Warning to Landowners

Today, after banning Alondria Lefay and Angel Leviathan from his own land, after being harrassed and provoked on numerous ocassions, Soren Romulus not only had some of his land taken by a Linden without having his money returned, the rest of his land was set so that he cannot now set it to any type of group setting. I think that everyone who is acquainted with Soren will agree that he goes out of his way to be helpful to all. Soren has a sterling reputation not only here in SL but in the world of game designers in general. Angel Leviathan and Alondria Lefay both have over twenty negative ratings for behavior. From what I understand and have witnessed myself, Angel got most of those unmatched bad ratings for harrassing and defrauding new residents.
I have to wonder if Linden Lab really cares about the type of people who are being encouraged in their actions. Soren is certainly not very encouraged to continue in SL after the irrational and unprovoked action of the scrub who took his land and altered his property rights without even speaking with him. Certainly there are a lot of abuse reports which must be looked into, but investigating them usually means getting the facts from both parties in a dispute.

What did Soren do to get his land taken away? I must assume it was more than just banning some people from it since that is a built in feature of the game. Taking away land frompeople who use an intentionally added feature is silly.

I have known and worked with soren before and agree that it would be out of character for him to do something that would warrant that action.

I have seen it before too where action is taken against a person without a chance given to them to counter claims against them. I hadn't heard about it recently and am disapointed to hear it happening again.

That seems incredibly not linden like. How long has he owned the land? The only reason I could see land taken without a refund is if sim time is turned back. Even if they do remove your land (never heard of that) I can see where they'd refund it. The facts of your information should be reviewed. It sounds too abnormal.

Soren has owned that land since the first or second week in Sptember, as far as I can remember. He was very definite that no Linden spoke with him and that he had gotten no refund for the land that was taken, never mind that he now has defective rights to his other property. If the Lindens are going to penalize us for banning troublemakers from our land or setting it to group-only, they shouldn't have given us those rights. Someone was asking me if maybe he had blocked the other property, but I know that cannot be the case, as it borders Olive on one side and Linden-owned land in Mocha on the other.

I can see where banning someone would be bad when it prevents access to a sim, another peice of property (not able to go around it) or if they own so much of a sim they can't set foot in more than 40 percent of the sim or something weird like that

I don't understand how this is a warning to landowners. Isn't it really a warning to people who feel the need to block others from their land? I can't remember ever having to eject somebody from my land, with special objects or with the new v1.1 options, and this is including any and all events I've held.

Personally I don't like the idea of blocking specific people from your land unless you are selling passes to an event. That would be it as far as I'm concerned.

But, that's just me, so whatever.

Well I think it's good to know that if someone has made such a nuisance of themself that you have to block them from your property, they can go and complain and the Lindens will take it out on you without even asking what your motivation was. The thing that really makes me mad is that on the flip side of this issue, another resident I know was forced to move a few weeks ago, all because another person almost totally surrounded her property with bannishers - and not a thing was done to him though he was pretty clearly violating the TOS.

Did the guy with all the bannishers around his land report the abuse?

Yes, Im pretty certain that she did, since I was told that she only moved when they did nothing to help.

This is fascinating to me, because Angel Leviathan muted me and banned me from her land in Perry weeks ago after I stepped in when she was, um, speaking rather sharply (in my opinion) to a newb in the welcoming area. I heard (but can't confirm) she also banned other members of Little Tokyo (to which I belong) after a dispute with Gwydeon Nomad over an incident in LT, so I'm not sure if I got banned when she muted me or before that, after the thing with Gwydeon. Angel is also the only person to have rated me negatively.

And let me just add that I certainly have no beef with Alondria, she's been nothing but nice to me, and is, in fact, a courteous neighbor to me in Tan.

Hi all..I want to clear up some things that people are curious about and also to let you know my side..

First of all, those of you who know me, I don't do something with out a good reason and I have seen the lack of respect that is given to some people especially by those who have such low ratings that they should be the ones getting repremanded..

Ok so this is how it went..

