From: someone
I''d like to know a lot more about how that poll was conducted, who was polled, and how they were distributed across the country. It's easy to do a poll to support a specific claim, even if it isn't actually true. (3 out of 4 dentists recommend... of course they had to ask 20 dentists before they decided on that specific 4).
i agree a poll is never the most accurate or trustworthy information,anyone can make a poll say anything they want really and as long as people dont look into it they wont know any better.
but darwin refered to polls aswell so its all fair heh.
From: someone
I have no doubt that we're doing some good things there. That doesn't change the fact that we had no business going in in the first place.
were doing ALOT of good there,power and water are at higher then pre war levels right now and we've shipped in well more then enough food to feed those who need it.
ontop of the thousands of schools being restored and rebilt etc etc.
we had plenty of business being there,saddam broke his cease fire many many times so technically we already were at war with him and he started it.
he broke i forget the number exactly but i believe it was somewhere over 20 resolutions in 10 years,when do we say enough is enough and end it?
in 1998 we KNEW he had thousands of gallons of chemical agents and such which he never showed proof of destroying,and dont even try and tell me he didi and just neglected to tell us or even document it in any way.
he killed over 2 millions of his own people over the past 12 years or so.
under the sanctions he was able to buy more then enoguh food and suplies for his people by trading oil for it.
instead he built palaces.
his people were being horrifically tortured daily by him and his son who was even more depraved.
and the fact he openly supported terrorism aswell.
also we still will probably find the WMD,you were willnig to let UN inspections go on for who knows how long,why not give us tiem to find the weapons before you scream liar?
From: someone
That's quite a cliam. Who estimated it and how? Give sources please.
actually i dont have a source for it right now,i heard it months ago,so take it as you will i guess.
but it definately sounds right considering the mass graves and all the stories coming out of iraq.
like all the dead children be because he chose not to properly feed and support them.
From: someone
We didn't find any training camps, except one in the kurdish controlled north... an area that's been essentially under US control for years.
we also found a training camp south of baghdad which even had the fuselage of an airliner that they were using to train for hijacking.
and there was the payments and open support he had for terrorism.
From: someone
No he did not have any proven links to al queda. There is no evidence supporting this claim. If you know something I don't please cite your source (right wing propoganda rags excluded). And the Bush administration very deliberately suggested the Hussein link to 9/11. They've used some of the most creative language in government since Clinton said "it depends on what your definition of is is." Same kind of deliberate BS.
they had found evidence on various occasions of various meetings between iraqi officials and al qaeda leaders.
From: someone
Who knows what the actual reasons were. We were never told. We got handed a big fat steaming pile of BS instead.
there was no 1 reason,there were MANY reasons we went to war,dont get caught up so much in percieved intent,the outcome is FAR more important.
that outcome is that the iraqi's now live FAR better then they did and one part of the entire crap hole that is the unstable middle east is on its way to rejoining the rest of the civilized world.
From: someone
There's wishful thinking if I ever heard it. There will be 20,000 to take their place.
no not wishful thinknig,is the truth,since 9/11 weve killed or captured so many thousands of terrorists,and if there will be 20,000 more we will kill every last one of them aswell.
are you trying to say that we shouldnt attack them for fear of their retaliation?
we should just run away and let thme do what they want?
no if the world stood united on terrorism we could together form a huge coalition and completely decimate terrorism in every hole they hide in,syria,lybia,pakistan,iran,saudi arabia,all of these countries harbor terrorists and we should be forcibly removing them if those countries will not themselves.
remember these terrorists hate us just because we are alive,they hate all of the western world,in their eyes we are evil because of imoral behavior and such and they envy us because we've made progress and are rich while they still live in the stone age due to themselves.
if we leave them alone and hiede they will come after us,we cant appease the terrorists,we can however kill them all and once the people in the middle east taste freedom and begin to prosper they will not have a reason to want to blow themselves up on us.
but it seems europe and the left would prefer to appease them,let the problem fester for the next generation to have to deal with except magnified.
these people respect nothing and will stoop to any level,the only thing they understand is force.
