lets bring the linden back up!

hmmmmm Gotta boyfriend?

Why should Island owners betreated any differntly than mainlanders? I paid 1200USD for my mainland sim, and pay the same maintenance costs that they do. And they probably got a better server than I did. I am not begging for more dwell however, I would like to see it go away altogther. Then those who offer servcies and events such as clubds will ALL have to charge and can comptete on the basis of qulity.


(This is an ALT of someone you all know)

Do you mean me? or are you interested in....

BOYFRIEND / GIRLFRIEND ZOMBIE 2.3?

That's right, same 5 colors! will do as you say, more obiedient than woman's best friend, yes that's right B.O.B. the Battery Operated Boyfriend!

Because if you are like me, then you go through a lot of batteries, why go through the hassel of continously running out to the store when the Pizza boy brings fresh brains RIGHT TO YOUR DOOR! Not to mention the postman and paperboy who come every day!

Zombies, the efficient solution.

EXACTLY!


Im at full tier on the mainland, can I control my estate options? can I make it eternal day / night? Can I have my very own snuggly tellehub(do they vibrate)?

NO!

So you dont get any dwell mister / misses private sim snob =P




tease! =P

I would pay a cover charge to attend an event that took some serious work on the part of production crew. I would pay for multiple reasons..
1. To reward those creating new and interesting content.
2. To reward those putting on the show for giving me a reason to leave my land, cuz strippers and escorts sure aren't doing it.
3. Snob factor. Yeah, I can buy a white Hanes T-shirt for $10, but if I pay $200 more for a white T-shirt, it says Dolce & Gabbana inside! The quality is the same, but I know I got something "better."
4. Elitist factor. An event of this sort, with a cover charge, is less likely to have fly-by griefiers and rate-whores just there to see what the green dots are clustering for.

OMG YOU HAVE BRAINS TOO... SO HOT.

How do you think this would affect the economy?

Forcing AV's to eat would be one way to get them to spend money. It would also create a whole new industry in restaurants, grocery stores, etc.

(Patrick Playfair)

Without rates and dwell payments, it really is hard to make cash unless you are a clothes designer or good scripter. I can build fairly well, but what does that do for me?

As an example: I built a D/s club, used to hold a few fun events and educate folks, because I saw a need for one. Alana and many others really helped me with this. But it's not a sustained dwell sort of place, (by no means a dance club) and we give out free vendor space in our little shop area, and we give away cash prizes at events.

So here I am, with dwell not great (basically the dwell payments are not even noticable, since we only have high dwell a few hours a week), people helping out here and there that i would dearly love to be able to pay, and out-of-pocket prize money given at a few events a week. The Linden $750 re-inbursement doesn't cover the full cost of money given out.

People enjoy the club, I enjoy the people, but I lose money constantly, including a hefty tier cost. So what's an average Joe such as myself, trying to supply needed content, suppose to do to make ends meet? Add this to another large chunk of land that we built a large park-like fantasy area on (Tir na Nog) that loses money as well..

It's not like Im sitting on my ass. I work on all my builds, on events, on making things more entertaining. I'm seldom at rest or play. Yet finacially, it is very tiresome.

Even the Eregenous Zone magazine was a success in it's readership, but a drain financially. We never made any money, with upload costs, time spent, advertisement, events.

So if you take away dwell, which I completely agree should be done away with, and you take away ratings money, which is also a gamed system, then folks such as I will sink even further into the pocket, and we will begin to tier down, bail out and just hang out and visit friends. Tier costs are very high, and that is the stumbling block to content I think. It brings everything down to money. Attractions have to try and take peoples cash or they are just burdens to the owner, and that is a shame.

I just wish there was a fair way that folks could enable pure entertainment/educational content to be made worthwhile financially for the creators.

As is, I can continue to lose money and just try and feel good about what I've created, or I can scrap my builds, pour my time into things that will actually turn a profit, or sit on the sidelines and just hang out.

I know this sounds like whining, but it's not meant to be. I just want folks thinking about ways that can be fair that reward folks for making SL more interesting, or beautiful, or friendly, or educational. (I'm talking about others that contribute far more than I.)

The day I am forced to eat in SL is the day I find a new game.

Im right there with ya Schwan, think about it... the food IS MADE OF PLYWOOD!

I couldn't agree more, as mucha as I do not like the dwell system, I wouldn't give a rat's ass if I didn't have to deal with the tier levels. To own the amount of land that I require to keep myself entertained in this game is very expensive, therefore i resort to work to try and compensate (and not very successfully).

