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Chance Abattoir
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04-26-2005 13:50
From: Prokofy Neva
I found it humorous that somebody wrote "let someone else speak for a change" because anybody can speak any time, in any thread, on any subject, and start their own thread, or contribute to a thread, at will, any time, unlike, say, a classroom or parliament where you'd have to raise your hand and ask for the floor. Hilarious!

Dinner party? What was the main course, then, roast Prok?

I'm not at a dinner party. I'm on the Internet in a game spiring to become a metaverse.

If 6-8 people put me on mute and go on blathering among themselves with me invisible to me, then I'm guessing that means they want answer my posts anymore because I'll be invisible to them, then normal people without that fuck-you invective will get to step up to the plate and talk.

I'm thinking this could really improve the forums because those 6-8 people flinging shit all the time will just not be present, so more intelligent minds will be able to coalesce and discuss issues free of reactionary screaming from all kinds of thin-skinneds perfectionists.

I'm thinking this *might* be a good idea but I'm still getting used to this Orwellian "unpersonning" of a person by muting them.


You were making sense until the last two paragraphs where you (A.)insult the intelligence of minds that are not your friends' (that's a good way to win allies) and (B.)engendered paranoia by name-checking Orwell. I think people would take you more seriously if you stopped using tactic B. or any tactic where you try to paint yourself as the victim because it only makes people WANT to victimize you.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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04-26-2005 13:52
From: Cocoanut Koala
You know what needs to be stopped? This lynch mob mentality, that's what. You can take every extreme thing Prok has ever said and bundle it up in one big bundle and none of it - NONE OF IT - holds a candle to what you are doing. It comes NOWHERE NEAR. All this banning, this shunning talk - it's shameful, it's Nazi stuff. Horrid.

If you guys want to talk about something else, then why the heck don't you just talk about something else? Surely you don't need to silence people who disagree with you, or who you dislike, before you can hear yourselves talk. Do you?

I don't know how you sleep at night.

coco


Shunning is a time-honored tradition. It's a passive social treatment to solve minor problems that don't warrent further action. It is completely vollentary, in this case.

Comparing it to nazi-ism... Well, Godwin's law, and whatnot. Beyond it being silly.

I sleep quite well. Much easier now that I dont get worked up over nonsense on the forums.
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Cienna Samiam
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04-26-2005 13:54
From: Cocoanut Koala
No, I did not say that. I said "I'm with you on that, StoneSelf, as would be, I'll wager, a great many others, if they only had your courage to stand up and say so."

coco


Yes, Coco. 'as would be... great many others.... if they only had... courage to stand up and say so' (sic) IS the reference to the 'silent majority' I mean.

Chance: The context of 'campaign' is an active effort to achieve an end. Literally, I suppose you're right. I am campaigning. But the point of my campaign is not 'against' someone specifically, it is instead that we should all be more willing to take responsibility for our own annoyance and curtail it.

You may or may not choose to infer any number of motivations, up to and including the assumption that I'm somehow part of a larger 'conspiracy' as your words seem to imply. Doing so is certainly your perogative, but does not change the reality that you are not inside my head, therefore, have no way to know what I am thinking.
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Chance Abattoir
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04-26-2005 14:03
From: Cienna Samiam
but does not change the reality that you are not inside my head, therefore, have no way to know what I am thinking.


I'm only picking apart what you say-- not the vast and immeasurable depths of your sensitive soul.
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Cienna Samiam
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04-26-2005 14:07
From: Chance Abattoir
I'm only picking apart what you say-- not the vast and immeasurable depths of your sensitive soul.


If you were reading what is there and not what you read into it, we wouldn't be having this exchange.

Oh well. :)
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Chance Abattoir
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04-26-2005 14:11
From: Cienna Samiam
If you were reading what is there and not what you read into it, we wouldn't be having this exchange.

Oh well. :)


If you knew what words meant, then there would be less misunderstanding between us. :) :) :)
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Cienna Samiam
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04-26-2005 14:16
From: Chance Abattoir
If you knew what words meant, then there would be less misunderstanding between us. :) :) :)


Ah. So you're one of those. Good enough. Thanks for letting me know so early, will save me a lot of wasted time. :)
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Talen Morgan
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04-26-2005 14:20
From: Cienna Samiam

Chance: The context of 'campaign' is an active effort to achieve an end. Literally, I suppose you're right. I am campaigning. But the point of my campaign is not 'against' someone specifically, it is instead that we should all be more willing to take responsibility for our own annoyance and curtail it.