I have land in two place in SL, a 8x8 section in Darkwood and my SL Welcome House in Mocha. I created it for the sole purpose of doing what is right by the new resident and providing them some info when I can or help them with a project or tell them what I know about SL. I do this with my own money or donations and I don't ask them to pay anything out. Even the rooms to rent are free. This was even before the Dwell was implimented.. Well I had some land behind me, that is now infact reduced doe to Linden Labs taking it and not refunding me the money, when I was told on several Occasions by new people about some certain people and their actions toward them and decided that I didn't want this influence on my property. I don't like this drama stuff so I am gonna make this short and sweet... So I did ban them, simply for their actions towards others and that is it. I don't want enemies and I don't play in SL to make them. I even Yesterday talked with David Linden about not over stepping the TOS and that if I was to please inform me, so that I didn't ignore the Lindens TOS..Now I do back the TOS, some of you may not, even after this action the action that was taken towards me, but in the future, it has also made me realize that I am not going to be doing Lindens work for them anymore. I was trying to pick up on some of the slack to help people and also create a space for them to learn, but now, that is just dirtied by this action. So today, I open up my email and I have an abuse report filed by these two on me. Now what I have been told also that numerous ones have been filed against them, but do they still play? Yes. Even by Beryls post you can see that I am not making this up. So In the post I am told that I blocked people from use of their property and or the Checkerboarding and well keeping them from building blah blah blah, is a joke..I didn't. Plus they have access to their property, but still Lindens took my land and didn't refund me the money, plus I was unable to do any more edits on my land for the day. So this is how it is for now...

I don't have land that I can't continue to do work with, by making the free store larger, because well it was taken, 2, I have an abuse report against me that says that if I have another one, I will be banned for Life, but if you do Lindens, I want my Lifetime Membership returned...By the way, I would never unduely file an abuse report on someone, without trying to talk to them first, but oh well..No inworld note to me. But I will say that I have been bombarded by these two and their IMs..I put them on mute, but I still get little notes, somehow..

3. I had no negative ratings until the actions of these two and now my reputation is tarnished..and for 4.
I have lost the enjoyment of this game.

Why give us the ability to Ban people from our land and then turn around and tell us we can't.. Maybe you should use the bi-Line, Welcome to SL, your imagination is totally limited, by a few who get favors over those who don't ask for any at all or well maybe, Hey, welcome to the Communist Republic Of SL, Do what you want, but we will limit you in the end..

So that is my beef, my part and well my actions.. Am I sorry that I may have offended a few, Yes. I am embarrassed by this.. But I just ask you Lindens to look at those who are also placing the abuse reports and make sure that they aren't doing the abuse themselves..

Now Peace to all you good SLers..maybe at some point I will get some too..


See yas,

Soren

Soren I was there when you spoke about it with David (EDIT: actually I seem to remember it was JEFF Linden you spoke with - I havent seen David in weeks, Im fairly certain) and I totally forgot. Hopefully he will do the right thing.

Okay, I must say I am rather confused. But to clearify a few points:

1) I never spoke to, interacted with, or even heard of before about an hour ago Soren Romulus. I have sent 2 IM's which stated:

Alondria LeFay: Greetings. I have heard you have some displeasure of something I have done. Would you be kind enouigh to enlighten me on your position?
Alondria LeFay: Very well. If you ever wish to express your concerns, feel free to IM me.

2) My behavior rating has only one negative mark, which I can't even recall when I got it. (perhaps recently...)

3) I have no idea what went on with the banning or anything. I have not even logged on for a couple of days until now. (well, I did for about 2 minutes yesterday)

4) I feel I have treated people courteously and fairly.

5) I did not file any abuse reports on anyone.


Anyone whom wishes to inform me exactly what happened, or how I was involved, I would be very interested in hearing from.

Soren, all I have to say is, I feel for ya, to everyone else, if you been here for a few months....REMEMBER Kissling??

This is the same crap all over again. I was in Soren's shoes back then. Except I didn't get land taken by the lindens.

It seems that Angel isn't happy till she causes strife and chaos. I have also heard through the grapevine that Soren and I havn't been her only targets.

As far as Alondria goes? She has been nice and decient to me, I think Angel uses her chaos inflicting powers to drag the reputation of the people who seem to want to help her, into the mud and the sewers with her.

Alondria, you are a nice person from what I've seen, why do you let her do this time and time again to you as she is running around causing chaos? She is only dragging you into her bad rap.

2 abuse reports = banned for life???? Ok THAT needs to be changed. This is a powerful tool for two friends/kiddies out to cause harm. A guild of evil doers could ban all of SL.

I am not even referencing the situation being discussed or any parties involved. I am just expressing my dismay at an apparent Linden policy.

Nope! You guys are definitely not the only ones. She - Angel - was bashing me in Aqua a while back with her SL media signs. What we did was to form a group called "Public Protest against SL media" and with the power of being united - think it was 15 of us - we got togther everytime there was an Angel-attack. With the titles "Abused by SL media"- we were pretty visible and this forced the Lindens to take action and finally had Angel stepping back.
I see now that disabeling this group was a bad move...

