I want my Kerstin back!

Okay, I don't care who did what or said what that caused Kerstin to get upset and sell all of her stuff and quit. Yes, I'm angry, but I don't care at this point.

I just want her to come back.

...please?

I agree!

I heard about this and right now I don't know and I don't care whose fault it is. All I know is that for the 10 trillion modelers in this game who are just like me, nobody set up events like Kerstin did. I did not speak with her much, but I did have respect for all she did for this community. If I wanted to model, I would do so with the more powerful toolset Max 5 gives me. Here at least I can show off my creations, and with the help of people like Kerstin, I could *USE* my creations. Frankly she did, and enjoyed, a job that I hated to do but had to be done.

The last few days I've been having internet connection problems that keep kicking me off line. I wasn't in world much last night, and when I tried to have a conversation with Kerstin, I once again, lost connection. By the time I got back, she and her beautiful house, were gone!

I don't know what happened, who started it, or why, but Kerstin.......PLEASE COME BACK.

This game can only loose without you being a supporting participant.

Take a few days, a few deep breaths, go bowling or hit some balls or the batting cage, get some frustrations out. Then please come home.

I already miss you.

Tracey

I have no clue what happened but agree too.

Whatever happened, we should use it to learn from because it will happen to someone else at some point. If persons are driving away established players, thats a problem. How do we deal with it?


K, please return.

Awww I don't know her at all...but i hope she comes back. It's not really fair when someone ruins your experience in a game/community like that.

*Hugs*!

OMG! Kerstin stopped by my place lastnite and I had no clue that she was leaving for good.

I didn't know her to well but from chatting with her occassionally I could tell that she's a wonderful human-being! We need more ppl like her in SL and in the RW for that matter.


So if you're reading this Kerstin, please please come back.


Ra

I'm not sure what happened, or even when it happened. I have heard or read nothing other than what's in this thread.

I took a class once from Kerstin, and she seemed to be a wonderful person so far as I could tell. It's sad to read that even in an immensely interesting and wonderful environment like SL, there are still people out there who can (and usually are determined to) ruin the experience for others.

Sorry guys but this might be a little hard...

I don't know what happened... If someone could IM me or something. But for -> *swear words*, COM ON PPL who gives a *swear word*. I mean GIMME A BREAK, leaving SL in to show ppl that you are pissed. To everybody who leaves SL because of childish "virtual" reasons they can't cope with in RL, I really don't care, leave if you want to. It's not gonna make me cry and i'm NOT gonna cry for you. SL will go on with or without you, it's not because you leave that ppl will petition and stop playing. If you think you are that "high up"... *swear words*. I've always hatted ppl in RL who make a big scene when they don't get what they want, like an "I'm sorry" or who just wan attention. Ppl have a right to HATE YOUR GUTS and some ppl WILL hate you! (It may not be your fault.)
Face it... it's LIFE!

I still don't know what comments where made, but if they were "nasty low blow remarks". Screw you, learn to live and get some manners. To those who leave because of this, go see a "pysc" this is not normal. Simply tell the agressor to *swear words* and get on with your life.

P.S. To those who have not been here a for long, this is happening to much and I had a bad morning so Nexus = pissed

I think Kerstin is a good person and an asset to the game.

I did not have a bad morning but I more or less agree with Nexus. After two and a half years of EQ I came to the conclusion that the people who left - for whatever reason - in an angry storm might be better off gone. Not for the sake of the game, SL will feel the void Kerstin will leave and people will miss her, but for the sake of the person.

These are games, and if you get so upset about something you leave, then that means it isn't fun anymore and it is probably time to move on. You shouldn't torture yourself or other people for a game you don't enjoy.

If you can't handle dealing with other people, arse-holes included, (and deffinatly not everyone can) then multiplayer games aren't for you. Not everyone is nice, and even some who are nice aren't when they are online. Psuedo anonymity isn't always a great thing. It's all something that comes with massivly multiplayer games, and you just have to deal.

I also am one who has no idea why she left, but I do know it isn't the first time. Which is why I think it may be better for her if she moved on.

Good luck in life, love, and everything you strive for Kerstin.

- Ama.

I'm sorry, I just can't agree with you two. Normally, yes, doing something like this is because of the conflict the game presents: there's so much potential to do good things within the game, but there are those who make it difficult.

But two things make Second Life different. The first is that a player's actions can actually MEAN something in the world. The second is that the people who are doing good things are currently grossly underpowered by those who can be griefers.

Has anyone in Second Life done as much, hosted as many events, or helped as many people as Kerstin? If so, I really need to meet then. I've said it before; all the pretty stuff and flashy scripts in the world are NOT going to keep people playing this game. It's going to be the social aspects of SL that are its greatest draw.

If we can't even keep one person who knows the grief that can come with hosting events, and even had tools in place to take care of griefers, how are we ever going to retain event holders?

Without Linden events and Kerstin's events, the event board folds on itself. It's about time people got tools to get rid of griefers without worrying about the repercussions.

And that's a battle I'm willing to lead.

