Otacon Falcone is a theif

He stole 750 dollars off of me dont do bussiness with this man. and guess what i found out? oh its not against community standards to steal. yet for soem reason somethign liek hurrasment is. its funny that stealing is alowed yet if you bug soemone you can get banned for it. what happened was we were paying him 1500 for mod rights and copy rights for a sheild thing he has. he didnt he gave us a version that had mod and copy unchecked and we gave it back and he left. thankfully we only gave him 750 of it before he gave the product or he would have gotten twice as much. just a warning to the good people of sl.

For some reason or another this person gave me back the item I sold him. Not my fault.

(I love his spelling Looks like Death Grace here got mommy to buy him an account)

Still, bad behavior on your part just tends to make him look good.

Problem is I wasnt in the wrong on this one. He gave me the item back after paying for it Its not my fault he didnt want it for some reason or another It was copy and moddable

Problem is: Did you ask him why he was upset enough to return it?
Problem is: He needs a refund .LOL
Your reputation as a merchant is at stake here.
If you can't refund, how about dropping it back into his inventory when he is online. Now that you have cleared up the mod status of the item.
None of the merchants I have done business with would ever let something like this hit the forums. It's a direct hit on your honesty.
Cheers and happy shopping!

I already did refund him o_O Before he posted this as a matter of fact and it was copy/mod in the first place

I need to clear up something here:

First, what Octacon did was technical right, but definitively morally and ethically wrong.

Second, because Octacon refused to refund money or provide the item he promised to sell, we in Slate have removed him from our group. We don't feel Octacon is a bad person, or a thief. Only that there is more to being technically right, and because Octacon couldn't see that, we have decided his actions do not reflect what we in Slate expect of our members.

Third, I refunded Death Grace the $750 from my pocket. I am sorry this happened, and I hope that Death and other's will see that the other members of Slate do not treat people in this manner.


Thanks!

First; Its spelled Otacon.
Second it wasnt techincally right
It was right

Death Grace, for some reason this name sounds familiar...
could it be the guy that harrasses people and judges them basaed on the color of thier Avatar? Please correct me if I am wrong..
If I am not... all I can say is HAHAHAHAHAHA

Hmm, yes, Death Grace does ring a bell as that guy that has a group that is exclusionary towards people of ethenticities different from his. Yes, that sounds morally and ethnically correct, as well, doesn't it Death.

What a retard.

o_O I remember now; You wouldnt let Kas in your group or something because she's black; Dude thats not cool..Racism is pretty stupid

/me cheers for Otacon

Racism is stupid.


edit: bah, name spelling errors

Sorry, Octagon. Noone can seem to spell your name right.

Yeah, Oregon is totally right, racism sucks. I'm going to believe Oreo's story over your's, Death.

Three cheers for Oregano!

If both Otacon and Bob have paid him, doesn't he have his money twice over already? And instead of paying him why didn't Otacon just set the shield to mod and copy again and give it to him again? Sometimes the settings on things don't stay when you hand them to someone instead of selling them.

Speaking of selling, this whole thing would have been avoided had Death had Otacon set the shield on the ground and set it mod, copy and for sale at 1500. That way it could be checked before purchased and none of this crap would be an issue. Especially if you didn't trust him enough to pay the full amount at once in the first place.



Translation: Why don't the Lindens tolerate my racist banter? It's just not fair! /cry

I really think this thread is being hijacked, and quite frankly, no matter what Death Grace may have done in the past, doesn't excuse what happened between he/she and Otacon.

Let's save the "racism" remarks for a different rant, where they belong. This thread is focused on Otacon and his actions.



Thanks!

Actually, I think it's focused just as much on Death actions as Otacon's. The past racist and anti-semetic remarks are not off-topic; they are being used to show how credible Death is.

I'm still siding with Otacon on this -- I see no proof that Otacon didn't repay Death. However, I see racist, anti-semetic user, who is, in my opinion, trying to (and as far as I can see, has successfully) get people to give him money.

