ordeal is over or was over a while ago, but her family's is going to continue, due to their own insistence, it appears. Check out the NY Time article entitled "List of Schiavo Donors Will Be Sold by Direct-Marketing Firm". I couldn't believe it when I was told of this! I am sure that they've got bills and what not, but is this the way to handle it? Gives new meaning to the title "Schindler's List", doesn't it?  And the insanity continues. At least Terri is fully away from all this chaos.Blessings be with you, Terri. Regardless of what anyone thinks, we all agree that Peace is what you deserve. _____________________
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Lecktor Hannibal
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03-31-2005 09:57
Look however one needs to or cares to look at it, Terri's ordeal is over or was over a while ago, but her family's is going to continue, due to their own insistence, it appears. Check out the NY Time article entitled "List of Schiavo Donors Will Be Sold by Direct-Marketing Firm". I couldn't believe it when I was told of this! I am sure that they've got bills and what not, but is this the way to handle it? wow that makes me even sicker. glad I believed Michael from the start. _____________________
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Chip Midnight
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03-31-2005 10:02
I felt bad for the parents when I first heard about the case, but was so turned off by their crass behavior (hinting without evidence, that Michael had abused/strangled her, insisting he was motivated by money, selling the list of people who donated money to their cause to activist groups) that my sympathy has worn thin. Considering the fact that her thinking, consious brain died long ago, I suspect Teri has been at peace for years (and I'm not trying to be funny). I'm with you Olympia. I've been pretty disgusted by their selfishness and complete lack of empathy for their son in law... and their daughter for that matter. Would anyone want to go on living that way? If she was in any way aware that would be even more awful and in my opinion would be even more reason to let her go. They let their daughter be used as a political football because of their inability to deal with her loss. I think it was shameful. I'm glad it's over. _____________________
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03-31-2005 10:15
I am facing death myself I don’t know if you are a religious person but I want you to know that I will be praying for you Felicia. I pray that you have a full recovery and that whatever is wrong with you never happens again. May God be with you hon. _____________________
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Talen Morgan
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03-31-2005 10:18
I think her husband should have at least allowed her family in the room as she passed. I can understand why he didn't...as soon as she passed they would have probably attacked him for killing her. _____________________
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03-31-2005 10:19
I totally agree Feliciaa, very well said. On a side note, I wish you well
 Terry is in a wonderful place now I really believe that those of us who are left behind, are the selfish ones, for trying to keep her here in a place she doesn't know anymore. I don't believe that she would have wanted everyone in the world to make a big scene over her, I didn't know her of course. However if anyone ever puts me all over the news like that in that condition I will no doubt be very upset. I truelly believe that her husband did the right thing, let her go to a better place, I believe this is hell and when you die I believe it will be the most amazing thing. It's usually the people we leave behind that is the most hurt and sometimes they let that hurt get in the way of making the right decisions for us. I am facing death myself and when I found out, the first thing I did was say to my husband ok I Don't want to be kept alive artificially if there is no hope, I started going over all this stuff I wanted. Then all of the sudden this case came up and I found out that the husband is being ridicueled and poeple are acually showing her all over I was mortified that her wishes were not carried thru. The next thing I did was go make a real will. Because if anyone ever shows me all over the world when i'm sick like that, and trys to keep me in hell, when a better place is there waiting, and this is what I already asked of my husband, I dunno but I think I would have to find a way back to let everyone know that it was best and to make a will fgs. I know i'm going to get flamers from this. I will tell you I really don't care, because in my heart I know where i'm going when I die and I know it's a better place then this, especially when your quality of life is gone. Hugzz & Much Love Feliciaa _____________________
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03-31-2005 10:27
In Memory of Terri.... May the soul of the faithfully departed rest in peace....
Fel, ty for your very meaningful words. I admire your strength in a time where I am sure I would not measure up to your grace and poise. I can tell you this, I support all that you have poured out here. _____________________
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Isis Becquerel
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03-31-2005 10:35
After hearing of her final release from starvation and dehydration, I felt nothing but happiness as she is now in a much better place. Although we may all have differing opinions as to whether or not the courts, family members and physicians had the correct motives or the "right" answer concerning this issue, the question that persists in my mind is why we offer a humane death to animals and criminals yet choose to starve and dehydrate humans. I will likely never recieve a straight answer from gov-co regarding that crayon box full of shades-o-gray but I do hope that as a species of thinking critters we begin to question ourselves.