Nexus, I'm tired of you acting like you're god's gift to second life.....you aren't.....that said....let me clear up a few things for you.




no you don't....so why are you spreading lies about why kerstin left and how she left and what she hoped to accomplish.....let me set this straight....

She left to protect herself...not to show people she was pissed....not to start an uprising...but to get away from all the griefing that she had happen to her last night....to get away from a$$holes....she left quietly...didn't post...didn't create a scene....she just left.....people heard about her leaving and posted here....that's no fault of hers.....she's not trying to accomplish anything...she's leaving because the system currently punishes good people....and Rewards griefing/cheating and dishonorable behavior.....she can't do what she wants to do in the game because the more she does well the more she's knocked back. The system is wrong.




again...no you don't know what happened...so stop trying to tell everyone what did.....she left because it was the only way to protect herself.....she doesn't attack back because she's NOT ONE OF THEM....she asked them to stop....then told them to stop...then booted them off her property....they kept coming back so she had no other alternative.....

and still people are making her out to be the wrong doer......remember...the system punishes the Good People....and Rewards the bad.....Kerstin is forced out....(she has no other protection)....and they are allowed to stay and do whatever the hell they want...

as to you "nasty low blow remarks".....Screw YOU.....and *swear word* off....I'm gonna get on with my life.

I've only been on for a couple weeks. It's long enough to see how Kerstin added to the community. I don't really care what happened or what other people think of her. She will be missed.

I appreciate this being said but what I think needs to be known is what needs to happen to fix it? Since apparently very few (?? guessing here) people know what happened its hard for the rest of us to second guess.

We're in beta. Now is the time to address these issues. We can't address them if they are not known.

Im not saying to post a rundown of what happened but how about some more specifics on the flaws that need to be addressed. If not in a post, at least in an email to Linden Labs.

I have also seen a rise in greifing. We need to have a way to address it. Do you all (including Lindens) want SL over run by greifers? Its only going to get worse when we go live.

here's an example

The Good - two builders working on a project together....one has to release objects one by one so that the other can reclaim them....

The Griefer - Stands next to them and as soon as an object is released....he grabs it and moves it around....When asked to leave the Griefer responds with...."I don't have to ....I can do whatever I want".....

The Outcome - The two builders are forced to stop work because the griefer wants to play.....The griefer get's his jollies and goes off unpunished......

want another example?

The Good - People build and script and texture and make av's and just enjoy the technology of the game.....they build whatever they can imagine and have a good time doing it.

The Bad - Rate miners spend their time running around collecting ratings....sucking the money from the people that don't.....

Outcome - Rate miners suck up the cash......others have less money....

Two solutions......

1. we need something to prohibit people from entering our land or selecting or focusing on anything in our land......we need the ability to shut them off completely if we so desire....(not a global command...but individual users)

2. Lose the rate system I don't know about economies so I'm not gonna comment on that.....is the rating system truly necessary though? why not pay bonus's based on what you contribute?.....That's what the rating system is supposed to be....is there a way to make it work that way? infalibly?

Hi Valfaroth, you bring up some very interesting points. I am not sure if this is the proper forum to discuss these specific mechanics in, but I'd like to add that I am *not* a fan of the rating system. Who may be one person's worst enemy may be another's best friend, it's basically a subjective opinion each end every persone certainly has a right to, but if that person just has the wrong impression, does that give them the right to impede on your status? I do not feel overly qualified to have such a say on a vast scope when it comes to rating people on :::Appearance::: What some peope enjoy, what some people may work really hard on may not be something I find attractive. Does this mean they deserve a bad rating because we don't share the same creative standard? :::Building::: I am still very new, and have many skills in this are that still require honing, I have seen everything from the most beautiful, extravagant structures to the most pleasant, genuinely warm and inviting cabins. Who am I to say wether someone has poor building skills, aren't we all trying? We evolve as we learn, and we learn something new every day! Thats one of the most exciting aspects of Second Life, we are free to express ourselves creatively, even just simply expressing the essense of our personal tasts utilizing the resources we are given! I can honestly say, I can think of no situation where I would rate someone a bad builder.
Finally, the most useful rating is :::Behavior::: this could be a very distinguishing tool in SL in managed properly. Some people only like to cause strife and impede on the enjoyment of the experience for others, as sad as it is. Usually these people are just considered poor participants, not by one, but by many, the essentially destroy their own reputation. The Behavior rating is valuable in that it could encourage others to behave in a mannoer appropriate to the medium, use at LEAST common courtesy and sense. The only thing missing from the Behavior rating, the one thing that really nullifies it, is that no reprimand comes of a poor behaviorrating, so most don't care because they suffer no in-game consequences. If they were to, say, lose their stipend because of a poor behavior rating, which suggests that they have represented themselves in nagative fashions, then they might have an incentive to either 1.) Change their mode of behavior and play like an adult. or, 2.) Leave if their only desire is to cause contention.

