In-Game Racisim

So what are your feelings on this matter ?

I was a member of the WWIIOnline group, however i get a member who made racist statments in the public second life world temporarily banned and im ejected from the group. Seeing as its full of racists and they love to defend them.

So before leaving i dropped 20 cabins on their land , pathetic but justified imho, ban me if you wish.

They argued racisim is under freespeach which in my opinion is rubbish, in most countries racist harrasment is a crime and making statments like "all blacks are scum" is uncalled for.

where do you all stand on this matter ?

(oh and would anyone like to let me pitch on their land seeing as i've been evicted )

I think any type of racism is uncalled for, and yes in some states it is illegal. If I am not mistaken it is very bannable in SL as well..

Errnesto I'm not sure i understand you.

Are you saying that another group member was making racist comments and you were ejected from the group for NOT making racist comments, or for disagreeing with them?

Racism or any form of discrimination is not tolerable at all. I think you are better off without these people. There are hundreds if not thousand of great people in SL to hang out with. Feel free to IM me in world anytime.

Hmm, so WWIIOLaholocs = racists?

Working in T.V. I can honestly say that the answer to this is not arguing with them or even trying to silence them... hear me out on this one..

.. every time I've had to put to air some half-assed rhetoric from groups like the KKK (in the case of their sponsoring a highway -- then later having the same highway renamed the Rosa Parks memorial freeway -- HHAHAHA - but I digress)
I've heard nothing but comments like 'F**kwads like this EXIST?' and the sad answer is 'yes'

Seems you can't keep em on the podium of the masses for more than 2 minutes without them making complete asses of themselves, and showing the world the depths of their ignorance...

With that in mind I think we should round them all up and give them their own TV show -- 1 hour long , airing after friends or something every single night. Let em say whatever they like!

If that don't put racism in the casket after a month or so I don't know what will

Ultimately with groups like that the biggest enemy is themselves - and the biggest influence to educate against them is the sound of their own rhetoric -- VIVA FREE SPEECH!

Siggy.

I was an unfortunate victim of the bannings in this incident. I have a static IP that I use to run a database server off for a larger site, my brother, Kano Khan, was one of the banned and they banned the IP address. I'm very mad at him for getting banned and Linden Labs for banning an IP without looking into IP addresses before doing a general banning. I had things I wanted to do tonight but now I can't because it will be until tomorrow morning before I get back in. And before anyone makes a remark, I am not my brother's keeper.

Ernesto, I am looking at a screenshot on my brother's pc where you call someone a 'raghead'. That is a racist remark. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Devlin, the WWIIonliners aren't all racists. I enjoy talking to a few when I venture into Jessie.

First off i would like to say that the wwIIolers group does not in anyway support racism.

Now I was'nt on when everything happened but as I've heard and seen,another officer booted you because you started spamming and you started calling everyone racists and insulting everyone even people you had no problems with.

If you had a problem with another member you should have talked to me about it before spamming MY personal land to get back immaturely at someone else.

I also am hearing about you yourself using a derogatory term for an arab against one of our members which was reported to the lindens aswell as you calling everyone "f@g" and such.

Again if you had a problem with someone you should have just reported it and talked to me about it,not stoop to their level and spam my personal land.

We're also a group of ove 60 members now I believe,dont go generalizing everyone over the actions of on or two,ALL groups of a good size have their bad apples.


EDITorry to hear you got trouble for your brother kenny :-/
btw i'd also like to point out that kano is NOT a wwIIoler,and it seems ernesto went off on some of my guys due to kano's actions.

sorry thats total rubbish what happend was this.

I called him a racist he then said "OH IM A F*** RACIST AM I , THATS WHY IM AN ARAB ?" i then said something similar to "well why do you support raicisim , as im sure people must attack youwith it , how would you like it if someone called you a raghead?"

I was just being ornery.

Actually firstly i reported polize bismark.

I came into game the next day (this morning and fly over to the house that booyah and a few other peope were in)

i am greeted so greatly with "OMG FAG U GOT HIS ACCOUNT BANNED, kahn then procced to spout a ton of racist remarks in capitals over multiple lines such as "deleted by an administrator. Just because you are quoting someone doesn't make it right to quote speech which violtaes our forums policy)""

So then im called a traitor for getting his account banned, its not traitorisim its actually illegal in some states and countries and im sure its against TOS of the game.

I started spamming primarily in an attempt to block the sentry gun that was set up to kill me whenever i spawned in. It didnt work however and i have now deleted evreything.

btw about the racism in real life,in real life it IS protected by free speech,free speech means tolerating EVERYONE no matter what opposing opinon or beliefs.

if you try to make things like racism illegal then them simply being alive believing what they do becomes illegal and you end up with militants causing problems.

it basicaly comes down to this,i may be absolutely disgusted with a persons beliefs,but if it came down to defending my/our rights i would die for that persons right to say it.

just like our soldiers die to protect the rights of the kinds of people who wish death on them.

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." --Thomas Jefferson

its partially illegall , racial harrasment is against the law as is racial discrimination, for gaining jobs e.t.c

However its obviously against TOS otherwise they wouldnt have been banned, and i find it damn stupid that jack hurst sets up a turret to kill me because hes bitter at being caught making racist comments (i ticked the box include chat log jack so dont lie and said you never made any racist comments)

(he has 2 accounts)

Ya know for a group using the name WWII I am supposing it stands for world war 2- First you should just be ashamed You put a bad name upon all who died to protect this country from Communistic minds that support such scum views-second your group is known through out the whole entire SL world for its racist views your people are niether very nice nor very honorable to your country-which I am sure that most of you live in some part of the US or a side that opposed hitler.
Lastly I have had my run ins with your group and I was entirly offened From an officer of your group shouting Gay slurs in the cordova sandbox and when I first arrived in SL one of your nasty little people knocked me all the way across a sim for no reason. And just on a quick not don't any of you WWII members tell me you fought in the real World War don't disgrace the soliers any more then you already have.

ooooooh...I'm sorry

Then maybe it's an edited screenshot, that's certainly plausible given Kano's pc ability. Still, he is my brother. I tend to trust him more than someone I don't know.

