Barkley says players should "beat the hell out of fans.."

Explain your logic please how does beer throwing equal beating.

It doesnt exactly. Never said it does. How does a fine and jail time equal throwing a beer.

Anyhow, I'm not trying to argue that what the guy did was right, but it doesnt make me feel one bit sad for the dumbass who threw the beer either.

Just dont be a dumbass throwing shit and you'll be fine.

Aight folks

Come and get it!!!! I'm a maniacal something myself, and admittedly found it somewhat amusing. But I'm also easily amused by the antics of Johnny Knoxville and crew!!!!

But in no way do I condone such action!!!

Instead of picking at each other hear let's try to objectively look at both sides and have a reasonable discussion.

I'm with Wig, simply put, RESPECT!!!!

Throw beer?!! popcorn? call a name? you suck? you nigger? Where's it stop?!!!

Sure you may get paid millions, so you can be expected to take more responsibility than the normal citizen? Sure you should!!!! To the point your now the fans "property", I don't think so!!!

An no, athletes are not mindless gorillas. But let's look at thier occupation and what kind of individual engages in these type of activities? People at the appitomy of the physical food chain engaging in extremely physical and phsycologically strenuous activity. "Now throw a beer on em!!!!"

I wouldn't expect to get my ass kick throwing beer at a chess match (but Bobby Fischer can get that look in his eyes )

Now I've bounced in clubs most of my adult life, been spit on, beered, on glassed on the head and stabbed!!!! But guess what. "I'm fuckin trained to deal with this shit!!!!!!"
Don't get me wrong, I'm still prone to pop that can-a-whoop-ass when I get pushed outside of my envelope.

Bottom line is RESPECT!!!! I'm sorry but if you've got the balls to throw a beer on me, I think I'd probably take it upon myself to kick your ass.

Well thank who ever reigns logical that I am not in the same league as those who believe that if someone thows a beer at you the most sane response is violence.

Obviously the gangster connotation of respect overrides sanity and logic. My new tag line will forever be "You be disrespectin', now I be kickin' your ass" These people are supposed to be college educated for the most part. They all speak of the colleges attended and the diplomas earned. So the rest of us college educated folk should just start kicking ass when we feel "disrespected" I cannot wait untill my next meeting.

You keep twisting words Ishtar. Noone said it was the most sane responce, just that it might be one.

You said it was right though. You said it should be expected and we should all just drop the subject. Not being mean but again I have to say when did two wrongs make it ok? Should the man making millions off of fans not expect to be held to a higher standard?

No I didnt Ishtar. You just think I said that.

Ok then what did you say. Please forgive my ignorance but you said it was comical and that the fan deserved what he got, that people who "disrespect" deserve to be beaten, that the player should be considered to have the intelligence of a bull and due to his genetically predisposed lack of ethics he should be held to lower standards. Please enlighten me. Perhaps I misunderstood your premise.

time for you to go read "No Man Is An Island" aka "For Whom The Bell Tolls" aka "Devotions Upon Emergent Occasions" by John Donne. i guess you're not an island either but you're acting like a stagnant pond.

another thing, all these guys are "dominant" by consensus. if people got a new hobby and stopped living vicariously through uneducated steroids poppers they would be out on the street with no marketable skillz.

I just hope people learn a lesson from what happend and dont do dumb things like throwing beers at other people.

I hope that people learn that those with million dollar contracts are not held to the same standards of conduct which the rest of us adhere to.

What lesson am I supposed to learn? If someone throws beer on me I can assault them, If I am "disrespected" I am expected to attack and therefore not held to the same principles as "normal" people, are those the lessons we wish to teach the world.

I know it seems harsh, but I dispise someone who acts with such disrespect to another human as to throw something at him without provocation. I dont hold the basketball player in high regard for his actions, but that was a response to an attack and is much more forgivable.

