Those French are at is again!

Heh, I don't hate non-breeders and raise the question of who is Cristina?

Aren't you the one that doesn't care about lies? (At least, you don't care when Clinton lies.) You did, of course, notice that the entire thing was quoted, and I never once stated that it was true?

Oh, and BTW, it's not "Republican propaganda." It's anti-Kerry propaganda. (More accurately, anti-Edwards.)

Yes, I read the economics portion of that "plan." It's not a plan, it's a list of goals. We're going to grow the middle class. How, exactly? By redefining what "middle class" means? What exactly IS Kerry's definition of "middle class," anyway?

As for whether or not I read, I was going to respond with a somewhat rude imperative, but instead I'll just say yes, I do read, thankyouverymuch. See, this personal attack is what I was talking about when I mentioned intollerance earlier. I don't see the world the same way you do, so in your mind that makes me stupid. I'm not any kind of activist, actually.

Why in the world should I waste my time researching every "true story" email I get, when I have you to do that for me?

And for your last comment, I guess we just have a fundamental difference in our beliefs as to what constitutes "right." I really don't care what the French think of this country. I want to live in a country I can be proud of, not the French, Germans, Russians, or Kofi Anan (or however you spell his name.)

Let's not forget, everyone in the U.S. is here because they or one of there not-too-distant ancestors left one of these other countries to get away from their politics/culture. So, now we just want to hand control of the U.S. back over to them, collectively, under the guise of an "International governing body?" Not me, thankyouverymuch.

Oh, I care about lies. I cared when Clinton lied. I think I have admitted on these boards that I didn't like it. I also think those questions should never have been asked in the first place, but he did lie nonetheless. I think most Clinton supporters were disappointed in him for that. Probably far more than were disappointed about him getting a hummer. If it were up to me, I would have told him to say yea I got a BJ, now bugger off.


Oh please Mary. Wordsmith it all you want. I call it Republican propaganda because that's what it is. I don't have time to itemize the Republican hate machine into anti-this and anti-that. I do still have to save a little of my day to go shopping and help those who are unable to research their own opinions on message boards.


I am sorry I asked if you read. It was a terribly insensitive thing for me to do. Sometimes I am just like a pitbull that way. Please forgive me. Without you I am nothing. I don't care if you read or write. You are a human being and that's all that matters. Maybe we can get together sometime and roast marshmallows and sing songs.


Perhaps we aren't reading the same document. The plan list very specific changes. What is the middle class? It is families living above the poverty level who make less than $200,000 a year. That is the middle class.

Closing the foreign tax deferral loophole is not a goal. It is an action item in a plan. The goal is to create more jobs.

Cutting tax rates for 99% of taxpaying US businesses by using the savings from ending deferral and offshore tax havens to cut corporate taxes bv 5% is not a goal. It is an action item in a plan. The goal is to create more jobs.

Eliminating capital gains for start-up investments in small businesses is not a goal. It is an action item in a plan. The goal is to create more jobs.

Again, I would never personally attack you by implying that you don't read, but the information is there in the plan. Perhaps you are just looking at the overview. The plan is very comprehensive.


You shouldn't. You can do what you'd like. It's your life. You gotta be who you are girlfriend!


Perhaps we do have a difference of opinion here. I do care what the rest of the world thinks when it comes to the credibility of my country. Lying to the world about the reasons for a war is not my idea of pride.

Recklessly increasing our national debt is not my idea of pride. Where do we get the money to finance our growing debt? Mostly from China. And you wonder why we literally beg the Chinese to pretty please give us back our spy plane.

Weakening the United States in the International community does not benefit me as a citizen of this country. The United States should be leading the world. We aren't.

The United States and its citizens prosper when we are a leader in the world.


No one has ever advocated handing over the United States government to another governing body. That is just silly.

As for leaving those countries, Great Britain has a different government now. It is no longer a Monarchy ruled by the King. So I think we are safely away from those "politics".

It is fine to love your country, but the reasons we gave to the international community for going to war were wrong. They were just wrong. No WMD. No Iraq/Al Queda connection. I can't be indignant that people asked for evidence.

I think that was the problem, dear. There's a word for printing facts that are not true to manipulate opinion: Libel. Edwards may be a trial lawyer, and people may associate that with slime...but it's unethical to say someone did something when they in fact did *not* do it.



Um, just a point, but any propaganda is playing dirty...and if you make propaganda-like statements against the opponent of a Republican candidate, you cannot say it's "not Republican propaganda". Most Americans see that, if they pay attention. The problem is, most Americans *don't* pay attention. That's why misleading statements like "Edwards won a $5 million flu lawsuit" are so harmful. I could write a story saying "Bush had hard knowledge of the 9/11 attacks, and puposefully let it happen". It's not true, and I would be guilty of the same crime as the author of this lie.



Because if you state something as fact, you are responsibile for knowing it is a fact. It's my opinion if you don't know something is true, you should either make sure your reader knows its unsubstantiated....or you just should not print it at all.



I'll agree with that.



*rolls eyes* It is possible to listen to a person's opinion without fully taking it on as your own. It is my opinion that today's Republicans cannot grasp the idea of actually listening to anyone else.

This is why I'm voting for Kerry. Not because I think he's so impressive; I think he'll be a competent president, but nothing extraordinary. It's because I really don't want another four years of our government in the hands of people who will do what they want to do, and "damn the torpedoes".

Ok, I agree to an extent the flu thing has gotten a bit outta hand. And of course, Republicans are using it to their full advantage. Using it as a scare tactic of course. Hmm, I remember somewhere along the lines, my local station reported that healthy, young adults aren't at risk and shouldn't have the 'need' to take them. Hmm. Wait a minute, granted, I can imagine that the young and elder are most at risk, however, what about the Asian Flu? I'm a young adult and couldn't get a flu shot because of the shortage, I nearly had to go to the emergency room because I caught that thing. In my eyes, everyone's at risk this year because the flu virus, no matter what form it is, its threatening to anyone. To simply state young adults aren't at risk is simply arrogant.

Don't use female names, body parts, or attributes as insults, please.

~Ulrika~

Oh Mary, Mary quite contrary.

Use of the term "Mary" is an integral part of my culture. It is hardly an insult.

Don't hatecrime me.