Peace be with you in your next life Terri. And Fel, You are in all of my prayers. _____________________
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03-31-2005 12:48
the question that persists in my mind is why we offer a humane death to animals and criminals yet choose to starve and dehydrate humans The same religious moralists that are screaming about "murdering her by starvation" are also the reason why doctors aren't allowed to use more humane methods. They're not allowed to take a life by direct action. They can only withold treatment. _____________________
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Lecktor Hannibal
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03-31-2005 12:52
Oh and isn't it funny (NOT) that we can euthanize dogs, cats and (horrors) death sentenced humans. (Well 'cepting FL, gawd bless ol sparky) And give them a final meal wish. We suck.
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03-31-2005 12:55
The same religious moralists that are screaming about "murdering her by starvation" are also the reason why doctors aren't allowed to use more humane methods. They're not allowed to take a life by direct action. They can only withold treatment. How about not flaming this thread Chip. It would be refreshing. _____________________
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Nolan Nash
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03-31-2005 13:00
I am happy that she is at peace now, but the media will milk this thing out forever. It's a sad state of affairs. Near where I live we just recently had the worst school killings since Columbine. Within a couple hours, CNN and other outlets ahd already coined their drama phrases. *RED LAKE RAMPAGE* and the like. They feed off of this shit because, unfortunately, people lick it up.
Ironically, my best friend's father-in-law passed away at 1:30 AM last night. He had an aneurism last week. He slipped into a vegetative state because of brain damage sustained through lack of oxygen to the brain. They removed the ventilator 2 days ago, at his spouses behest. He had no living will, and his family did not try to intervene and stop her from having the ventilator removed. The disparity between the Schiavo case and that of my friend's father-in-law just further reinforces to me (personally) that Schiavo's parents were thinking of themselves all these years. _____________________
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03-31-2005 13:03
Maybe we could all admit that none of us "really" knows if ANY of them had bad motives. It is quite possible that both sides thought they were doing the right thing. I see no need or productivity in tearing down either side. Let them be in peace won't you.
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03-31-2005 13:05
Maybe we could all admit that none of us "really" knows if ANY of them had bad motives. It is quite possible that both sides thought they were doing the right thing. I see no need or productivity in tearing down either side. Let them be in peace won't you. Well said Billy |
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Isis Becquerel
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03-31-2005 13:05
The same religious moralists that are screaming about "murdering her by starvation" are also the reason why doctors aren't allowed to use more humane methods. They're not allowed to take a life by direct action. They can only withold treatment. Therein lies the problem...On one hand it is inhumane to allow an animal to suffer in the back yard after being hit by a car but if it is a human somehow it is inhumane to stop their suffering in a similar manner. We opt to connect them to tubes and sustain body untill we decide to move then we unplug them only to cause them further suffering from a 10 day starvation. How is this moral? I just wonder if these same people who are for tubed life yet against a humane death are for or against the death penalty. Have they have ever had an animal "put down" (don't you love the phrase created to make it sound less like death) because the odds are against the animal living a full and productive life. It is my belief that as humans we owed Terri and the others in her same situation either sustanance via feeding tubes or a humane lethal injection. Bottom line the whole "she died of natural causes" shit is absurd. She was unnaturally sustained for years and then forced to suffer a ten day death which should have been executed in seconds. Ok off the soap box with me....Good to see ya again Chipper!!! _____________________
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03-31-2005 13:08
Maybe we could all admit that none of us "really" knows if ANY of them had bad motives. It is quite possible that both sides thought they were doing the right thing. I see no need or productivity in tearing down either side. Let them be in peace won't you. I do not believe anyone had some underlying devious motive in this debaucle but I do believe that the logic was flawed from the beginning of this mess and as a species we need to figure out what our perameters are in situations such as the Schaivo case. _____________________
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03-31-2005 13:24
I'm with you Olympia. I've been pretty disgusted by their selfishness and complete lack of empathy for their son in law... and their daughter for that matter. Would anyone want to go on living that way? If she was in any way aware that would be even more awful and in my opinion would be even more reason to let her go. They let their daughter be used as a political football because of their inability to deal with her loss. I think it was shameful. I'm glad it's over. I agree Chip. I sort of got the impression that they had less than their daughters best interest at heart when they turned full guardianship over to her husband after only having her in their home for two weeks early on and that was with his helping them. His becoming a nurse and caring for her was just hunky dory with them until her husband won the medical malpractice suit and then her father demanded money and when her husband told him to back off, the fight started. He seems like the sort that fights to the bitter end and things turned very vindictive when he started using his daughter like a football. The football stadium just got bigger when the guys like Randall Terry, the Catholic church, the media and the politicians got involved. All in all, the entire thing was a travesty and no one scored except for the lawyers, the politicians, the special interest groups and the media. Bunch of sick bastards. . _____________________
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Chip Midnight
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03-31-2005 13:26
How about not flaming this thread Chip. It would be refreshing. I'm not flaming Billy. I'm simply stating a fact. That's the reason why doctors aren't allowed to end such a life in a more humane way. _____________________
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Paolo Portocarrero
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03-31-2005 13:31
I do not believe anyone had some underlying devious motive in this debaucle but I do believe that the logic was flawed from the beginning of this mess and as a species we need to figure out what our perameters are in situations such as the Schaivo case. Yes, so true. Though, I would personally rather have gov-co err on the side of life, as I don't want some bureaucrat determining when to -- or not to -- pull the plug. On the other hand, I think that family case law needs to be reviewed and possibly updated to establish better procedures for mediating a dispute like the one between the Schindlers and Mr. Schiavo. _____________________
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03-31-2005 13:40
Before I get lost in thought, I'd like to point out the Irony here. Terri's condition was caused when she suffered some sort of attack (i cant remember if it was a stroke or something), which was caused by her Eating Disorder. Isnt it ironic, (I feel like Alanis Morriessette).. That a FEEDING tube was keeping her alive? Its a very jaded perception.. and probably has nothing to do with anything..
