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Devlin Gallant

Thought Police

Join date: 18 Jun 2003

Posts: 5,948

09-08-2003 03:37

Hey! My $hit DON'T stink! HonestI In fact it smells kinda good. MMMM, get a whiff o' dat.

Eggy Lippmann

Wiktator

Join date: 1 May 2003

Posts: 7,939

09-08-2003 03:47

The point of this game is to express your creativity collaboratively. It has been said many times and is common knowledge.
Engaging in collaboration, or charity, does not a communist make. A communist regime is that which enforces an odd notion of equality for everyone, by centrally controlling resource distribution.
I understand that there are many types of people in the world, and that all of us have our weird little fetish.
While I encourage tolerance and respect for people's individuality I cannot begin to imagine what the huge turn-on is for those who sit around watching a little number increase... only to then complain that you have way too much cash and nothing to do with it.
Hey, lets put it this way, if someone invented one of those food replicators from star trek, and you could all of a sudden create food out of thin air, what would be the most logical step?
a)Let everyone have as much food as they wanted
b)Create artificial restrictions on food production so that some people would continue to fatten from excess food intake, while millions continue to starve from eating too little.

I say bleh, and I will continue to make all my objects and events and whatever available for free.
And if someone gets on my nerves too much I promise I will set up a shop right next to theirs selling equal or better objects for $1.
Thats capitalism for you =P
Remember, its a game, not a career. You are here to have fun, and if you're not having fun you're doing the wrong thing.
I was tired of building so I started scripting instead. When I get sick of scripting I might learn some photoshop and start making some clothes. If I somehow manage to get tired of EVERYTHING - which I doubt will ever happen - I will just play some other game instead.
You should never have to think of what you do as "work", and therefore you should never feel the need for compensation. Either you do what you enjoy or you dont do it. And if what you enjoy is watching your money grow, then dont whine that you have nothing to do with it.

Maerl Underthorn

i love almonds

Join date: 27 Jun 2003

Posts: 370

09-08-2003 03:47

How could there be any question of acquiring or possessing, when the one thing needful for a man is to become -- to be at last, and to die in the fullness of his being.
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery

<sniff sniff> EwWWWWwwwWWWww DEV!!!! clean that up!!!!!

Eggy Lippmann

Wiktator

Join date: 1 May 2003

Posts: 7,939

09-08-2003 03:48

From: someone

Originally posted by Devlin Gallant
Hey! My $hit DON'T stink! HonestI In fact it smells kinda good. MMMM, get a whiff o' dat.

Speaking of fetishists...

Maerl Underthorn

i love almonds

Join date: 27 Jun 2003

Posts: 370

09-08-2003 03:53

Ill take Scatalogical References for $100 please Alex..........

Eggy Lippmann

Wiktator

Join date: 1 May 2003

Posts: 7,939

09-08-2003 03:54

From: someone

Originally posted by Maerl Underthorn
How could there be any question of acquiring or possessing, when the one thing needful for a man is to become -- to be at last, and to die in the fullness of his being.
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery

<sniff sniff> EwWWWWwwwWWWww DEV!!!! clean that up!!!!!

Oh, Maerl, quoting our friend Antoine, are we?
While we're at it, let me share with you one of my favorite quotes. Sorry if i get something wrong, this is from memory.

"Perfection is not achieved when there is nothing else to add, but rather when there's nothing left to remove"
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Kinda fits in with SL if you think of it. Both me and Hiro once made chairs with a grid pattern - I was an ignorant noob and made everything with prims, but Hiro made something simpler with an alpha texture. Which is the better chair?

Maerl Underthorn

i love almonds

Join date: 27 Jun 2003

Posts: 370

09-08-2003 03:58

Pure logic is the ruin of the spirit.

the better chair.....hmmm i would say the prim chair...you learned....you "produced"........learning is always more useful when its difficult......

Eggy Lippmann

Wiktator

Join date: 1 May 2003

Posts: 7,939

09-08-2003 04:06

Hmm Maerl, I dont love you anymore

Logic is good, mmkay.
Just because you have different criteria for evaluating a subjective matter doesnt mean you are illogical.

Catherine Cotton

Tis Elfin

Join date: 2 Apr 2003

Posts: 3,001

09-08-2003 04:25

Maerl

I still lub ya

Eggy I think both chairs are equal they both took time to create they both look decent. I personaly perfer textures and prims meaning I use a lot of prims but add a lot of interesting texture to them.

Show me a dresser with working drawers and knobs I will buy it.

Show me a box with a texture of drawers and I will not.

Its all in the point of view and the perception of what one believes is art and beauty. What I think and you think are two completly different points of view and how we percieve what is around us. If the lindens didnt want me to build they would not of givin me the tools to do so.

