In-Game Racisim
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Aliena Serpentine
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04-29-2004 13:11
Well the initial question is relevant....the actions that took place to bring the question about are just illogical rants from illogical minds....
People yelling racial epithets amongst themselves is not and should not be illegal...deemed moronic yes illegal no. Harrasment of any sort on the other hand is illegal. If you were just walking by and a group of people started following you shouting racial slurs then yes that is illegal...that is harrasment...that is unethical. But people being racist...well those of lesser intelligence need a way to differentiate themselves from other groups and the most obvious way is by color. It is far easier to hate someone based on color than it is to hate based on rational, logical thinking or on an individual basis.
Broad generalization of any sort hold as much water as a cheese cloth mug. And those who make them usually have the IQ of a cheese cloth mug. They never cease to show their true selves and we are better for it. So long as they are loud and obnoxious we know who they are and where they are....it is when they are silent that we need to worry.
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MaryJane Sunshine
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04-29-2004 14:39
Errnesto, For a noob you certainly found the report abuse feature pretty quick. Did you even realize there's a mute feature as well? I suggest you use this next time instead of filing multiple abuse reports. Although I can't condone this behavior.. I can tell you I've heard alot worse than you have and never felt the need to report anyone for comments they've made in world.. nor will I ever. SL is huge now you can always mute someone & go about your business elsewhere if your not paticularily fond of the conversation topic. Also it sounds to me like you were just as bad as the people you reported... you not only provoked them but you even had the audacity to go back for more. In general Jessians don't take kindly to that sort of shit so beware of the consequences. Flame me if you want I simply don't care. I'm just sick of hearing people whine & cry about things said in world when there are features inplace to prevent you from hearing someone all together. Done with my rant here... P.S. Kenny hope you get back in soon. Your the only real victim from what I can tell 
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Kasandra Morgan
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04-29-2004 14:42
From: someone Hitler was a socialist. Hitler was a man, therefore men are evil. Hitler was white, therefore white people are evil. Hitler was a politician, therefore politicians are evil. Hitler was short, therefore short people are evil. Hitler had facial hair, therefore people with facial hair are evil Hitler could drive, therefore people who can drive are evil. So even if we agree that Hitler is a communist or not where are we going with this?
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Kasandra Morgan
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04-29-2004 14:44
From: someone Flame me if you want I simply don't care. I'm just sick of hearing people whine & cry about things said in world when there are features inplace to prevent you from hearing someone all together. Mute is crap. You can get around it by messaging the person while they are offline or having and object repeat what you say.
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MaryJane Sunshine
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04-29-2004 15:01
From: someone Originally posted by Kasandra Morgan Mute is crap. You can get around it by messaging the person while they are offline or having and object repeat what you say. Im assuming the offline thing is a bug they will fix & thats only if you have your offline IM's goin to your email?or no? I dunno just guessin on that one and well you could have an object repeat what you say but most people aren't going to go to that extent just to annoy someone. I really think in this situation specifically & in atleast 95% of cases its used the mute feature does do what its suppose to.
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Kasandra Morgan
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04-29-2004 15:13
Ha...I have used mute twice ever. That is how I found out about those 2 ways around it. Cause I failed to really "mute" anyone.
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Devlin Gallant
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04-29-2004 16:16
From: someone Originally posted by Kasandra Morgan Mute is crap. You can get around it by messaging the person while they are offline or having and object repeat what you say. You can also mute the object. Almost all the entrys on my mute list are objects.