Jesus christ how many times can you actively flip flop in one thread...I can't fathom how you can believe your own bullshit....The point of your campaign is quite clear let no one misunderstand what your campaign is about...it is about actively silencing 2 members of the forum. Anything you say differently is an out right lie.
From: someone

You may or may not choose to infer any number of motivations, up to and including the assumption that I'm somehow part of a larger 'conspiracy' as your words seem to imply. Doing so is certainly your perogative, but does not change the reality that you are not inside my head, therefore, have no way to know what I am thinking.



By the way anyone here will tell you I have NEVER been one to say anything about conspracies...or allude to them at any time....keep grasping sweetheart and maybe you'll come up with something some day.....amazing just how clueless a newb you really are.

The post below clearly shows your flips and flops in case your memory is weak....


From: Cienna Samiam
Hi Tiara. There is no campaign happening here. There is merely people who are sick of this person being as public about deciding to ignore them as the person in question has been about their distaste, dislike, and lack of respect for them.

A campaign would be telling people WHY they should do it, ENCOURAGING them as an act of malign intent. No one is doing that. Many are posting to say, 'Yes, I'm finally fed up with him as well and he is on ignore here'. They are supporting one another and they have the right to do so.

For my part, I'm actively reminding people they DO have the power and rather than spend days and days complaining, they should use it.

No one choosing to ignore is doing a thing to keep this person from stating their opinion. We're simply saying we're no longer willing to listen.

That is OUR right. Would you deny it?


What bullshit....
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Cocoanut Koala
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04-26-2005 14:23
Reading what was there, Cienna?

You mean, such as:

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1. Actually, they started the campaign, friend. Some of us are just sick of it and are ready to put an effective end to it.

Join us. You'll be glad you did.

2. [Regarding shunning:]

Do It. Do It Now. You'll Feel Better.

3. But, if you really want to speed up the process, all you need do is publically demonstrate that you're ignoring them and their thoughts have no affect with you anymore.

See my signature for details.
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4. do not weaken, my friends. Hold tight to your commitment to place a wall of silence around the attention whores. We can do this, it can work.

5. ~smiles at the thought of gagging the two fools and turns to more productive things~

6. Actually, I think when their volume outstrips their sense, they should simply be banned.

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Just a sampling from your work today. Complete with slogan; there was also a picture.

coco
Cienna Samiam
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04-26-2005 14:24
From: Talen Morgan
Jesus christ how many times can you actively flip flop in one thread...I can't fathom how you can believe your own bullshit....The point of your campaign is quite clear let no one misunderstand what your campaign is about...it is about actively silencing 2 members of the forum. Anything you say differently is an out right lie.

By the way anyone here will tell you I have NEVER been one to say anything about conspracies...or allude to them at any time....keep grasping sweetheart and maybe you'll come up with something some day.....amazing just how clueless a newb you really are.

The post below clearly shows your flips and flops in case your memory is weak....

What bullshit....


Hi again, Talen. The ignore function is intended to permit you to remove the words of people you prefer not to hear from... feel free to let me know if you would like a tutorial on how to use it. :)

Until then, enjoy your reading. I do. :)
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Cienna Samiam
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04-26-2005 14:27
From: Cocoanut Koala

Just a sampling from your work today. Complete with slogan; there was also a picture.


Hi again, Coco -- so let me make sure I understand you -- when someone else does it, it is acceptable and everyone should stop trying to get away from it. When I do it, it is evil and wrong and should be condemned.

That about right?

Somehow, your condemnation fails to disquiet me. Amazing, I know. However, I'll extend to you the same offer as Talen -- anytime you would like to remove my 'offensive' words, just put me on ignore.

I promise, I won't mind. :)
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Cocoanut Koala
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04-26-2005 14:29
My intention was not to disquiet you.

And I think we're about done with this lady.

coco
Talen Morgan
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04-26-2005 14:31
From: Cienna Samiam
Hi again, Talen. The ignore function is intended to permit you to remove the words of people you prefer not to hear from... feel free to let me know if you would like a tutorial on how to use it. :)

Until then, enjoy your reading. I do. :)


About what I expected form you...not even a good backpeddle I guess you decided it wasn't worth making yourself look more the fool....no problem I'll help when I can... anyway I never put anything on ignore...because I learned a long time ago to listen closely to what everyone has to say....that way I know who is who and if I need to I can call bullshit when necessary ....Read your sig dear.....Look to yourself.
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Cienna Samiam
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04-26-2005 14:31
From: Cocoanut Koala
My intention was not to disquiet you.

And I think we're about done with this lady.

coco


I did not for a moment think you would admit to having an intention, and had given you the benefit of the doubt on the positive side that you were aiming to disquiet.