I can't speak for all the WWIIonliners but I know Fueltanker and Kano (who I knew isn't a WWIIonliner but hangs out in jessie) enough to tell you they aren't racist. I know actions speak louder than words but in an online community a person is able to be someone else. Just as in RL Fuel isn't a 4 foot tall gary coleman look alike, nor Kano Agent 47 from Hitman. They do it because it amuses them, I have told them and will keep telling them it isn't right or polite but it never does any good. My good influences only stretch so far

I completely agree with Shepra...the way some (very few) of the WWIIonliners act is disgraceful to all the people, axis and allied, who gave their lives for what they believed in. In their view they are using WWII because they play the video game WWII online, I don't believe they chose it just because it would make people feel that way. Many of the WWII aren't as bad as everyone makes them out to be, but some I'd rather shoot on sight than talk to. As Chaunsey said, there are bad apples.

I'm sorry Errnesto, but I've heard too many stories that conflict with yours to believe you were totally innocent in this exchange. I don't believe in reporting people because I hear something I don't like. Now, if someone came up and started harrassing me with foul language and racist remarks I can see where you'd report them (I just leave or ignore them...people can't bother me easily). I've only reported one person, but that was for a malfunctioning turret that kept me out of Rausch where I wanted to build.

I certainly hope they restore my SL access tomorrow. I was looking forward to finishing Destro :|

"Communistic Minds"???

Since when does communisim = racism for a start..

And I hope it doesn't equate to 'siding with Hitler' - because if I remember history correctly (and actual recounts from my own Russian grandfather) they held the eastern front.....

Talk about knee jerk reactions to knee jerk reactions...

Siggy

OKay Dude maybe your not understaning what I was saying let M-E clearify it Hitler was rascist as I am sayin are the members in WWII are being- I see in no way how this in any way has anything to do with your grandfather and no Communism does not equal racism What I was trying to state is that first Hitlers communistic party was founded are very racial points-Hence he was killin off everyone execpt perfect white people- it is a extreme of Racism in which relivates to what the group choses to call them selves- the group in SL- in no way does this have a foundation within the actual opinions on those in the real world war who opposed hitler-I am in no way siding any RL accounts with hitler- As far as SL is considered yes A lot of -!"WWII SL GROUP"!-(just so that stands out) seem to have a seemingly close hitler/nazi veiw about things maybe not all but most- from my personal encounters in the past they don't seem they want to change this look that others have of them either

Hitler was in no way communist , its right wing rhetoric used to degrade the morals of communisim.

And as far as im concerned your all racists if you repay me by kicking me from your group because i got your 2 racist buddies banned.

Uhm, Hiltler was NOT a cpmmunist. He was a facist. WWII was not fought to protect us from communism. THAT was the COLD war. The communists were our allies AGAINST Hitler diring WWII. The fact that you don't know this makes me suspect its because you haven't studied it in school yet, which probably means you are a MINOR! MINOR ALERT! Attention all Lindens! Alarm, Alarm!

Out of curisity is Kano Khan a 14 yr old sure sounds like it, i met him once being a prick in cordova sandbox i was just trying to work on a vehicle minding my own business i did crash the thing into adam zauis's big tower block a few times but was trouble witht he script and was fixing it, then Kano khan trns up shooting everyone and everything, with some scrpted cannon that has an added push for miles effect just as i unlincked my prims to change one of them :/ and then gives attitude so i neg rated him he rates me with a message sayinf "i pmwed you HAHAHAHA i pwned you good" 13-14yrs olds shudn't be in this game

Not this again.....

do you know what Nazi stands for? National Socialist Party

Socialist = Left wing. there are actually 4 points, left/right and up/down

left = communism, or socialism while right = capitalism. I forget up/down, but one is authoritarianism and one is the antitheses, Hitler was Authoritarian Socialism. He created many social programs, he had the VW bug created as the car for the people. People all to often only think of it left/right and throw facism and authoritarianism on the right, when that 1 dimensional scale is highly innacurate.

Hitler was a socialist.

JV

Pol Pot was a capitalist , that makes capitalisim stupid as well

He's actually a very immature 19 year old.

Well lets see -- you comment about racist communistic minds and their relation to hitler and WWII..

Seeing how he lived in Russia while it was a Socialist Republic - and fought in WWII --AGAINST-- Hitler on the eastern front.
This is where most of my own history of WWII comes from, as you really don't read a lot about the eastern front in the high school curriculum.

Considering this, I think your labeling of 'communistic minds' along with racism - is very incorrect.

Siggy.

<<Hitler was a socialist.>>

I sometimes think I've somehow wandered into a parallel dimension.

Hitler certainly joined, and subsequently took over, the National Socialist Party simply from expediency, but his whole political philosophy and subsequent career was very much on the extreme right. Of course, it's a valid point to say that the two extremes of political thought do tend to meet. But Hitler was a totalitarian fascist.

The only other person I've heard make this claim was an American who also thought the British National Health Service was one of the greatest evils of modern life, and who claimed that Margaret Thatcher, too, was a socialist.