Last time I checked, you wait until you are more votes ahead of your opponent than votes left to tally before you declare a "landslide".
CNN: "If you are waking up this hour, it is no: No winner yet."
At stake:
- up to 260,000 provisional ballots in Ohio not counted
- voting problems that PREVENTED THE FINISH OF REGULAR VOTING in Iowa in a slim lead (which Bush's campaign say was a landslide)
- a very close race in New Mexico where the state's officials say vote counting will end later today.
The audacity of the Bush campaign to declare victory:
(a) before the opponent has admitted defeat
(b) before all the votes have been counted
... is just a spit in the face of the democratic process. Once again, Bush is clearly more interested in his victory than the voice of the people.
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11-03-2004 03:14
BBush is clearly more interested in his victory than the voice of the people. And you are obviously most interested in stirring the shitpot as my father says. The Dems have lost.. deal with it. |
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11-03-2004 03:17
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11-03-2004 03:19
And you are obviously most interested in stirring the shitpot as my father says. The Dems have lost.. deal with it. That's called begging the question. I asserted "Bush (The Republicans) have not won because of reason XYZ". You then say, "No, you're wrong." without addressing reason XYZ. If you'd like, you may give a nice counter-statement to the reason I provided, otherwise I'd say you're just being your usual. _____________________
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11-03-2004 03:21
Let's invade america! hahah , I'll sit on the sidelines and watch  On a side note: Man all the huballoo going on again -- why can't they just WAIT AND COUNT? For fucks sake this shit isn't rocket science! And if we're all wrapped up in the instant gratification of the technological age, upgrade the friggin voting system to give instant results.. If I can talk to Aunt Gracie in Buttfuck Nebraska whenever I like, and be charged by the millisecond - why can't there be a voting system in realtime -- with absentee ballots... This shit baffles me sometimes. Siggy. _____________________
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Korg Stygian
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11-03-2004 03:26
That's called begging the question.QUOTE] You know.. people like you are more amusing than dangerous - especially to those of us who teach logic and argumentation as a profession. I do. You routinely pull out your freshman rhetorical argument book, it seems, and try to find some term for whatever strikes your fancy as something to respond to. Usually I nearly fall off my chair laughing at you. More and more often your pale attempts to appear academic just garner pity from me. People like you, with argumentative tactics like yours, are the reason that people like me will have jobs forever. That is not an ad hominem, Hiro. That's a professional opinion for which I usually get paid by the hour as well as some psychologists that I know. You might want to consider it... I am usually not free with professional advice like this ---- so here it is... take your ball, go home, crawl i nbed, and cry yourself to sleep. You don't know wha you are talking about... as usual. |
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11-03-2004 03:33
That's called begging the question.QUOTE] You know.. people like you are more amusing than dangerous - especially to those of us who teach logic and argumentation as a profession. I do. You routinely pull out your freshman rhetorical argument book, it seems, and try to find some term for whatever strikes your fancy as something to respond to. Usually I nearly fall off my chair laughing at you. More and more often your pale attempts to appear academic just garner pity from me. People like you, with argumentative tactics like yours, are the reason that people like me will have jobs forever. That is not an ad hominem, Hiro. That's a professional opinion for which I usually get paid by the hour as well as some psychologists that I know. You might want to consider it... I am usually not free with professional advice like this ---- so here it is... take your ball, go home, crawl i nbed, and cry yourself to sleep. You don't know wha you are talking about... as usual. Then you should know that you were begging the question. Appeal to authority. Just because you are a professional teacher doesn't make you correct. For the record, you have no idea what background I have and so no only are your attacks on me clearly ad hominem but also hasty generalizations. Address my evidence. I'm not going to sink to insulting you. I don't have to. _____________________
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11-03-2004 03:36
hahah , I'll sit on the sidelines and watch On a side note: Man all the huballoo going on again -- why can't they just WAIT AND COUNT? For fucks sake this shit isn't rocket science! And if we're all wrapped up in the instant gratification of the technological age, upgrade the friggin voting system to give instant results.. If I can talk to Aunt Gracie in Buttfuck Nebraska whenever I like, and be charged by the millisecond - why can't there be a voting system in realtime -- with absentee ballots... This shit baffles me sometimes. Siggy. Haha I'm with you on this one Siggy. I am curious as where the data for this thread title was found. For the life of me I missed the landslide declaration. Looks to me like it is still tight with an electoral vote still needed. I still love you all  _____________________
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Korg Stygian
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11-03-2004 03:40
Then you should know that you were begging the question. Appeal to authority. Just because you are a professional teacher doesn't make you correct. 1. Wrong application of ther term.. repeating it does not make it right.. and you are not paying me to tell you ho wyou got it wrong. So, you figure it out. 2. Wrong ... no authority applied to in my first post in this thread... a simple yet perhaps lengthy statement of my understanding of your problems and a small bit of detail about my own qualifications for holding such a poor opinion of your argumentation skills so that you understand that it isn't personal - it's a professional opinion. 3. /me holds up the mirror to Hiro-the-wannabeaHero yet again..."just because you says so" doesn't make it so either. Go away. |
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Hiro Pendragon
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11-03-2004 03:46
