Town Hall Meeting

I just want to say, that I am very dissiappointed in the Town Hall meeting. I watched as members of the forums had 3, 4 and even 5 questions answered and then to top it, a few who also attended got 2-3 more questions answered on top of the questions they asked from the forums. Yet, just before the meeting began, I asked the various lindens there if I could pass along a question by a citizen who could not make the meeting. I was told it was fine to give the card. And I did so.

SO I sat there while other people got their questions answered and then it was over. Then I asked why my question was not answered. and it was stated because I used a note card.

The person eventually got their question answered, I think. But the whole meeting left me with a very bitter taste in my mouth, and with the knowledge that not all citizens in Second Life are equal.

Sorry, Mags. But, you are 3 months behind in your FIC dues.

I agree, Magnum. This anti-notecard, pro-punctuality administration is despicable.

You don't have to make fun of me.

And you don't have to be rude either.

Someone's gotta. Are you daft? You show up at the last minute, and you present them a question in non-standard format. When they overlook your question, you begin squealing about bias. Despite the fact that you admit the question was probably answered in private.

Please, dear sir! Share with us this most glorious question!

I am sorry if I appear to be rude, but you have been ignoring the notices. We are now forced to turn this over to our collection agency. And, you KNOW what kind of collection agency the FIC uses. Watch out for Vinnie, he likes to break fingers. Guido will pay special attention to your knees.

And, for heaven's sake, Magnum. CHEER UP!

I know what you mean though Magnum. A couple weeks ago SL did a lottery for store space. Luck of the draw right? I wonder. I know 17 people, including myself who entered. Not a single one of us got a store lease. However a surprising number of SL'ers who's names you always see did "win" a lease. Coincidence? Perhaps. But don't let it stress you. Take note and move on. Actually from my perspective, not a lot different from RL. LOL

Excuse me, but YOU have not paid your dues to my thug rental agency. Guido, being one of my best agents, will be by in a short bit to help explain the benifits of prompt, if not early, payment.

Hey Mags,

Don't take it personally. They can't get to every question, and it sounds like there is a good chance that ALOT of people had time to get theirs in before yours. And it's not that big of a deal is it?

Out of approximately 145 entrants, 73 received lots. That means there were roughly 50/50 odds of someone getting a lot, though those odds may actually vary depending on whether more people applied for Luna lots than Busy Ben lots. These figures assume an equal number of applicants for both, which may be incorrect.

I've now participated in two store lotteries. I lost the first one I entered, and I won this time.

A brief analysis of the Luna winners reveals that the median number of posts per winner was 85.5. The post counts for these winners are listed below. It would also be interesting to view age for the winners and the number of times a winner has previously won. However, I have work to do and so I'm going to have to end my rudimentary statistical analysis here.

Luna Winners!!!
Rizpah Galatea 1
Emerald Greenstein 1
Remi Marten 1
Taz Tomba 2
Locke Angelus 3
Yoofaloof Pacer 3
Billia Jacobs 3
Woody Blair 3
Zaida Neutra 5
DrZippy McLean 9
Caroline Apollo 14
Dancininda Street 16
Nexeus Fatale 20
Zero Therian 24
Pal Platini 38
Aliasi Stonebender 41
Dain Lambert 59
Cricket Sunchaser 62
Lukas Thetan 74
Raphael Rutherford 80
Eos Zander 91
Damanios Thetan 109
Leilany LaFollette 129
Koose DeGroot 137
Brian Mifflin 142
Drift Monde 199
Devyn Grimm 201
Persephone Phoenix 229
April Firefly 237
Dakota Callahan 386
Antagonistic Protagonist 455
katykiwi Moonflower 482
Chosen Few 500
Nekokami Dragonfly 561
Aces Spade 1046
Lordfly Digeridoo 1826
Talen Morgan 2986
Hiro Pendragon 3151
Willow Zander 6464

Mean 507.43
Median 85.5

I think it is safe to say that Luna probably had 3x or 4x as many entrants as Bens.

Ardith, your analysis is interesting, but it might be even more interesting to look at who didn't win a Luna spot but entered. That should be fairly straightforward, although time consuming. Getting their post count should be simpler, though.

The median and mean post count should be roughly the same for the two groups, I would think...

- Jon

You are correct, Jon. In an ideal situation, the median post counts in the two groups should be relatively close. If you or someone else doesn't do it before tonight, I might give it a shot when I get home from work. Getting post counts isn't so difficult, just boring. It's a copy+paste and click through two screens operation. If there were a list or a csv of post count available, it would be a lot easier to work with. Someone does have a birthdate database though, don't they?