From: someone
He hasn't lost any havens. Iraq was never a safe haven for Bin Laden. Ever. That was an invention of the Bush administration that has yet to be backed up with a single shred of proof. And Afghanistan is still controlled by warlords and the tiny amount of troops we still have there are not sufficient for us to in any way make the claim that Al Queda is gone from there.
they have lost safe havens,they can no longer hide easily at rest in afghanistan or iraq because we are flushing them out.
in iraq all you see on the news is reports of us under fire,and reports of our dead and wounded.
they never seem to report what those guys accomplished though,they never report the dozen dead to our single wounded.
they never mention the thousands of terrorists and saddam supporters we've killed or captured since the war has ended,isntead the biased media reports only the negative which makes it look like we are bogged down and doing nothing in iraq.
when the truth is we've won an overwhelming victory and continue to beat our enemies on a daily basis with very little loss compared to our gains.
sure we cant claim all al qaeda are gone from afghanistan,but we can claim that the thousands we did kill are gone,and we can claim that they are defeated even if not gone.
we cant claim that all hitlers nazi party is gone yet either but we do know that they are not a threat and are defeated.
the terrorists in afghanistan and iraq cant make a move without us spotting them,they are neutralized and will be broguht to justice over time.
From: someone
There's a lovely video of Colin Powell from 2001 speaking at a press conference after meeting with a middle east leader where he says that there is no evidence at all that Hussein was reconstituting his weapons programs and that sanctions were keeping him safely contained. The only intelligence that's been made public since then has all been proven false.
"contained" thats right,let him sit and build weapons and military strength,let hi mfund terrorism,let him kill and horiffically torture more of his people.
then maybe a few years from ow we would have to dea lwith him anyway except he would be stronger and perhaps have ready to use WMD.
From: someone
There is no evidence of illegal arms sales by either the french or the russians to Iraq. None. Zip. And as far as I know no one except you is making that claim. There is evidence that North Korea agreed to sell them missiles that would have violated the UN sanctions, but North Korea stiffed them... they kept the money and never sent the missiles.
france was selling iraq parts for their fighter craft as late as january of this year considering we were on the brink of war at the time that disgusts me,and to think they consider themselves our ally.
and the entire iraqi air force (most of which i believe was destroyed in the first war though) is made up of french craft sold to them by the french.
i tried to find an article,but this information came out back in march or so,so its pretty old and so im having a hard time finding it unless iwant to pay to get it which im not about to do,but i did find it at the washington times,im just not going to pay to get it.
and russia was in iraq selling and setting up gps jammers even as late as a week or 2 before we attacked.
lol,sorry again ive got no link since this was also back in march or so.
but maybe you recall the news about a few of our vehicles being destroyed by russian made wire guided tube launched rockets?
well im not about to spend more time digging to try and find the links so take it as you will.
anyway,either way it was france and russia that armed iraq in the first place back in the 80's.
even with our support of iraq back then we still never sold them so much as a rifle.
From: someone
Tell that to the families of the 30,000 people we killed who now have no electricity or water and are dealing with looters.
actually nowhere near that number were killed.
the very highest estimates are at around 10,000,the actual number is somewhere between 5 and 10 thousand though.
and iraq's power and water nfrastructure is actually BETTER now then before we attacked.
very little infrastructure in iraq was damaged,baghdad had full power up till the ngiht the saddam statue was torn down,and even then only about half the city was out of power.
most of the rest of the country never lost power or water.
BUT saddam did have his own troops destroy power and water infrastructure during the in some areas.
From: someone
LOL... so when it's something Clinton did suddenly you care about the innocent civilians? Typical.
i care about the innocent civilians and that is WHY i support the war,because now they live free,children arent being tortured and raped or starved.
people who speak their mind ARENT having their wives and daughters raped tortured and killed infront of them before they too get tortured and killed.
there WONT be any new mass graves anymore.
uday hussein wont be raping every woman he wants and torturng anyone he wants to.
there is absolutely no doubt about it iraq is FAR better off then before.
whew,thats alot of typing
You sound like Eddie's post attacked you. 
lol
) I'm simply a bit of a 'reductionist' if you will... it's the way my head works.
