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Who is selling my books?

Candie Apple
Senior Mumbler
Join date: 1 Apr 2003
Posts: 477
09-05-2003 07:17
Someone is selling my books. Most of them are brown leather and have titles. One person told me he bought one at Burning Life.

I am not selling any of my books. I'm unsure of how someone can put your objects up for sale instead of you, but the sales transaction came back to me twice. Pretty bizarre.

If you know who is selling them, I would appreciate if you would either let me know, or file a report with Linden.

Thanks,
Candie
Ezhar Fairlight
professional slacker
Join date: 30 Jun 2003
Posts: 310
09-05-2003 09:19
You "misplaced" one of your books in Mocha, very close to the Mauve (Burning Life) sim, at the blinking "Disco Tonight" installation. It's probably that one :)
Candie Apple
Senior Mumbler
Join date: 1 Apr 2003
Posts: 477
09-05-2003 09:56
LOL ok thanks Ezhar. I'll go pick it up.

Candie
James Miller
Village Idiot
Join date: 9 Jan 2003
Posts: 1,500
09-05-2003 12:32
AH! Yes! That is it! That's where I purchased it. So sorry, Candie, that I couldn't help.
Huns Valen
Don't PM me here.
Join date: 3 May 2003
Posts: 2,749
09-05-2003 21:31
There was a bug (patched a couple minor releases ago) where someone could take a locked object they'd bought, put it in an object, and have the object rez it, and then it'd be unlocked. Fortunately this isn't possible anymore, but anything sold pre-patch may have been "hacked" in this way.

You can usually tell this has been done because the object will say that the creator was such-and-such instead of you.

I sure hope no one did that to a voting station, know what I mean? :rolleyes:
Eggy Lippmann
Wiktator
Join date: 1 May 2003
Posts: 7,939
09-06-2003 19:09
I'm prolly just being paranoid here, but if you're talking about my voting station replicas (the question stations that i put up in burning life), I built those entirely from scratch, and while they seemed pretty similar to the real ones, I used different textures commonly available to anyone.
Not that I dont know how to "steal" textures from any object, locked or unlocked, pre or post patch, but it would be too much work (and would prolly get me in trouble anyway).
Catherine Cotton
Tis Elfin
Join date: 2 Apr 2003
Posts: 3,001
THATS SO WRONG EGGY
09-07-2003 04:49
"Not that I dont know how to "steal" textures from any object, locked or unlocked, pre or post patch, but it would be too much work (and would prolly get me in trouble anyway)."


oh thats just great NOT

Geez ppl
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Taylor Thompson
Registered User
Join date: 29 Jun 2003
Posts: 170
09-07-2003 07:54
You had a book making class and gave those book textures away, but now you don't want people to have them or what ? You made no comments such as you are not allowed to sell these books you make today ect. I'm selling a book and I'm not going to stop. This ridiculesness needs to stop. If it was marked copyable, or you gave a texture away, it can be sold. Now since youve figured it out it was your actual book are you still saying you dont want these books sold???That doesnt make sense becuase you gave those texutres out and you DID have a book making event,. So therefore people will make the books, and will sell them. Maybe next time think twice before having a event such as that. I’m kind of shocked you would even post something like this. You cant just change your mind and demand to know and tell people to “report it” theres nothing to report if your simply upset people are now selling the books. The lindens arnt you own personal patrol of officers , this isnt a world where you get to play queen and make up the rules as you go along. Sorry If I sound harsh but Im shocked as this
Candie Apple
Senior Mumbler
Join date: 1 Apr 2003
Posts: 477
09-07-2003 08:57
If you have the book textures from my book making class, which I gave out with express permission to create and sell books from them, everything is still the same. You are perfectly free to make and sell books from them.

If anyone would like those free book textures, please IM me. They are still available.

The books in my post above are made from entirely different textures, which I have never given to anyone.