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For the record: Alondria was very nice and tried talking sense into the brains of Angel - not much luck I see... sry about that Alondria, maybe it's time to find a new partner?

Ok i have to post on this. Just a few words, this is like the 4th time angle has started some nonsence with someone, then whent to lindens claiming the person who SHE was bugging, started bugging her first, ect ect blah blah, either way you twist it, angle crys, lindens whipe her tears. I know this is gunna make some people mad, but i dont really care. She gets away with this every single time and I'm sick of it. Lindens would rather help someone who has caused MUCH strife to ALOT, and i mean ALOT of people,(annyone remmeber her big banner sign in kissling, i do believe there was a protest note card passed around) then help the good TOS abiding players? And I thought the us gov was wacked. Soren could get banned for two abuse reports against him? WTH!? Charlie and I did like 20 abuse reports against her sence we met her! And she's STILL running around causing problems. Look, if someone bans you from their land, they dont want you there, GET OVER IT, GROW UP!
and btw.... Doesnt the hight restriction on bans play any part in this? Couldnt she have just flown over? Oh wait, i guess that would take a brain to figure out. (Unless this has changed sence 1.1 test) Im just sick of hearing about her causeing problems for other people, (not that i dont want to hear about it, i want it to stop). Ok well im done with this rant. I guess that was more then a few words, but oh well.
I feel kinda odd posting this, i dont usually go off about things in sl. But this one was a touchy subject for me considering the ordeal charlie and I had with her. It ruined alot of enjoyment i used to get out of sl. *sigh* :/

Always had good dealings with the Lindens, I hope this is resolved fairly as anything else will lower my opinion of this great team

Pirate

I have two major things to say:

1) It's more than two abuse reports = ban from personal experience (even though the policy may have changed) since I have been reported twice and haven't been banned, just suspended (for my enemies, this was a long time ago so don't get any ideas).

2) As far as I see this thread now, this is a trashing of Angel, Alondria, and the lindens. The facts are not straight on the linden policy because we haven't heard it from lindens. Instead we're assuming that what these residents say about the policies are true. Alondria and Angel are friends of mine and I admit to not having a good start with Angel at the beginning, but this is just a trashing of both of them and I don't feel they deserve a part of the SL community motivating the rest of the community to go against them.

(Prepares for a spank the monkey game)

this is mindboggling. If this is all true, I'd be really pissed I just signed for life because if that happened to me, I'd quit in a heartbeat.

Uhm, considering I live in the SL welcome house, it would have been nice for some notice.

Is my stuff okay?

Don't worry Reele, all of our stuff is ok, after I heard about this, I went to check my land and stuff, considering I own pretty much the other half of the Land in the Welcome House.

As far as this situation goes, at no time did Soren do anything outside of the TOS, so i'm wondering why the Lindens would stop him from being able to edit his land. I haven't been bothered too much by Angel, and Alondria has been to nice to me all the time. Probably because when I am at the Welcome house, there aren't a lot of people around. But I have heard Horror stories from a few newbies that I helped along at the welcome house, and they were mostly about Angel.

Soren did not block access to their land by banning them, he simply blocked access to his land from that one side. Nothing in the TOS says you can't block access from one side. They could still enter their property from the two sides and the back near olive. Maybe Soren did get a little close to them with his land, but you don't think about that when your trying to protect your land.

Yes Relee your stuff is ok..it was the area behind the welcome house that was affected and now they seem to have given back the edit rights..well that is at least something..

To Alondria,

Yes you did make two Ims, but I felt it was best to not respond since anything can be taken out of context. So if you deserve an appology, I do so, but if the continued harrassment of those new to SL continues by your then said PARTNER, then you should really consider that your aquaintances may also tarnish your rep too.

It is true that often my be judged unfairly by those they assoicate with and you are certainly not the first, but if you are a member of a group that allows such said unfair behavior, you yourself may be dirty too.

Soren

Yes, the whole Little Tokyo group has been banned from her land and she rated all negative. My Lexus now has a negative rating

For the record, I've heard multiple complaints about Angel, all from different people, doing various things that are far from "neighborly". For instance, harassing newbs, personally insulting people, getting indignant when people offer criticism on her work, etc.

As such I have little sympathy for Angel at this point, due to her having such a negative reputation amongst most people. Although, I've never dealt with her personally, but someone with 100 negative ratings usually isn't someone that's all smelling of roses.

What we need is a Linden to explain to us exactly what happened, in general terms if he has to.... We just need to know where the precedent is.

If I can get banned for banning a ne'er-do-well from my land... why have it a feature?

Explain it to us, Lindens.

LF