Cat C

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Madox Kobayashi

Madox Labs R&D

Join date: 28 Jun 2003

Posts: 402

09-08-2003 05:06

Hey Darwin - I know you were joking, thats what ^_- means

Eggy - usenet? I dont use it for discussion, only to get movi -- uh I mean, ya I dont use it....

And I'm totally with Catherine. Textures are for making things look good - not to cheat on the realism

I'd much prefer a real knob to a textured one. I recently made a wooden deck that is acurately built using joists and beams, just for the fun of doing it that way.

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Madox Kobayashi

Eggy Lippmann

Wiktator

Join date: 1 May 2003

Posts: 7,939

09-08-2003 06:52

Heh, i would prefer not to have a dresser at all. Its not like i actually need it to store crap.
I've been homeless since the very day I entered the game and I have never felt the need to own a house =)

Call me a minimalist.

Pituca FairChang

Married to Garth

Join date: 17 May 2003

Posts: 2,679

09-08-2003 06:58

From: someone

Originally posted by Eggy Lippmann

I've been homeless since the very day I entered the game and I have never felt the need to own a house =)

Call me a minimalist.

Don't forget the castle you built next to me in Shipley Eggs. I remember very well your bookcases, tables and chairs.

***************
Pelican Cove in Shipley 186,85

Madox Kobayashi

Madox Labs R&D

Join date: 28 Jun 2003

Posts: 402

09-08-2003 07:01

Haha
PWNED!

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Madox Kobayashi

David Cartier

Registered User

Join date: 8 Jun 2003

Posts: 1,018

09-08-2003 08:29

We run Mauve very sucessfully so far on a socialist basis - BUT - the resources are still plentiful and we all have ready cash. Socialism always works if everyone is rich.

From: someone

Originally posted by Darwin Appleby
The thing you aren't getting is that if EVERYTHING was to be shared, it would be communisim, and communisim isn't how humans live. Humans are greedy, self absorbed, rude, and arrogant, and basicly American. Those who aren't release things open source, but I don't think it's fair to expect everyone to do that. I for one love open source, but I don't expect full rights to anything. As for being one who invented a teleportation device, I believe you missed the point that it was never made, and perhaps you never quite got around to seeing why. And on to being a moralist and goody-two-shoes, then perhaps you'll be happy to know I was the only one who laughed at that, for you seem to have taken it too seriously for your own good.

As for the preceeding posts regarding the actual subject, I apologize.

Maerl Underthorn

i love almonds

Join date: 27 Jun 2003

Posts: 370

09-08-2003 09:18

Ita ok eggy...i love myself enough for both od us <grin>.....and its not the fact of NEEDING a dresser Eggy...its having the imagination and creative drive to MAKE said dresser....out of a cube

La perfection est atteinte non quand il ne reste rien à ajouter, mais quand il ne reste rien à enlever.
(You know you've achieved perfection in design, not when you have nothing more to add, but when you have nothing more to take away.)
Antoine-Marie-Roger de Saint-Exupery .......

Catherine Cotton

Tis Elfin

Join date: 2 Apr 2003

Posts: 3,001

09-08-2003 11:40

From: someone

Originally posted by Madox Kobayashi
Hey Darwin - I know you were joking, thats what ^_- means

Eggy - usenet? I dont use it for discussion, only to get movi -- uh I mean, ya I dont use it....

And I'm totally with Catherine. Textures are for making things look good - not to cheat on the realism I'd much prefer a real knob to a textured one. I recently made a wooden deck that is acurately built using joists and beams, just for the fun of doing it that way.

WOOT I would love to see that! Sounds fantastic!

CatC

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Madox Kobayashi

Madox Labs R&D

Join date: 28 Jun 2003

Posts: 402

09-08-2003 11:48

Hehe I'm flattered by your enthousiasm. Click on the link in my sig to see it (its at my home)

Probably try to have some events there soon

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Madox Kobayashi

Eggy Lippmann

Wiktator

Join date: 1 May 2003

Posts: 7,939

09-08-2003 19:03

From: someone

Originally posted by Pituca Chang
Don't forget the castle you built next to me in Shipley Eggs. I remember very well your bookcases, tables and chairs.