Of course, the median and mode could be spoiled by a couple of abnormally big posters getting accepted or rejected, but we'll see how that turns out after those numbers are actually run.

Okay, I decided to do it...

Here's the list of Luna entrants, with their join date and post count:

To summarize here:

Total # of entrants: 128
Average post count: 434
Median post count: 109

Total number of Luna Winners: 39
Luna Entrants who did not win: 89

Below are the raw results, sorted by post count. You can clearly see that there are a lot of big-posters who didn't win.

Each entrant had a less than 1 in 3 chance of winning a spot, assuming a fair draw. Given the mean and median results, I'd say the draw must have been fair.

- Jon

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Emerald Greenstein Jul 2004 1
Zon Javelin Mar 2005 1
Rizpah Galatea Feb 2004 1
Electric Vindaloo Sep 2004 1
Remi Marten Jan 2004 1
Gopher Nielsen Mar 2005 1
Taz Tomba Sep 2004 2
Woody Blair Feb 2004 3
Locke Angelus Nov 2004 3
Billia Jacobs Jun 2004 3
Yoofaloof Pacer Apr 2005 3
Tyra Valkyrie Jan 2004 4
Starshine Herbst Jun 2004 4
Zaida Neutra Dec 2004 5
Alix Uritsky Aug 2004 6
Shagz Anubis Jun 2004 8
DrZippy McLean Apr 2004 9
lilith Pendragon Jan 2004 10
Minoru Musashi Oct 2004 11
Rhiannon Chatnoir Jan 2005 11
Kerryn Kennedy Jan 2005 13
Caroline Apollo Oct 2003 14
Koyuki Michabo Feb 2005 15
Dancininda Street Aug 2004 16
Keara Morgan Mar 2004 16
Zelinna Jacques Aug 2004 17
Matt Thetan May 2004 18
Nexeus Fatale Aug 2004 20
Hinkley Baldwin May 2004 21
Venice Craven Sep 2004 22
Zero Therian Jul 2004 24
Jesse Murdock Jun 2004 27
Josie Hamilton Mar 2004 27
Komuso Tokugawa Mar 2005 31
Wisper Patel May 2004 33
Pal Platini Jun 2004 38
Magdalene Steele Dec 2004 39
Aliasi Stonebender Jan 2005 41
Kit Proudfoot Aug 2004 41
Koukla Twilight Jan 2004 45
Flyingroc Chung Jun 2004 45
aurora Fairplay Jun 2004 45
Dr Tapioca Oct 2004 49
Kim Manilow Jun 2004 49
Maximus Zander Apr 2004 52
Jincey Firefly Jul 2004 55
Jim Lumiere May 2004 56
Dain Lambert Aug 2004 59
Jack Belvedere Aug 2004 60
Cricket Sunchaser May 2003 62
Timmy Night Apr 2005 63
Saul Lament May 2004 64
Jana Fleming Oct 2004 71
Lukas Thetan May 2004 74
Chalky White Nov 2004 79
Pahoa Jade Jul 2003 79
Vudu Suavage Jul 2004 80
Jim Bunderfeld Mar 2004 83
Captain Barmy Mar 2005 87
Eos Zander May 2004 91
Sam Portocarrero May 2004 97
Fallingwater Cellardoor Oct 2003 102
doug Donovan Apr 2004 105
Damanios Thetan Mar 2004 109
Crimson Sunchaser Mar 2003 110
Toneless Tomba Oct 2004 117
Azreal Rubio Jan 2004 118
DNA Prototype Aug 2004 119
Nicola Escher May 2003 125
Leilany LaFollette Jan 2004 129
Koose DeGroot Sep 2004 137
Bob Bravo Jun 2004 138
Barbarra Blair Apr 2004 141
Brian Mifflin Dec 2004 142
Snakekiss Noir Dec 2003 161
Moonshine Herbst Jun 2004 187
Drift Monde Nov 2003 199
Azazel Czukor Jan 2005 200
Devyn Grimm May 2003 201
Zoey Jade May 2003 204
Upshaw Underhill Mar 2003 209
Chris Wilde Jul 2004 212
Persephone Phoenix Nov 2004 229
Trifen Fairplay Jul 2004 234
April Firefly Aug 2004 237
Tanaquil Karuna Aug 2004 243
Alan Edison Jun 2004 244
Annah Zamboni Jun 2004 253
Aestival Cohen Sep 2004 279
Cailyn Miller Mar 2003 297
CrystalShard Foo Feb 2004 317
Eboni Khan Mar 2004 326
Salazar Jack Feb 2004 342
Zapoteth Zaius Feb 2004 346
Cienna Samiam Mar 2005 351
Dakota Callahan Jul 2004 386
Francis Chung Sep 2003 430
Cienna Rand Sep 2003 448
Kyrah Abattoir Jun 2004 450
Antagonistic Protagonist Jun 2003 455
katykiwi Moonflower Dec 2003 482
Weedy Herbst Aug 2004 497
Chosen Few Jan 2004 500
HoseQueen McLean Apr 2004 539
Nekokami Dragonfly Aug 2004 561
Roberta Dalek Oct 2004 728
FlipperPA Peregrine Nov 2003 735
StoneSelf Karuna Jun 2004 794
Adam Zaius Jan 2004 830
Tito Gomez Aug 2004 882
Beryl Greenacre Jun 2003 902
Isis Becquerel Sep 2004 971
Schwanson Schlegel Nov 2003 1008
Aces Spade Sep 2003 1046
MrsJakal Suavage Jul 2004 1246
James Miller Jan 2003 1421
Ingrid Ingersoll Aug 2004 1458
Aimee Weber Jan 2004 1643
Lordfly Digeridoo Jul 2003 1826
Khamon Fate Nov 2003 1864
Siggy Romulus Sep 2003 1974
Pendari Lorentz Sep 2003 2051
Pituca Chang May 2003 2383
Prokofy Neva Sep 2004 2419
Talen Morgan Apr 2004 2986
Hiro Pendragon Jan 2004 3151
Nolan Nash May 2003 3200
Willow Zander May 2004 6464