If maintenance costs were 1/2 of what they are now, I wouldn't be too concerned about income. I could make enought to buy what I want without busting my ass too badly.

I'm not sure if I like the idea myself, but thought it would make interetsing discussion. As mentioned earlier in the thread, almost ALL of the other online games have some sort of decaying or AV maintenance which creates cash flow.

Ditto. An AV having to eat implies that an AV can starve. An AV starving implies that an AV can die. I don't even wanna consider what the implications on land ownership and content-sales would be if my AV starved to death.

Besides, if I want an AV that bitches at me constantly, I'll get married in world or go play the Sims.

LL values the L$ at $0.50 USD per 1000 by their L for land scale

(posting this in two threads because Im drunk, and dont care how annoying it is to do that) =P

KEep brainstorming on these ideas. REgardless of if noone wants to eat, there could be other ideas...

What's wrong with my idea of charging a buck per teleport?

I really dont think we need to slow the influx, I think we just need more outflux in some way.

To make more people pay attention to the $L economy. More press. If there's a class system created and poor players work for rich players, that will get attention. Of course, the articles can dress up the concept - so poor players will actually look forward to working for rich players.



Like I said before, you can sell your land, private islands can't. There is no way for me to get my $ back. So to equalize this disparity, dwell should no longer be paid to mainlanders.

Oh btw, THE $L IS CRASHING OMG SELL SELL SELL!!!

Things that are a convenience, but arent nessasary are good ways to get cash out.

ok... Ratings and Dwell....

Max rating bonus per week is 2,000 right? (I dont remember I havnt had max rates since my n00b week)

and on top of the bonus you get either 50 or 500 depending on membership plan....

so lets say Rates go away... and a flat (arbitrary because Im making this up as I go along) 1000 (because it's a round number) for stipend, one block on the GOM per week... your chit in the game so to speak.

ok Dwell how much Dwell is generated in Total through the course of the week, and Im talking across the world. I know my quiet little parcel is good for 900-2500 L$ per week, and I get LOW traffic, and by Low I mean... well.. low... I dont attract ppl to my land I have it for prims... you see, Im a build addict, I need the prims... it's a great high to throw together plywood cubes and stuff and then texture them and then throw some scripts in and... oh, sorry...

Anyway... Im too drunk to handle excell, so someone needs to pull up Phil's finance report on the L$ and see if it has a world dwell or something....

HOLY CRAP FOR CRAP!

I thought I was joking when I called private sim owners snobs!

OMG..you make L$900 - L$2500 a week in dwell without events? Holy Christ! I AM a dismal failure. I have 3-5 events a week and never get that much...

Oh well..I'd just spend it on more sheep anyway...

Just to clrify for those who may not know...

An Isand owner CAN sell hs island, he just has to pay a $100 title transfer fee.

David, it's closer to 900, the 2500 is an anomolous Spike that happens like once every other month....

But it doesnt matter, it's group land with like 10 or 12 ppl so the amount is 90 per week with a spiike of 250... for the entire week....

and that's when dwell works, I dont rely on Dwell... or ratings really... not worth it...

and my numbers could be off too... I'll defer to the soon not to be sober Surreal, hope she gets to this post before she gets to the rum.

Sounds like you need BITCH ZOMBIE 1.0.2 The latest in nagging technology all wrapped into a nifty rotting animated corpse! Only available in the original color, festering fuscia.

Act now while supplise las and be griped at by your very own personal undead!!!

(edit: Can you tell Im drinking yet?)

the way it works in RL is that you pay taxes, and government and non-profits (funded by donors) provide grants to those who have a community/education oriented program.

For example, I was thinking it would be fun to build a proper 19th and 20th century art museum in SL, but while I am willing to invest time, I am less willing to invest US$. If there was a "National Endowment for the Arts" then I would apply for a grant.

I suppose this could be done informally in SL, if enough people contribute part of their stipend to a pool, then the land could be owned by the philanthropic group (the contributions would need to cover the monthly land tax) and lent at no fee to those whose grants are approved for the agreed upon time.

heh... no you must sell stuff to keep me in spider toys!! And DAMMIT... your maid zombie left a finger in the tub again. You just can't reanimate good help these days.



Those numbers are in the ballpark. I stopped paying close attention to dwell a long time ago, especially considering hour our land group cuts it up. What our design business DOES support, in addition to our low tastes in entertainment and companionship, is the give aways at events like the Phobos Trailer Trash party. We gave out around 10K at that event I think... something we could only do because of Phobos Design.

Surreal

I'd take the keyboard away from happy rum Ferran, but she bites.. and is damn amusing.