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It was supposed to be a library project which would hold the writing of SL players. I even uploaded some of my stuff but never got around to collecting the works of others since right after I had that idea I got into the disco project and so I gave up on it.
It was never a house - it had no floor or ceiling, or room of any kind. I didnt come from TSO so I'm not obsessed with housing and interior decoration =P
It was just an open space with 2 tables, 8 chairs and a single bookcase that remained empty.
We have many garden libraries in Portugal, in fact, most of our large gardens have cafe-style libraries where you get your book, mag or paper from a kiosk and sit around quietly reading and enjoying nature. If you would care to visit me one of these days, I could show you around Jardim da Estrela (Star Garden) where I often go with my girlfriend.
If you would care for some more info on it: http://www.cm-lisboa.pt/index.php?id_categoria=63&id_item=1668#4
(use the fish)

Who is selling my books?
Devlin Gallant Thought Police Join date: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 5,948	09-08-2003 03:37 Hey! My $hit DON'T stink! HonestI In fact it smells kinda good. MMMM, get a whiff o' dat.
Eggy Lippmann Wiktator Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 7,939	09-08-2003 03:47 The point of this game is to express your creativity collaboratively. It has been said many times and is common knowledge. Engaging in collaboration, or charity, does not a communist make. A communist regime is that which enforces an odd notion of equality for everyone, by centrally controlling resource distribution. I understand that there are many types of people in the world, and that all of us have our weird little fetish. While I encourage tolerance and respect for people's individuality I cannot begin to imagine what the huge turn-on is for those who sit around watching a little number increase... only to then complain that you have way too much cash and nothing to do with it. Hey, lets put it this way, if someone invented one of those food replicators from star trek, and you could all of a sudden create food out of thin air, what would be the most logical step? a)Let everyone have as much food as they wanted b)Create artificial restrictions on food production so that some people would continue to fatten from excess food intake, while millions continue to starve from eating too little. I say bleh, and I will continue to make all my objects and events and whatever available for free. And if someone gets on my nerves too much I promise I will set up a shop right next to theirs selling equal or better objects for $1. Thats capitalism for you =P Remember, its a game, not a career. You are here to have fun, and if you're not having fun you're doing the wrong thing. I was tired of building so I started scripting instead. When I get sick of scripting I might learn some photoshop and start making some clothes. If I somehow manage to get tired of EVERYTHING - which I doubt will ever happen - I will just play some other game instead. You should never have to think of what you do as "work", and therefore you should never feel the need for compensation. Either you do what you enjoy or you dont do it. And if what you enjoy is watching your money grow, then dont whine that you have nothing to do with it.
Maerl Underthorn i love almonds Join date: 27 Jun 2003 Posts: 370	09-08-2003 03:47 How could there be any question of acquiring or possessing, when the one thing needful for a man is to become -- to be at last, and to die in the fullness of his being. --Antoine de Saint-Exupery <sniff sniff> EwWWWWwwwWWWww DEV!!!! clean that up!!!!!
Eggy Lippmann Wiktator Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 7,939	09-08-2003 03:48 From: someone Originally posted by Devlin Gallant Hey! My $hit DON'T stink! HonestI In fact it smells kinda good. MMMM, get a whiff o' dat. Speaking of fetishists...
Maerl Underthorn i love almonds Join date: 27 Jun 2003 Posts: 370	09-08-2003 03:53 Ill take Scatalogical References for $100 please Alex..........
Eggy Lippmann Wiktator Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 7,939	09-08-2003 03:54 From: someone Originally posted by Maerl Underthorn How could there be any question of acquiring or possessing, when the one thing needful for a man is to become -- to be at last, and to die in the fullness of his being. --Antoine de Saint-Exupery <sniff sniff> EwWWWWwwwWWWww DEV!!!! clean that up!!!!! Oh, Maerl, quoting our friend Antoine, are we? While we're at it, let me share with you one of my favorite quotes. Sorry if i get something wrong, this is from memory. "Perfection is not achieved when there is nothing else to add, but rather when there's nothing left to remove" --Antoine de Saint-Exupery Kinda fits in with SL if you think of it. Both me and Hiro once made chairs with a grid pattern - I was an ignorant noob and made everything with prims, but Hiro made something simpler with an alpha texture. Which is the better chair?
Maerl Underthorn i love almonds Join date: 27 Jun 2003 Posts: 370	09-08-2003 03:58 Pure logic is the ruin of the spirit. the better chair.....hmmm i would say the prim chair...you learned....you "produced"........learning is always more useful when its difficult......
Eggy Lippmann Wiktator Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 7,939	09-08-2003 04:06 Hmm Maerl, I dont love you anymore Logic is good, mmkay. Just because you have different criteria for evaluating a subjective matter doesnt mean you are illogical.