(end rant)

okaaaay ...

hey, pay half, get object half-assed.

next time, if you have a complaint try a little more peaceful approach to correct the problem instead of a "you wronged me! i curse you and all your kin!" blubbering. and haven't you heard of an honest mistake?

and 'O': customer's always right. next time try alittle more courtesy, a little more humility. even if you know you're dealing with a belligerent idiot.

Isn't that what threads are for?

Shame on us! We must direct our name calling, booing and "tisks tisks" where we are told and not let them fly all over the place. Or Bob can realize that the people in the forums are like a thousand marbles, once you let them loose you can only hope they roll in the right direction. And some will defy physics just to piss you off.

And what the big deal, he got his money back. Twice over if Otacon is telling the truth and while he is a bit annoying and can't pay attention to anything for more than 6 seconds I haven't known him to be a liar or a thief.

Uh..Thanks ^_^

Concerning the need to show Credability, I point you to Otacon's own post in this matter. As soon as he admitted to doing what he's accused of, there no longer needs to be any search on credability.

Concerning Otacon's supposed action of repaying Death Grace, I have a log file where Otacon has said he will not repay Death Grace nor shall he give Death the shield as he said he would. I suppose if you want I'll share that log with you in-game, all you need to do is ask.

Lastly, while it's well within your rights to hijack a thread, I was merely pointing out that this thread isn't about Death Grace and any past alleged occurences of racism. This thread is about Otacon not acting in an appropriate manner when dealing with a customer.

I know Otacon well, I won't call him a thief in this matter, but I will say his actions were inappropriate and he should have either refunded Death's money or given him the object he promised to sell him. Until Death Grace says he's been paid back by Otacon, I will continue to believe Otacon hasn't repaid him, simply because I have a log where Otacon states he won't repay him. Otacon is well liked and I like him too. But his actions proved to me that he isn't the kind of person we would want in the Slate Group. In no way does that mean that I think Otacon is less of a person, or that I dislike him. This only means that in Slate, we hold ourselves to a higher standard then what Otacon has chosen to hold himself to.




Thanks!

By log file you mean you have a notecard which supposedly is pasted from the chat history?

Oh, well if that's evidence, I have a logfile of Philip Linden claiming he would transfer ownership of every sim on the grid to me by this time next week.



Inappropriate behaviour is all relative, though, Bob, isn't it?
See, I thought it was inappropriate when, having never laid eyes on me once in SL, you triple-negged me without explanation.

And yeah, I did triple neg you back for it. Whoever the hell you are. But I'm not the one spouting off about high standards with a holier-than-thou attitude.

Sorry for the thread hijack, btw, since it's obviously irrelavent to bring up any point about your character and behaviour in a thread where you are talking about what's appropriate behaviour and what isn't.

Your turn. This could get interesting

Well, since I don't remember neg-rating you, I can only assume I was mistaken. That will be fixed this evening when I log in.

I will be happy to post the notecard to you, and you can ask Otacon is that's what he said or not.

Behaviuor isn't relative, there is good and bad behaviour, if you insist it be relative to everyone, then I assume you to be an anarchist and you also don't believe that there are any absolute truths either. Of course, if you believe there are no absolute truths, then you believe in an absolute truth and you call your own logic flawed.



Thanks!

Well if a seller chooses to fubar their reputation for all time by not simply throwing the item back at the customer or giving what the customer requested, or even attempt thereof, it can pretty much be the same as stealing as they haven't even given a try at trying to solve the problem but simple gone 'oh well' and walked off.

It's kinda like walking into a store and see you someone pocketing some stuff yet you just turn your head. While its not stealing, its the fact you know its been done and chose to not do anything. Kind of like haboring or whatever its called. Doesn't mean you stole but doesn't make any more right by shrugging and doing nothing about it.

But this isn't the first time a 'seller' has acted in such a manner, or a 'buyer' for that matter in the same.