Thanks,
Candie
Antagonistic Protagonist
Zeta
Join date: 29 Jun 2003
Posts: 467
09-07-2003 09:31
From: someone
You had a book making class and gave those book textures away, but now you don't want people to have them or what ? You made no comments such as you are not allowed to sell these books you make today ect. I'm selling a book and I'm not going to stop. This ridiculesness needs to stop. If it was marked copyable, or you gave a texture away, it can be sold. Now since youve figured it out it was your actual book are you still saying you dont want these books sold???That doesnt make sense becuase you gave those texutres out and you DID have a book making event,. So therefore people will make the books, and will sell them. Maybe next time think twice before having a event such as that. I’m kind of shocked you would even post something like this. You cant just change your mind and demand to know and tell people to “report it” theres nothing to report if your simply upset people are now selling the books. The lindens arnt you own personal patrol of officers , this isnt a world where you get to play queen and make up the rules as you go along. Sorry If I sound harsh but Im shocked as this


And people wonder why I don't want to teach any classes :-)
Taylor Thompson
Registered User
Join date: 29 Jun 2003
Posts: 170
09-07-2003 10:13
Candie- Alright sorry I diddnt realize there was differnt ones and the one you described sounded like a book from that class





-- Antagonistic -- what does my post have anything to do with not teaching? She taught a book class and I thought that was what she was talking about, her books from that class. I dont find it fair if that had been the case that she taught a class and then after a few months tells people not to sell them anymore, so not sure what the heck that has to do with having a class. Its simple if you dont want to share a texture/object just dont give it out it has nothign to do with teaching
si Money
The nice demon.
Join date: 21 May 2003
Posts: 477
09-07-2003 12:41
Candie, dear, don't take this too harshly but..

You seem to be complaining on a weekly basis that someone has stolen/taken/reused something new of yours every week. If you're really so worried about other people having/taking/reusing things you bring into SL, you should really just stop bringing anything at all into this game.

It's a fairly free community here. While everyone tries to keep a mutual respect level and tries not to be inappropriate with other people's materials, there is also noone looking to re-create the stupid and anal copyright/patent/trademark legal system that exists in the US today.

Honestly, if something is that personal and means that much to you that noone else have it, don't put it in SL, at all. It has no place here other than to get complaints about copyright violations when you start seeing it elsewhere.
Darwin Appleby
I Was Beaten With Satan
Join date: 14 Mar 2003
Posts: 2,779
09-07-2003 13:15
OK This may be off topic but I can't help it.... Eggy I'm not gonna let ya get away with this one. If there's a texture someone makes... or anything someone makes, your motive for not taking it should be civility or respect, not that' it's too much work for you.
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Antagonistic Protagonist
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Join date: 29 Jun 2003
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09-07-2003 13:16
From: someone
-- Antagonistic -- what does my post have anything to do with not teaching? She taught a book class and I thought that was what she was talking about, her books from that class. I dont find it fair if that had been the case that she taught a class and then after a few months tells people not to sell them anymore, so not sure what the heck that has to do with having a class. Its simple if you dont want to share a texture/object just dont give it out it has nothign to do with teaching.


Having to deal with people jumping to conclusions about the wrong thing is my main problem ;-) I can avoid that by not teaching :-)

with regards,
Antagonistic Protagonist
Darwin Appleby
I Was Beaten With Satan
Join date: 14 Mar 2003
Posts: 2,779
09-07-2003 13:19
From: someone
Originally posted by Antagonistic Protaginist

And people wonder why I don't want to teach any classes :-)

From: someone
Originally posted by Taylor Thompson

-- Antagonistic -- what does my post have anything to do with not teaching? She taught a book class and I thought that was what she was talking about, her books from that class. I dont find it fair if that had been the case that she taught a class and then after a few months tells people not to sell them anymore, so not sure what the heck that has to do with having a class. Its simple if you dont want to share a texture/object just dont give it out it has nothign to do with teaching