Catherine Cotton Tis Elfin Join date: 2 Apr 2003 Posts: 3,001	09-08-2003 04:25 Maerl I still lub ya Eggy I think both chairs are equal they both took time to create they both look decent. I personaly perfer textures and prims meaning I use a lot of prims but add a lot of interesting texture to them. Show me a dresser with working drawers and knobs I will buy it. Show me a box with a texture of drawers and I will not. Its all in the point of view and the perception of what one believes is art and beauty. What I think and you think are two completly different points of view and how we percieve what is around us. If the lindens didnt want me to build they would not of givin me the tools to do so. Cat C _____________________
Madox Kobayashi Madox Labs R&D Join date: 28 Jun 2003 Posts: 402	09-08-2003 05:06 Hey Darwin - I know you were joking, thats what ^_- means Eggy - usenet? I dont use it for discussion, only to get movi -- uh I mean, ya I dont use it.... And I'm totally with Catherine. Textures are for making things look good - not to cheat on the realism I'd much prefer a real knob to a textured one. I recently made a wooden deck that is acurately built using joists and beams, just for the fun of doing it that way. _____________________ Madox Kobayashi
Eggy Lippmann Wiktator Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 7,939	09-08-2003 06:52 Heh, i would prefer not to have a dresser at all. Its not like i actually need it to store crap. I've been homeless since the very day I entered the game and I have never felt the need to own a house =) Call me a minimalist.
Pituca FairChang Married to Garth Join date: 17 May 2003 Posts: 2,679	09-08-2003 06:58 From: someone Originally posted by Eggy Lippmann I've been homeless since the very day I entered the game and I have never felt the need to own a house =) Call me a minimalist. Don't forget the castle you built next to me in Shipley Eggs. I remember very well your bookcases, tables and chairs. *************** Pelican Cove in Shipley 186,85
Madox Kobayashi Madox Labs R&D Join date: 28 Jun 2003 Posts: 402	09-08-2003 07:01 Haha PWNED! _____________________ Madox Kobayashi
David Cartier Registered User Join date: 8 Jun 2003 Posts: 1,018	09-08-2003 08:29 We run Mauve very sucessfully so far on a socialist basis - BUT - the resources are still plentiful and we all have ready cash. Socialism always works if everyone is rich. From: someone Originally posted by Darwin Appleby The thing you aren't getting is that if EVERYTHING was to be shared, it would be communisim, and communisim isn't how humans live. Humans are greedy, self absorbed, rude, and arrogant, and basicly American. Those who aren't release things open source, but I don't think it's fair to expect everyone to do that. I for one love open source, but I don't expect full rights to anything. As for being one who invented a teleportation device, I believe you missed the point that it was never made, and perhaps you never quite got around to seeing why. And on to being a moralist and goody-two-shoes, then perhaps you'll be happy to know I was the only one who laughed at that, for you seem to have taken it too seriously for your own good. As for the preceeding posts regarding the actual subject, I apologize.
Maerl Underthorn i love almonds Join date: 27 Jun 2003 Posts: 370	09-08-2003 09:18 Ita ok eggy...i love myself enough for both od us <grin>.....and its not the fact of NEEDING a dresser Eggy...its having the imagination and creative drive to MAKE said dresser....out of a cube La perfection est atteinte non quand il ne reste rien à ajouter, mais quand il ne reste rien à enlever. (You know you've achieved perfection in design, not when you have nothing more to add, but when you have nothing more to take away.) Antoine-Marie-Roger de Saint-Exupery .......
Catherine Cotton Tis Elfin Join date: 2 Apr 2003 Posts: 3,001	09-08-2003 11:40 From: someone Originally posted by Madox Kobayashi Hey Darwin - I know you were joking, thats what ^_- means Eggy - usenet? I dont use it for discussion, only to get movi -- uh I mean, ya I dont use it.... And I'm totally with Catherine. Textures are for making things look good - not to cheat on the realism I'd much prefer a real knob to a textured one. I recently made a wooden deck that is acurately built using joists and beams, just for the fun of doing it that way. WOOT I would love to see that! Sounds fantastic! CatC _____________________
Madox Kobayashi Madox Labs R&D Join date: 28 Jun 2003 Posts: 402	09-08-2003 11:48 Hehe I'm flattered by your enthousiasm. Click on the link in my sig to see it (its at my home) Probably try to have some events there soon _____________________ Madox Kobayashi
Eggy Lippmann Wiktator Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 7,939	09-08-2003 19:03 From: someone Originally posted by Pituca Chang Don't forget the castle you built next to me in Shipley Eggs. I remember very well your bookcases, tables and chairs. [/COLOR] It was supposed to be a library project which would hold the writing of SL players. I even uploaded some of my stuff but never got around to collecting the works of others since right after I had that idea I got into the disco project and so I gave up on it. It was never a house - it had no floor or ceiling, or room of any kind. I didnt come from TSO so I'm not obsessed with housing and interior decoration =P It was just an open space with 2 tables, 8 chairs and a single bookcase that remained empty. We have many garden libraries in Portugal, in fact, most of our large gardens have cafe-style libraries where you get your book, mag or paper from a kiosk and sit around quietly reading and enjoying nature. If you would care to visit me one of these days, I could show you around Jardim da Estrela (Star Garden) where I often go with my girlfriend. If you would care for some more info on it: http://www.cm-lisboa.pt/index.php?id_categoria=63&id_item=1668#4 (use the fish)

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