Aside from that - theres so much emotion involved.. in everyday of law school they teach us how to become detached from our emotions, we are to function as AMMORAL characters in an overall scheme of things (*theres a different between AMMORAL and IMMORAL). That when, Jeb pulled a few strings and the surpreme court ordered the tube to remain - if the situation had remained - the supreme court had opened serious flood gates allowing for ALL medical decisions to be heard at that level. Doctors would constantly be second guessed. In terms of family - its hard to separate yourself and make that right decision.. but I dont think Michael was wrong - who would know better than someones spouse what that person would have wished for. There is clear evidence that he refused million dollar settlement bribes from pro life activists.. To me this was not a man who acted in selfishness but rather compassion. Also, society tends to blur the lines between Ethuniasia and a case such as this. Ethunasia is assisted suicide - this was not. This was simply suspending the tube that artifiicially prolonged her life. _____________________
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Isis Becquerel
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03-31-2005 13:40
Yes, so true. Though, I would personally rather have gov-co err on the side of life, as I don't want some bureaucrat determining when to -- or not to -- pull the plug. On the other hand, I think that family case law needs to be reviewed and possibly updated to establish better procedures for mediating a dispute like the one between the Schindlers and Mr. Schiavo. I would rather gov co not err at all. We have on our DL whether or not we wish to donate our organs yet we do not have it specified whether or not we want to be kept alive via tubes, plugs and switches. This should and has been a wake up call to everyone that living wills are not for the old or the decrepid sorts but something we can and should all do before it is too late. There should also be further debate with regards to the legalities concerning a persons wish to die in a humane and pain free manner when faced with a tragedy such as Terri's. We need to get beyond the concept that such matters are some kind of pre-ordained suicide and start thinking of a persons right not to be forced to suffer when the possibility of self sustained life has been exhausted. _____________________
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03-31-2005 13:56
I would rather gov co not err at all. We have on our DL whether or not we wish to donate our organs yet we do not have it specified whether or not we want to be kept alive via tubes, plugs and switches. This should and has been a wake up call to everyone that living wills are not for the old or the decrepid sorts but something we can and should all do before it is too late. There should also be further debate with regards to the legalities concerning a persons wish to die in a humane and pain free manner when faced with a tragedy such as Terri's. We need to get beyond the concept that such matters are some kind of pre-ordained suicide and start thinking of a persons right not to be forced to suffer when the possibility of self sustained life has been exhausted. You hopeless dreamer, Isis. Gov-co not erring IS heaven. Problem is, no matter what decision gov-co makes, somebody is going to take it the wrong way or perceive it as a negative. The ultimate test, as I see it, is whether or not a decision like this enhances or detracts from a our collective ability to control our individual destinies. With that in mind, I honestly don't know which way the pendulum will ultimately swing WRT the Schiavo case._____________________
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Isis Becquerel
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03-31-2005 14:00
I am a dreamer and a romantic though my heart has been broken by both men and gov-co my soul will forever fight for love and freedom
 hehe that is about as poetic as the psychotropics will allow me to become at the moment...But I do agree and have the same concern regarding the swinging of the morality pendulum _____________________
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03-31-2005 14:03
I am a dreamer and a romantic though my heart has been broken by both men and gov-co my soul will forever fight for love and freedom hehe that is about as poetic as the psychotropics will allow me to become at the moment...But I do agree and have the same concern regarding the swinging of the morality pendulum Awwwww, you know, I didn't realize what a void you had left until you started posting again, Isis. I really really missed you, Isis. You are a kindred spirit, and I'm so glad you're back! _____________________
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