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chaunsey Crash
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04-29-2004 18:14
From: someone Originally posted by Shepra Zapata OKay Dude maybe your not understaning what I was saying let M-E clearify it Hitler was rascist as I am sayin are the members in WWII are being- I see in no way how this in any way has anything to do with your grandfather and no Communism does not equal racism What I was trying to state is that first Hitlers communistic party was founded are very racial points-Hence he was killin off everyone execpt perfect white people- it is a extreme of Racism in which relivates to what the group choses to call them selves- the group in SL- in no way does this have a foundation within the actual opinions on those in the real world war who opposed hitler-I am in no way siding any RL accounts with hitler- As far as SL is considered yes A lot of -!"WWII SL GROUP"!-(just so that stands out) seem to have a seemingly close hitler/nazi veiw about things maybe not all but most- from my personal encounters in the past they don't seem they want to change this look that others have of them either Excuse me? I've never so much as met you,we are a group of over 60 members too,in beta we had over 130 members,dont even try to tell me you've met the "alot of" that you claim are nazi's. none of our members are nazi's in any way,we are named the wwIIolers because we come from the online war simulation world war 2 online,and as such most of our members are aswell very much reverent of the sacrifices made in WWII,more so then your average person i would guess as most have a personal interest in the whole subject. also you seem to be complaining that you got shot by wwIIolers before aswell,well guess what,thats what happens in jessie,people get shot,its nothing personal its not malicious. i get shot more then almost everyone ion SL because i live there. please educate yourself on the issues at hand nd people involved before you go calling poeople you've never met nazi's,that kind of ignorant behavior has caused many problems in SL and continues to.
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Darwin Appleby
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04-29-2004 18:54
I forgot what the law was called exactly, but what it stated was that, the more heated the debate in a thread, the more likely Hitler is to be brought up.
BACK TO THE ORIGINAL TOPIC NOW...
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David Cartier
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04-29-2004 19:11
During the 1930s Hitler was very much the socialist champion of the workers. So was Mussolini in Italy and Peron in Argentina later on. Socialists aren't always um socially progressive in their thinking. The annual vacation - affordable vacations in general - is in large part a creation of Hitler's Nazi Party, and the Civil Conservation Corps and other organizations that were formed in the US during the Depression were inspired by things that were being done in Germany to keep people employed and fed. From: someone Originally posted by Selador Cellardoor <<Hitler was a socialist.>>
I sometimes think I've somehow wandered into a parallel dimension.
Hitler certainly joined, and subsequently took over, the National Socialist Party simply from expediency, but his whole political philosophy and subsequent career was very much on the extreme right. Of course, it's a valid point to say that the two extremes of political thought do tend to meet. But Hitler was a totalitarian fascist.
The only other person I've heard make this claim was an American who also thought the British National Health Service was one of the greatest evils of modern life, and who claimed that Margaret Thatcher, too, was a socialist.
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Neehai Zapata
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04-30-2004 07:46
From: someone Flame me if you want I simply don't care. I'm just sick of hearing people whine & cry about things said in world when there are features inplace to prevent you from hearing someone all together. Ha! If you think i would simply mute someone spewing hate speech, you are insane. Racists are simple-minded people who make life more difficult for the rest of us. They've earned far more than a simple muting.
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Code Smith
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04-30-2004 08:08
From: someone Originally posted by Darwin Appleby I forgot what the law was called exactly, but what it stated was that, the more heated the debate in a thread, the more likely Hitler is to be brought up.
BACK TO THE ORIGINAL TOPIC NOW... Godwin's Law prov. [Usenet] "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. However there is also a widely- recognized codicil that any intentional triggering of Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful.
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MaryJane Sunshine
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04-30-2004 11:41
From: someone Originally posted by Neehai Zapata Ha!
If you think i would simply mute someone spewing hate speech, you are insane.
Racists are simple-minded people who make life more difficult for the rest of us. They've earned far more than a simple muting. Please do tell what would you do? Spam everyone? Fling a few racist comments back? & then proceed to file abuse reports? From what I gather this guy was no saint himself & should have muted them & walked away. Instead he got atleast three people banned & was no doubt provoking them the whole time. Once again I can't say I approve of this behavior but this did take place in Jessie. I mean cmon what do you expect? Your not going to find the most politically correct people hanging around there.
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Errnesto Zapata
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04-30-2004 15:12
saying i provoked people to racisim is saying like women provoke men to rape but for the fact , no i didnt provoke anyone, i was sitting on top of a hut watching someone build a bunker when the first incident happened.
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Kaya Khan
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04-30-2004 18:21
Kano isn't racist, I saw him wearing a shirt that says "I [heart] all races." We chatted alot and he was cool, He gave me a shirt and went on his way. He apparently isn't racist and from what I understand he loves Italians. Ernesto I heard alot of bad stuff about you and alot of bad stuff about Kano. Who knows?