Should I conclude that 'we're done' means you're going to actually take responsibility for your annoyance and either avoid or ignore me? If so, congratulations -- you're doing better than many.

If not, best wishes in learning for the future. ;)
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Cienna Samiam
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04-26-2005 14:35
From: Talen Morgan
About what I expected form you...not even a good backpeddle I guess you decided it wasn't worth making yourself look more the fool....no problem I'll help when I can... anyway I never put anything on ignore...because I learned a long time ago to listen closely to what everyone has to say....that way I know who is who and if I need to I can call bullshit when necessary ....Read your sig dear.....Look to yourself.


There is nothing to backpeddle from, Talen. If you weren't so busy cooking up motivations that do not exist, you would realize this.

Then again, if you were truly listening as you claim, this attempt by you to insult me would never have taken place.

So much for consistancy. For that matter, so much for potential.

Thank you for the amusement of your belief that your holding something as 'bullshit' is binding upon anyone else in the world, though... and I would point out that the extended stint of politicking you're engaged in here much better qualifies as attention whoring than you might think.

Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle. I believe you have something in common. ;)
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Talen Morgan
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04-26-2005 14:46
From: Cienna Samiam
There is nothing to backpeddle from, Talen. If you weren't so busy cooking up motivations that do not exist, you would realize this.

Then again, if you were truly listening as you claim, this attempt by you to insult me would never have taken place.

So much for consistancy. For that matter, so much for potential.

Thank you for the amusement of your belief that your holding something as 'bullshit' is binding upon anyone else in the world, though... and I would point out that the extended stint of politicking you're engaged in here much better qualifies as attention whoring than you might think.

Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle. I believe you have something in common. ;)



oh so I guess you didn't even understand your own words even when reposrted for you....Maybe I should put them both in my sig so people know exactly what you're about....so which is it this post? Are you campaigning....or are you not campaigning? I'd re-quote it all over again but whats the point...we both know you're full of shit.
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Chance Abattoir
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04-26-2005 14:47
From: Cienna Samiam
... and I would point out that the extended stint of politicking you're engaged in here much better qualifies as attention whoring than you might think.


When he does it, it's "attention whoring" -so what is it called when you do it?

From: Cienna Samiam
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Cienna Samiam
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04-26-2005 14:51
Ah well. The point of pointlessness having been reached, I leave you to your certainty. As they say, You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make some folks think.
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StoneSelf Karuna
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04-26-2005 15:59
From: Cienna Samiam
Ah well. The point of pointlessness having been reached, I leave you to your certainty. As they say, You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make some folks think.

in your effort to punish porky, you've become just as ugly.

let it go.
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04-26-2005 16:10
From: Cocoanut Koala
I'm with you on that, StoneSelf, as would be, I'll wager, a great many others, if they only had your courage to stand up and say so.
Me, too.

It occurs to me that it might be of value to share my strategy for dealing with Prokofy's posts: I read the first fifty or so words and skip the rest. If he wants to communicate with me he'll have to get a lot more concise (or at least do the inverted pyramid thing).

By the way, I'm very pleased with the land he sold me. It's maintained its rural feel for almost two months now! There's a very pretty tower and ocean view out my front window.
Jennifer Reitveld
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04-26-2005 16:14
I have to say if Prokofy bothers you, then put him on ignore. This has gone beyond that and turned into a bit of a witch-hunt. Surely people were aware that it would become this when it began? It is hard for me to not see malicious intent with this sort of posting.
Jeska Linden
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04-26-2005 16:28
I'm moving this thread to Off-Topic for further (meta) discussion. Also, wanted to remind everyone to refrain from personally attacking those you don't agree with in the forums.
Juro Kothari
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04-26-2005 16:30
From: Prokofy Neva
Dinner party? What was the main course, then, roast Prok?

No thanks, I don't like the smell of roast anything, and my doc told me to reduce my meat intake. ;)
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Chance Abattoir
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04-26-2005 17:06
From: Juro Kothari
No thanks, I don't like the smell of roast anything, and my doc told me to reduce my meat intake. ;)


Assuming that Prok is meat is a violation of the TOS. How do you know he isn't made of straw? That's divulging RL info. Someone call pathfinder. :rolleyes:
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Elle Pollack
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04-26-2005 17:32
From: Chance Abattoir
Assuming that Prok is meat is a violation of the TOS. How do you know he isn't made of straw? That's divulging RL info. Someone call pathfinder. :rolleyes:

*snicker*

Ok, gotta admit that was funny...or at least if you're like me and draw a line from that to "straw man".

...*crickets chirp*...

Yeah. Going to eat dinner now. *sweatdrop*
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