lets bring the linden back up!

HOLY CRAP FOR CRAP! I would have given away more than 10k but you stopped me! that party was a blast!


OH!
Forseti - Talk to Linden Labs about the museum idea, you may get community support, the project you build tho with community support will have to be a not-for-profit deal I believe, Im not clear on the details... hehehe bugg Baccara and ask her how she got her support. BUT be nice when you talk to Baccara or I'll kick your ass!!

Im kidding....

maybe....

lol look forward to meeting u sometime in SL, Ferran. I'll look up Baccara -- my assumption was always that it would be non-dwell / non-profit. And if I do talk to Baccara, don't worry, I'm very civilized (or so I think, although my wife might disagree).

Then it just becomes the Sims -- side note - the Sims creators really had a toilet fixation, you gotta click on that bad boy more than anything else in the game - use - flush - clean ...

The joy of SL (for me anyways) is that through LSL you could emulate most of this behavior if you wanted - only it would be opt in.. So if you wanted to be 'Simmy' you could! But forcing folks who don't wan't to play that way all the time to do it will only create animosity and maybe even lead to players leaving.

Forcing AV's to be Simmy (or anything for that matter) = bad idea.
Creating the 'Simmy aspects' for players who wish to eat, have dinner parties, shit till their pancreas pops out = good idea.

Again, creating something that people want / find worthwhile will get people to spend.

Siggy.

Theres a lot of talk about stipends and the abolition of them.. but they are handy for new players.

Has anyone considered a cuttoff after a reasonable amount of time?
I would suggest a cuttoff as they had under 1.0 ($3500) but we all know what will happen, the same as what happened then -- people passing off money to game the system.

Siggy.

Private Sims ARE transferable so doesn’t tell me you can’t sell it, you're wrong. Also being able to recover cost isn’t the point, if you don’t want to sell your land all be it 512 or 65536m2 you need to be able to support the land tier cost, for private or mainland. Also to force people to work for "rich" people is retarded just like the argument for not making people HAVE to eat, that would cause many to leave. If I want to own land and make a profit I shouldn’t have to spend 900 on a private sim I should be able to buy any of the available land and have same abilities. Private Sims are already receiving preferential treatment, more control over every aspect and their own private location and telehub. You're telling me thats not enough? Not trying to be rude but you need to step back and take a look.

But back on the note of linden value, if LL overhauled their option to pay for your land tier cost with L$ to be something more representative of the actual value, that would be a feature I would take part in. It would take quite a chunk of change from the system. These suggestions need to be a money sink, something that takes the money and returns it to LL. Just simply raising cost on items now that I think about it would only make the money change hands. We are talking about separate but similar things here.

Removing dwell - if that were done then charging more for items would be good, also cover charge would then be good. But neither of these help the value of the L$ much since they would not remove them from the market.

Ratings are being worked on already I read in another post but who knows how long and what it will end up like. (post suggestions there. I think Haney linden started it)

Stipends - this is an income that helps the players who don’t want to spend extra $$ stay and continue to play. To remove this would remove players that we need to grow the SL community and economy. That loss would only hurt the L$ value

What we need is money sinks, but not just random charges here and there for things players should be able to do normally. I think we should have sinks like, a cost to advertise in the classified, cost to advertise on the telehubs, a charge to teleport would be interesting to avoid it simply fly, making more of a need for transportation and an actual use for the roads which are currently just an eyesore. If you don’t want to travel simply pay and TP closer.

Most of the cash flooding the GOM, IGE marketplaces comes from mall owners, land barons, and club owners, all people who own large amounts of land and would benefit from being able to pay their tier with L$ and it would be worthwhile. That would reduce a large portion of the new and constant flooding on the market.

I do think lower land tier cost would be great, it would allow more people previously scared to invest time and money for fear of loosing it all, to build their projects and further stimulate the economy. It would likely bring more revenue with more people willing to pay.

Is there an option to have no land tier cost IF, you take no dwell, no profits, and offer a service to the community? If not we need that option. A check box for Non-Profit which allows the owner to take no expense and accumulate no profit- just offer services

So you're saying if I forefeit dwell from my shopping mall land, and offer merchants space free of rent, I get to own the land without any tier fees?

Or if I don't receive any dwell from my apartment property lands and let people have free apartments, I don't have to pay tier fees either?

I am so there! Not that I think it will ever happen, be perceived as fair, or solve any economic problems. It would be too hard to police - how would LL know I wasn't charging any rent?

i am saying have non profit option which maybe, greys out for sale, or something that dosent allow money tansfer on the land, its the idea that i am intrested in

I don't think welfare should be gotten rid of for new players or people who don't build or create things to sell, but why the hell do I still get a stipend? It's nice that LL gives me free money and all, but I make quite enough from sales and it seems to me that the economy would be better served by not having free money enter the economy through the account of someone who barely notices it anyway. I think a simple control on the money entering the economy would be to simply not give free money to people who bring in more than a certain amount of L$ through other means in the previous week. I'd rather get it from people buying my content.

I like idea of lower tier fee. But this whole non-profit concept IMHO would only create bureacrazy and clever people would game it. There are already hyprocrit people who for social reasons pretend not be making profit while in fact they secretly cash out at GOM week after week. How bad this would become with special "non-profit" tier rates one can only imagine

I agree with Chip about it to an extent. I made a post in another thread about converting the ratings system over to a Longevity bonus instead of a rating bonus. A longevity bonus couldnt be gamed as per how I stated it but for those that earn more than their bonus and stip combined in one day should be considered "Self" employed and thus have no need to worry about the additional Stip and bonus.

Good example would be Little Johnny earns 10k this week but his average stip per week is 1200 well he wouldnt earn 1200 cause he already earned 10k cumulativly.

This would prevent those hero's from gaming the system every tuesday and dumping their cash on an alternate.

Meaning Total combined intake would be 10k minus any LINDEN generated dwell sinks IE Picture uploads and such or Land Purchase.

Thus if Little Johnny made 10k and uploaded 2k worth of pics or what ever then Net income was 8k and far out strips what his stipend would be thus would not recieve a bonus or stipend that week.

However the following week Little Johnny makes L$500 and uploads 2k in pics thus his net income is -L$1500 so he would earn a stip and bonus for that week.

This sort of accounting can be done easily and would be a better balence and benifit to all as it would be based on weekly earning potential and not what is accumulated in your bank roll.

Another aspect of this would be Developer incentaves as those that did not earn a stip end would qualify in the developers incentave arena as they would have earned their money on their own thus making them a independent business owner and showing that they are adding to either content or productivity of SL by earning thier own way.

Anyway I digress.

Shadow