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Darwin Appleby
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04-30-2004 20:58
Let's say I wear a shirt that says "I love all computers." I do, in fact, love Alienwares.Does this mean I can't hate Dells with every fiber of my being?
Goodness, so much trust.
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Errnesto Zapata
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05-01-2004 03:14
From: someone Originally posted by Kaya Khan Kano isn't racist, I saw him wearing a shirt that says "I [heart] all races." We chatted alot and he was cool, He gave me a shirt and went on his way. He apparently isn't racist and from what I understand he loves Italians. Ernesto I heard alot of bad stuff about you and alot of bad stuff about Kano. Who knows? Seeing as you have 1 post , i am highly skeptical. And maybe you should go ask the lindens for the chat log which was about 15 lines of racist spam. Oh and what bad things have you heard about me exactly. Go away
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MaryJane Sunshine
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05-01-2004 08:27
From: someone Originally posted by Errnesto Zapata saying i provoked people to racisim is saying like women provoke men to rape You sound like a real classy kind of guy. You not only quoted the racist statments multiple times for all to see but you continue to make comments like this. Yeah mmhmm I fail to believe your a innocent victim.. sorry "One of the greatest delusions in the world is the hope that the evils in this world are to be cured by legislation." Thomas B. Reed
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Kenny Zapata
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05-01-2004 10:16
From: someone Originally posted by Darwin Appleby Let's say I wear a shirt that says "I love all computers." I do, in fact, love Alienwares.Does this mean I can't hate Dells with every fiber of my being? I hate alienwares, dells, gateways, hps, compaqs, and any sort of prebuilt what so ever. I've had to work on one of every type. I found everything from shoddy workmanship, cheap parts, and stupid placement or configuration. I need a shirt that says I hate almost all computers 
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Errnesto Zapata
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05-01-2004 11:39
From: someone Originally posted by MaryJane Sunshine You sound like a real classy kind of guy. You not only quoted the racist statments multiple times for all to see but you continue to make comments like this.
Yeah mmhmm I fail to believe your a innocent victim.. sorry
"One of the greatest delusions in the world is the hope that the evils in this world are to be cured by legislation." Thomas B. Reed I do not have the chat log , it wasnt letting me copy multiple lines of text from second life into notepad. I ticked the include chat log box, therefore the lindens have it. They banned him because he was being racist, and the fact that your even trying to justify racisim is stupid. You can fail to believe what you like , once you have some facts you can come back here.
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Kenny Zapata
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05-01-2004 22:19
Nothing in her post says anything about her support of racism. She simply stated that for all the whining you seem be doing over this you keep harping on it and making idiotic comments like the one about rape. Only she was a heck of alot nicer in putting it than I was.
Now...I'm putting aside the nonsense of being accidently banned because in all accounts that settles back to being totally Kano's fault. You were within your rights to report him, that is not what I'm debating. What I'm really getting annoyed with about you is the fact you seem to be using this to grab up as much attention as you possibly can squeeze out of this incident. Why else get 3 people banned, and then come here to start a rant about it when what you wanted was accomplished? To complain about getting tossed out of the WWIIonliners? You got two members of that were friends of the founders banned. Even if you didn't start it you still shouldn't be suprised to get tossed out. Friends do stick together, it's called loyalty.
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Errnesto Zapata
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05-03-2004 12:23
Racists are no friends of mine
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Devlin Gallant
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05-03-2004 18:49
Minors don't belong here.
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Errnesto Zapata
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05-18-2004 04:42
Minors ? oh yea thats right im 17 , so i cant play  I would actually re sub my account in 2 months when i turn 18 but i cant be bothered because this so called "game" sucks. Back to the point, racists dont belong here.
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MaryJane Sunshine
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05-18-2004 16:52
From: someone Originally posted by Errnesto Zapata
I would actually re sub my account in 2 months when i turn 18 but i cant be bothered because this so called "game" sucks.
Back to the point, racists dont belong here. Yeah this so called "game" sucks. You know what seems to me you don't belong here anyways.. ToS wise amongst other things.. Don't let the door hit yer ass on the way out 
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