I dont know exactly what you mean by saying that I'm acting like a stagnant pond, but I do feel that you may be judgeing me without knowing me.

Who said he isnt being held to the standards...I'm sure he will not only lose those contracts and endorsements, but also get in trouble with the law.

All the world is a cannibal
even time itself will eat us all
but that's no reason to be a jerk
you either make it better or make it worse
I believe this. I believe it's true
I believe it

~Adrien Belew

(Cross-posted at Ishtar's request)

Boy it seems like someone is kinda missing the point.

I don't believe anyone is condoning this situation. It is very unfortunate indeed. I myself am a sports fan, and a "playground legend" on the gridiron, as well as military football , and believe in participating in them for the love of the game.

Not to be spti on, beer thrown on or anything else for that matter. Here we see ourselve placing these people responsibilityies hire than our own, why, because they make a lot of money. We are perpetuating the ideas of the importance of money.

I believe this issue strikes to a more more basic princible, "Do unto others?"

If I feel it necessary to throw beer on someone what am I trying to say? I don't like you? I coulda just said that. But NOOOOOOO, I thought it was well within acceptable behavior to physically "asault", yes silly as it sounds this is assault, a professional athlete, college educated and all, with my beer because......?! I've no escalated the situation from verbal impasse that would probably have gone unmentioned to physically assaulting someone with no fear of reprisal.

Maybe no one want's to read my ramblings but I don't know how much clearer it cdan be made. Artest's reaction, how grotesque it may have been, does not seem to be unimaginable.

We're all in his ass, but seems like it's ok to run around and throw beer on people. Nothing to do with machismo and arogance as maybe more like some fuckin home training. Your mom let you throw beer on people? If someone never taught you how to respect others then don't be suprised with a crack in the jaw when you want to show your ass. Didn't this guy assault Artest first?

I know we all think we should stand there stinkin of beer till the toy cops arive.

Tell ya what. Go to York, Pennsylvania, into the Harley Davidson factory, chill till bout 3:45 and stoll onto the shop floor and throw a little beer on some folks...... See what happens?!!!

Ya know, I did say the fans should have been dealt with too, and ya know by whom? The security guards and cops that were there. Right there. I have seen no one say the fans didnt break a law or that they didnt deserve to be punished, all I saw is folks saying mob justice mentality is wrong. Typical bully mentality says if he throws something at me, (which actually did no physical harm) I should pummel him down. There were fans that did nothing that were smacked too, I guess that's ok, was just collateral damage, after all those drunk fans had it coming no matter who got in the way, right? The fact is if they would have just let the people whose job it is to handle the crowd do so, they would prolly know exactly who was responsible and charged them accordingly. But no, a bunch of arrogant, above the law atheletes had to turn it into utter chaos, a chaos which allowed several of the guilty fans to get away. Escalation is never ok. Breaking the law because someone else did is never ok, I don't care who you are. The Harley factory; I highly doubt a person would get past security let alone manage to throw a beer on someone and even if he did, their is no legal backing for assaulting that person tenfold. Try explaining it to a judge or jury.

I guess kids who throw water balloons at other kids should have there ass kicked, after all it really hurts bad right? I mean their arrogant pride of course...

That's all I am gonna say about this as the two heros defending this here obviously arent going to change their testosterone charged minds, and will keep justifying criminal activity. Over and Out.

speaking of missin the point, yeah the fan was a prick to throw beer on the guy. the player was a bigger prick not to rise above it and do the right thing but instead to beat up a much smaller guy for what amounts to an insult. is throwing beer on someone "assault"? maybe legally but it's sure not the same as punching them even once.

that's plain old never the right response. is it the natural response? i suppose. i kinda thought we human beans were supposed to rise above nature though. i've beat alot of ass in my shortish life and i've had my ass beat too. they've deserved it and i've sure deserved it but that doesn't make it right for anyone. it took a long time for me to learn that cause i used to be a stupid hard ass, and it took a hard lesson to finally wake me up. fact is i have one eye now cause i thought if someone disrespected me i got a free ticket to beat on them.

