Cool things done by player zoning

(aka Player Government)

City of Neaultenburg..

Here's another player zoned area, DarkWood.

Not entirely sure how the politics work, though.

Why do your pictures repeat?

Picasa 2.0 grid collage, just the way it works.

I thought it was some really subtle and clever commentary on the fact that the exact same thread on zoning just sort of re-happens every week.

Those examples are great; however it looks like each of the sim's builds were done by one person. I don't really like that. Not everyone is a great builder, and not everyone likes the same style of building. While there is something to be said for things matching and looking uniform and all that, it's bringing developmental housing to my mind.

Instead of "houses" it's "housing." Eeek! When did we all turn into hamsters?

yeah, the consistent quality really sucks.

Shhhh, you missed my point. I did say that those were great examples, didn't I? They are very well-built buildings.

The fact is that I don't like lack of variety. I'm against zoning anyway but All Of Those Buildings Look The Same, no matter how well done they are. What if you don't want to live in a sim where everything looks the same, dammit? You want to turn SL into Disneyland? You have Neualtenburgtown, New York Cityland, Beverly Hillstown ... the upcoming Chinatown ...

It's great that these people have chosen to do this with their sim, and usually their sim DOES look better as a whole. Sure it's great to visit! And the effort and time they've put into their sim makes it all the more worthwhile to visit and applaud. But I don't want ALL of SL to be like that! You would be stifling the creativity of a lot of people if you subjected them to building laws made to bring their builds into accordance with these zoning standards.

Well stated Lo, I agree wholeheartedly. I think the system "as is" is working fine. There are many examples of sims or portions of sims that are group controlled, most of them themed. These groups become de facto local governments the moment they decide to cooperate in any fashion.

As long the conversation is not "either/or"

We can have zoned land alongside non zoned land.

We can have anarchies alongside player governments.

That, in a way, is variety in itself - no?

Great pictures of both cities, blaze. You left our our modern suspension bridge though.

I spoke with David Cartier of DarkWood the weekend of our first election (two weeks ago) and he said that they converted to a benevolent dictatorship due to infighting. I explained how we attempted to solve that problem with multiple branches of government but he was unswayed.

He is a brilliant builder (as you can see by his city) and has much experience with large group projects. I'll consider our project a success if he ever begrudgingly admits that things might be working.

Also, I should mention that while I do talk about the Nberg project a lot still, I am no longer in charge. The new Representative Assembly has taken over responsibility of the city.

~Ulrika~

I agree. In the city we have a hybrid medieval-modern theme. The goal is to create a backdrop of medieval Bavarian structures and place key modern pieces within them for contrast. So far the modern suspension bridge is complete with the MoMA beginning construction this weekend. It will be the modern crowning jewel that the city is currently missing.

Additionally, the city only covers about 1/3 of the sim (it's relatively small). If the Representative Assembly were to choose to stay there (we'll have to move eventually) and expand, they would mostly likely do so by varying the architecture across the terrain to allow for more variety for the visitor and builder.

~Ulrika~

Varney has a weak zoning in place - basically we keep much of the land owned by people who make nice builds, and about 1/4 of the sim is Japanese themed.

No pictures handy, sorry

Boardman is Linden run, and there are building rules. It was empty a few weeks ago until a few of us deicided to move in. It is very easy to get around.. the streets are great for bikes! It looks decent now, but Brown, which is essentially the same sim, same road grid and everything is still empty. I'd love to see people who want to live in a zoned area give Brown a try.

They are very nice builds, nice to visit, but just not my cup of tea. I prefer a mix of the good, the bad and the ugly. I enjoy seeing change and I love seeing the next new thing someone comes up with.

I'm like this in RL even, the one criteria I had for the realator who helped us find a home was "NO Home Owners Group or Gated Community".

We already have zoning in some sims, your right, there is room for both, but people should never be forced into zoning if they have already bought land in an un zoned sim and they should always have a choice, (by that I mean land available in both mediums, zoned and unzoned.)