Ardith, I have entered the Luna lottery regularly and do not get a spot. I was happy to get a turn this time around. Keep trying!

Very nice work, Jon. It looks like you ran the median and mean for the entire set. Did you also calculate these averages for just those who did not win?

Oh, I shall kep trying. I'm not bitter about not winning last time, I was just using my own example as a tiny bit of anecdotal evidence for the approximately 50% probability. This time, I entered in Busy Ben which I think greatly enhanced my odds. Luna is evidently far more competitive. Though last time I learned my lesson. After losing the drawing, I bought one of the anchor stores. I ended up not using 90% of the space. It was a waste.

Congrats on winning, Katykiwi.

Yeah, I just did that:

Post count for those who did not win in Luna:

Mean: 394
Median: 110

So there's something of an issue, but I suspect Willow is skewing the results with her huge post count.

Without her, the winners average drops from 507 to 350, but the overall average only drops to 386.

I think we're good...

- Jon

I didn't win the Luna lottery. I don't expect to win. I know they hate me, I don't have any exciting content to sell, the thing I sell is real estate and I'd put ads for that in my Luna shop, that doesn't fit with their agenda, so hasta la vista, but whatever, c'est la vie.

I have to say that the Town Hall meetings thing perplexes me. The first 4 meetings I sent to, I couldn't seem to get a question in, even asking in advance, even sending it to the moderator.

This time, I put in a question in the forum designated spot, but while asked, it didn't really get answered.

When I saw that Robin seemed to keep saying "Next" and "Next" very curtly and abruptly, like she was trying to move things along, I thought maybe they had actually run out of questions. I suppose it could happen.

So even though I had already had a turn, I put in another question. And to my surprise, the moderator put it in.

You would think they'd try harder to give everyone a chance. I can't be blamed for putting in extra questions when I can't be sure they don't have room for more. But they could be trying to have more.

I suspect they want to get across some points and only talk about certain topics, so they accepted some questions and steered some others and ignored the ones that didn't fit.

That's fine, but then maybe call it " A Conversation With Robin About the Land Sales List" instead of "A Linden Town Hall Meeting.

wahwahwah
you're not special.

I was there a whole hour before the meeting began. I passed a question from someone who could not make it via note card

I asked an hour before the event began if I could give them the note card

I am sorry, I do not seek approval from the star chamber before I ask questions.

God you can even make a joke a rude remark

Sigh, it must seem so to you, but obviously you are humor-impaired.

I won a spot in that drawing.

Ever heard of me?

Magnum,

Did it occur to you that maybe having sent in a notecard instead of simply IMing the question like everyone else was a problem, or that the question was just accidentally overlooked (especially since they had to refer to a notecard instead of the open IMs)? Why does every single thing have to be about bias? I asked several questions that were not answered, and several that were, simply by IMing them to Jeska Linden in a concise format as I thought of them. One of them I also reworded, and then the question was asked. It's fine to be upset that your question was not addressed, but to claim bias just because of that is lame.