this isn't an issue of who's right and wrong. both those assholes are wrong. but the thing is, throwing a beer on someone never justifies getting beaten up unless you're an immature selfish idiot child in a grown up body. oops, i just described most pro athletes. my bad.

p.s. anyone who thinks Mr. Fister the big bad baller's going to get in legal trouble is living in a fairyland of make believe. worst thing he could face is paying 1% of 1% of his annual salary in a fine or something.

cliff's notes version: fan = prick with bad judgement. athlete = prick with no self control and a lack of civilization. what do ya know, they're both wrong. and violence for a dis is never ok after you leave preschool. grow up world.

edit: dammit Nolan, you said all the stuff i was busy typing and you did it better. why do i even bother?

Me love Nolan...me beat anyone who disrespect Nolan. Me love Zuzi too me beat Nolan for disrespecting Zuzi by postin while Zuzi was postin.

I'm feeling so verbally assaulted right now... I wish I had a beer.

Me pounds chest real hard and beats you back ten fold!



Me off to find new club me no mean basketball team me mean piece of wood to lay smack down on anyone challenge me when me beat chest real hard.

Sorry folks,

[QUOTE-Nolan Nash]That's all I am gonna say about this as the two heros defending this here obviously arent going to change their testosterone charged minds, and will keep justifying criminal activity. Over and Out.[/QUOTE]

People apperently don't feel like reading an entire post by a testosterone charged individual.

I believe I've said a few times now that "I in no way condone this type of action"

I'm simply trying to look from all sides. Some people would never raise thier had against another. Others are much more hostile. There are many factors to account for these differences. I'm suprised that so many of you are so passive to the idea of being disrespected to the point it's ok to get stuff thrown on you. If you spit in Shawn Penns face, what do ya get? Not right, but expected. This also plays to each of our own senses of responsibility and our priorities.

From one area your priority may be call law enforcement. Another are it may be to physically strick back. I just spoke up because we all sit here on our computers rationalizing, with thought and forsight, and irrational incident that happened in a matter of seconds. Again, not right, but let's try to be objective.

And no shit you wouldn't get past securtity, but this is yet another example, in the given senario what does security hev to do with it, I was talking about principle, care to coment on that? The idea was that you throw any fuckin thing on some you must be very nieve to think there won't be repurcusions, wether they call the cops on you, stand there and do nothing, or you may anger them to the point you trigger thier fight/flight response and they run away or confront. We this guy got confronted and got smacked.


AGAIN THIS IS NOT EXCUSABLE BEHAVIOR BY ANY MEANS!!!!!!!!!


Not into the personal attack thing so I'll refrain from commenting the implied amount of testasterone charging my mind Sure probably run a full tank, but some one gotta be willin to do certain things when the testosteronically challanged people won't, nothing personal, I'm refering to certain occupations that obviously need these individuals umong them, ie: military, construction, many others (let's see how this one gets twisted)

This is Echo Four Whiskey... Out...

If I could send one over the net I would love....we all need a beer

beer is fattening. I've gained 10 pounds since I've started drinking beer these past two weeks.

I am a vet too btw, and sorry if I offended you, it seemed as though you were justifying the behavior in some way because of your own background. Apologies for misunderstanding. I was in too many fights to remember back then, but I won't say it was right or to be expected because I am a big guy, that when some guy threw beer or a pool ball at me or broke things in my GF's bar that it justified beating the tar outta him. It was wrong, and I knew that the next day, and admitted it, and paid the price in fines, probation, the nite in the hoosegow, and the worst part was the scrutiny poured upon me by my then GF, whom I lived with. For me it's about cooling down, self examining and taking responsibility. I saw a interview today with Artest and he would not take responsibility and all he did was blame the media , the fans, and promote his Rap. Sad.