Obviously another Mis-quote..If DarkWood was a Dictatorship..There would be more order there..So...Luckily, we are nothing like Nberg..I would rather have a few hate me for trying to hold onto a Theme set not by me but by those who created it in the first place, then a lot of people hating me for my Ignorance.. Plus..never heard of a Dicator who has to pay for people to keep there sim..Plus the only thing David has built in DarkWood is a Forested hill as of late and that is only Linden Trees...The images that were shown were of The Rivendell Project, created by me on MY land, the town center, created by many of the folks there, Gardinya Floras Fortress, David Valentines' Outpost, Elror Gullwings' Eldamar and a host of other builds..

Soren Romulus (supposed Dictator of DarkWood and if so..WHERE IS MY THRONE?!?!??!)

Z: a sim has player enforced zoning
C: a sim has consistent building

The thread starter asserts that Z => C. This is not a necessary causal connection at all as it could be equally true that ((P => Z) & (P =>C)) for some P or (C => Z). I have also seen instances of (Z & ~C) as well as (C & ~Z). Furthermore as the number of sims with player enforced zoning are so small it could also be a spurious correlation. Thus Z has not been established as a necessary or sufficient condition for C.

Nice try though.

granted. ~O => C is the correct premise where O: other land owners in the sim.

that says nothing for V though as a view can marred across a sim border.

Agreed Soren, another dramatic "misquote". Memory serves me correctly, we had a summit meeting when you first took over Community Liason when Eve Cartier stepped down. Within that meeting, we all, that attended (how many sessions of same meeting was that... to accomadate all members?), took a majority "vote", to hold our land, and build within Fantasy/Medieval theme with our own idea's, or go with what David Cartier had wanted, rebuilding by grid and moving lands around to accomadte that style of uniform build.
If you visit Darkwood theme, you will see........ majority won the "vote", and all has built to their own idea's within theme of the sim, including partial of Dore.
Now call me blonde, but if we were under "dictatorship", my vote would not of counted along with everyone else that put their votes in.
We have a Community Liason, that helps work in between other members when needed, tolorates alot of "whining" .......hmmmmmm........ better name... the townsquare shrink For someone that has been through the loop how many times and used as a verbal abuse venting board, accused of unfounded hearsay, has taken from his own wallet to tier up to save our community from being auctioned off by Linden's. Worse, tolorates all the drama that others continue to stir up, even those, that are not members, and do not know the full story, or facts prior to publishing publically. I would say, for all he has done, there isn't one individual thus far I've met, then can walk in his shoes, and hold their head high as Soren has shown.
I would also like to point out, this conversation of the internal of Darkwood, had nothing to do with the orginal thread post.... I believe... it was on the creativity of build.
On a lighter note....... for all to know..... Soren... don't know where your throne is, but mine is coming out of the attic and being set in "MY" kingdom in the fortress so that all knows, on "my" land in Darkwood........ I am... Queen Bee )

Your most humble servant and drone of the hive respectfully agrees with you and bows low in your presence.....

While not offended by the characterization of Darkwood as some sort of dictatorship, i am always concerned that so many issues, dirty laundry, and outright falsehood ends up on the Forums.

We all need to work together to ensure that Darkwood, the community, and the theme are protected and continued to the betterment of Darkwood and its resident members. And under the leadership of our Leader, the Officers, and Members of Darkwood, in toto, I am optimistic regarding our future.

Change /is/ inevitable. And it is up to us to control change and our destiny.....

I amar prestar aen
********** 'The world is changing'
Han mathon ne nen
********** 'I feel it in the water'
Han mathon ne chae
********** 'I feel it in the earth'
A han nostron ned wilith [sic!]
********** 'I smell it in the air'


E.

:::cough::: Alqualonde :::cough:::

Seriously --I'm very proud to be part of the builds in both Darkwood and Neualtenburg

Nice pictures, but have you thought of taking them in mouselook so that there isn't a hovering man in the middle of all the shots?

Another cool SIM: Cayman

.. Not sure how much of it is zoning and how much of it is just good luck.

Anyone know?

private / single-person controlled sims are an example of zoning in the most basic form - an owner decides to make all of the land the same.

Most private sims have some semblage of nice-looking-ness for this reason.