1. Wrong application of ther term.. repeating it does not make it right.. and you are not paying me to tell you ho wyou got it wrong. So, you figure it out. 2. Wrong ... no authority applied to in my first post in this thread... a simple yet perhaps lengthy statement of my understanding of your problems and a small bit of detail about my own qualifications for holding such a poor opinion of your argumentation skills so that you understand that it isn't personal - it's a professional opinion. 3. /me holds up the mirror to Hiro-the-wannabeaHero yet again..."just because you says so" doesn't make it so either. Go away. 1. Once again, begging the question. Just because you disagree with my analysis doesn't mean you're instantly correct. Attack my evidence, not me. 2. Ah, yes, you clearly understand my problems. *pause* BWAHAAHAHAHAHAH that's rich, dude. 3. You're correct. Only I present evidence that you continually avoid. Votes have not all been counted. If you wish to say that doesn't matter, you're welcome to. Just please try and make a good argument for that. There's nothing wrong with you expressing your opinion. In fact, I'll do it for you. "Hiro, just because all the votes haven't been counted yet doesn't mean that Bush hasn't won." You're absolutely correct, Korg. But my point was that never before has a President been so rude and audacious to prematurely call the election before losing candidate concedes. I am not necessarily saying Kerry didn't lose; what I am saying is that, in layman's terms, Bush is the biggest sore winner President in history, by lack of precedent. _____________________
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11-03-2004 03:52
If you wish to say that doesn't matter, you're welcome to. Just please try and make a good argument for that. There's nothing wrong with you expressing your opinion. In fact, I'll do it for you. "Hiro, just because all the votes haven't been counted yet doesn't mean that Bush hasn't won." You're absolutely correct, Korg. But my point was that never before has a President been so rude and audacious to prematurely call the election before losing candidate concedes. I am not necessarily saying Kerry didn't lose; what I am saying is that, in layman's terms, Bush is the biggest sore loser President in history, by lack of precedent. End of argument. You have just ventured into the realm of schizophrenia - assuming a new personality and arguing with yourself and declaring one personality a winner over another... but continuing (or attempting to) the argument. That is sad. Simply sad. You truly have my pity now... Fools are subject to disdain. The ignorant can, perhaps, be educated. Crazies, however, can only be pitied. |
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End of argument. You have just ventured into the realm of schizophrenia - assuming a new personality and arguing with yourself and declaring one personality a winner over another... but continuing (or attempting to) the argument. That is sad. Simply sad. You truly have my pity now... Fools are subject to disdain. The ignorant can, perhaps, be educated. Crazies, however, can only be pitied. First of all, ad hominem again. Second, you're confusing schitzophrenia with disassociative identity disorder, more commonly referred to multiple personality disorder. If you'd like to learn more about schitzophrenia, there's a wonderful build hallucinations... something. Was really good. Third, I think you'll find yourself incorrect, again. My original post is a standard syllogism: I present pieces of evidence and then draw a conclusion. My conclusion, at the bottom, was about Bush's audacity. _____________________
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11-03-2004 03:58
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11-03-2004 04:00
Kind of reminds me of a certain declaration of weapons of mass destruction.
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Malachi Petunia
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11-03-2004 04:04
I note with all possible humor (and a bit of sarcasm) that Bush had also declared victory in Iraq a bit prematurely as well. I give it a few months before the lawyers and parties finish their multitudinous wranglings. I keep waiting for the headline "World's Countries Paralyzed by Laughter".
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Talen Morgan
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11-03-2004 04:08
As of yet Bush has Not declared victory....just because others have stated he has won does not mean that he has declared shit.
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11-03-2004 05:03
Thank you Talen !!
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Hiro Pendragon
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11-03-2004 05:34
As of yet Bush has Not declared victory....just because others have stated he has won does not mean that he has declared shit. even though it was his White House Chief of Staff in an official statement representing the White House and the President? _____________________
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11-03-2004 05:36
even though it was his White House Chief of Staff in an official statement representing the White House and the President? It's sad, very sad, that you can even QUoTE the rebuttal to your own argument and STILL not see it... HIS WHITE HOUSE CoS... is NOT BUSH. |
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11-03-2004 05:39
It's sad, very sad, that you can even QUoTE the rebuttal to your own argument and STILL not see it... HIS WHITE HOUSE CoS... is NOT BUSH. Yes. You're absolutely right. And if indeed that's not Bush's intended statement, I'm sure he will be reprimanded in the morning for speaking for Bush incorrectly. _____________________
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11-03-2004 05:40
even though it was his White House Chief of Staff in an official statement representing the White House and the President? Let 'em enjoy these last couple weeks. It'll be like 12 years before they win again. _____________________
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Hiro Pendragon
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11-03-2004 05:43
Let 'em enjoy these last couple weeks. It'll be like 12 years before they win again. Ha! Funny Though, I think we could even start a new thread - I think McCain in 2008 is a sure thing. _____________________
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11-03-2004 05:48
Let 'em enjoy these last couple weeks. It'll be like 12 years before they win again. OMG. I can't wait until Hilary runs... squash.. then who? A Kennedy? You have to be kidding. Dascle certainly can't run after his ignomineous defeat. Who have the Dems got in the wings? Hell. I think I could get elected before a Dem could in the next 12 years.! 12 more years of Republican presidents... at least, or so it seems to me. |
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11-03-2004 06:44
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Dan Medici
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11-03-2004 06:48
Bush NEVER claimed that he won. I think some of his advisors said that they are in a good position in the election, but Bush has NEVER even been on TV since before the election results started to come in. Stop making shit up.
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