As for Kerstin, I do not know her well, so, again, I can make valic claims. However, I do know her, I have participated in her events, and I found her courteous, professional, selfless, helpful and creative. If someone was causing her trouble, instead of acting in haste I wished she would have used the 'HELP' tab in the top toolbar and reported the events to a Liason. They are there to ensure that we who are testing the game have the privilege of doing it in a comfortable fashion, and I'm certain they would have made every effort to stop the perpetrator.

Perhaps she will consider returning in the future, as she is a great asset to the community, and I know that Linden appreciate all the efforts she has made to improve their product.

Phaylen

Kerstin did not act in haste.....First off, it was 20 min into the events that she started ejecting people....for the first 20 min Kerstin and I both repeatedly asked the participants to stop swinging swords and put them away......one of the participants even said to kerstin afterwards...."I don't read chat in the heat of battle."....(why was there battle? it was a lotto event)....then later said "I stopped the second time you said stop"....how did they know it was the second time if they don't read chat...that means they saw it at least once before.....and chose to ignore the host and continue

after asking repeatedly for the weapons to be put away, she took out the security system.....(this was about 15-20 min in).....she looked at each person before she booted them to be sure she did not boot them if they stopped......it was not until each person swung that they were finally booted

So, guess what happens next.....They come back....Rate her neg and take off and delete their card so she can't rate them back....No punishment for the greifers.....they win.....

Kerstin did not act in haste.....she was simply pushed past the limit...

the issue here is not that kerstin booted them....the issue is that the type of behavior exhibited at last night's event was absolutely uncalled for...people need to be able to specify what behavior is acceptable on that land and a way to protect themself and their guests.

Thx for making that clear Val... btw i'm not god's gift to SL, BCC, BP and the whole "old crew" is the gift.

As for the actions of those 2 guys. I agree I would be pissed too. But not that much, geez it's just rating! Not that big of a deal if you ask me. My question 2 you is why didn't you run after them and rate them neg? I mean Kerstin can take -2 on like 400 but the other guys... can they take a -10 each from your whole crew? they probably have what... 50max? I would of done this, hell if you would of asked me I would have been glad to help you guys out in hunting the guys.



This was directed towards the remarks made by the grifers TO kerstin.... "if" they were insults, and the "screw you" to the grifers.

to repeat...this is not about what actions can be taken against greifers...this is not about what could be done to "get them back".....they shouldn't have been able to ruin the event to begin with....

When I read the first post in this thread, the first thing that went through my head was"WHAT?!?" Kerstin quit?

Kerstin has done so many wonderful things for Second Life, organizing event after event, running the lottery, taking the time to get to know as many people as humanly possible... yet it seems that the actions of a couple of people have driven away one of Second Life's most respected and loved people.

I truly hope that Kerstin comes back, but in the chance that she doesn't... Second Life has lost a great deal in Kerstin.

And this goes to the people that caused the problems for Kerstin: If driving Kerstin from something she has dedicated a LOT of time and herself into was your goal, then congratulations... you've succeeded beautifully. I hope you're proud of yourselves.

Alexis

Very good point Val, I agree. It's just that no matter what ppl will always be able to ruin stuff. It's just not nice, not much that you can do about it, unless the Lindens can do something...

I am very sorry to hear that Kerstin has left.

I would like to let her know I appreciate everything she has done. Whether she decides to return to SL or not, I wish her the best.

This is really sad. Kerstin is one of the best people in this game. Her support has been greatly valued.

Didn't read through everything except for the general topic and the examples put forth....I'm new so excuse ignorance here but for others to not be able to maneuver your items, doesn't the "allow group to move manipulate" option on the edit tabs cover this? Set an item as untouchable except for members of your group?

I had some guy spazzing out at one of my events he kept blowing rockets off over and over and over again, I got a linden he stopped linden went away he continued, after event he came back and continued. I thought it was really immature, he tried to get me to sell him a weapon and well I sold him one. WITHOUT A SCRIPT./ I also killed him several times. I mean...you gotta learn to handle games, it is a social game. Theres gonna be jerks, its hard to deal with them, but try to laff it off.

ok, heres what happened from my point of view. I was at kerstin's place, and one guy takes out his light saber, and i take out my sword, but we weren't fighting at first, just showing them off. then a guy smacks me and so i smacked him back. and we were fighting off in a corner. then i see in the chat of kerstin saying no weapons on her property so i put it away. then when i checked back, she has said it once before so i guess i missed it the fist time since i was concentrating on battling, so i'm sorry for that. But then i found myself elsewhere. so at first i'm thinking maybe a bug cause i didn't know she had kicked me. but when i went back i was kicked again before i could ask what happened. so i decided to IM her apologizing. a lot of time went by and i didn't get an answer. so i went back and asked if if she got my apology. then i get an IM saying there was no fighting and that she has reported me for greifing, and a thing saying she has rated me (assuming negative) again i apologized but i guess she didn't accept it. then today i heard something about someone going off on kerstin telling her she shouldn't kick people from events.

PS. 1: I know she said stop twice cause i looked at the chat history when i put away the sword. Ctrl+H

2: i didn't even know it was an event, i was just there cause people were there and i saw people wearing spam suits, and nothing else.

3: i'm really sorry, i'm not a greifer, i don't like to cause trouble.