Taylor, if you still don't see anything odd with this exchange then reading comprehension might not be your favorite subject.
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Taylor Thompson
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09-07-2003 13:19
jumping to conclusions hardly. I made a mistake, big whoop but considering Candies past it wouldnt be surprising if it was the books that she had given away that shes now asking for back so dont act like Im totaly in the wrong. And surprisng enough one of the books from the class fits her description to a T. Wouldnt shock me if she ment those books and now realizes shes wrong so shes saying its not them
Darwin Appleby
I Was Beaten With Satan
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09-07-2003 13:20
Oh Ant beat me too it... more tactfully too... ah well last post still stands lol
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Taylor Thompson
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Join date: 29 Jun 2003
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09-07-2003 13:26
Oh please! Search for all of candies posts you will see why I asumed this was the issue, and if youve talked to her you would totaly understand why I thought she ment texutres she had given out already
feniks Stone
At the End of the World
Join date: 25 Nov 2002
Posts: 787
ACK!
09-07-2003 14:30
Ok so knowing most of the posters in this thread, I have to say that it has turned into a big misunderstanding that should be moved on from.

I can completely understand Taylor's intial reaction, tho being wrong, she quickly apoligized after a very clear, non flamtory, well written post from Candie. To quote Forrest Gump, "sh*t happens". (Maybe I should cross post that in the famous quote thread.) So then, again, may I suggest our engeries be placed elsewhere...?


fen-
Catherine Cotton
Tis Elfin
Join date: 2 Apr 2003
Posts: 3,001
OK Enough
09-07-2003 15:39
Ok I gotta say it folks "Enough" I know Candie and I know she is not like some things that have been said.

Sometimes the inuendos are much worse than "real insults".

I have seen Candie busting her hump for months holding events some I personaly have attended. I know she is not rich nor is she greedy. She is a wonderful person with a heart of gold who deserves any monitary gain from her many many creative and more so innovative ideas. If you know her then you also know what I just said. Its ment for those who cast stones without knowing Candie.

When a discussion starts to turn ugly then everyone needs to take a good hard look at them selves.

"Judge not less ye be judged"

I think this was all blown way out of hand and it needs to stop. PLEASE.

This is not a frank discussion and your hurting someone I consider to be a great talent and a great friend.

Now go have some fun and leave all this junk to the 1st life.

Thanks for listening :D

Catherine Cotton
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Eggy Lippmann
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09-07-2003 20:07
Regarding textures and "stealing" I think I have made it clear enough, several times over, that in a digital world where everything is easily copiable without any effort required, restricting this wonderful ability is sacrilege.
I believe everything should be free to copy and that is why I put everything I make at the bazaar, and why I put "stealing" in quotes.
Stealing something is not stealing unless you are deprived of the thing's ownership - meaning, you no longer have it.
Copyrights, trademarks, and patents, are evil tools of our corporate overlords, and the world would be far better off without them.
Besides, they are linden textures, and the voting stations are free to copy. The only reason why we cant simply take the textures out is because by allowing the booths to be unlocked people could tamper with their scripts.
As for the lesson in morals, this coming from the person who alledgedly invented a means of free teleportation to avoid paying the lindens their rightful fee, is at the very least hilarious.
I couldnt care less about your silly moralist stance anyway. I'm not a goody-two-shoes or a touchy-feely person.
The very reason why I'm an atheist is because of christian "morals", the harm they've done to the world and the hipocrisy behind them.
Darwin Appleby
I Was Beaten With Satan
Join date: 14 Mar 2003
Posts: 2,779
09-07-2003 20:27
The thing you aren't getting is that if EVERYTHING was to be shared, it would be communisim, and communisim isn't how humans live. Humans are greedy, self absorbed, rude, and arrogant, and basicly American. Those who aren't release things open source, but I don't think it's fair to expect everyone to do that. I for one love open source, but I don't expect full rights to anything. As for being one who invented a teleportation device, I believe you missed the point that it was never made, and perhaps you never quite got around to seeing why. And on to being a moralist and goody-two-shoes, then perhaps you'll be happy to know I was the only one who laughed at that, for you seem to have taken it too seriously for your own good.

As for the preceeding posts regarding the actual subject, I apologize.

:D
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Madox Kobayashi
Madox Labs R&D
Join date: 28 Jun 2003
Posts: 402
09-07-2003 20:43
OMG what a thread.

We've gone from someone wondering where their lost item, that has buy enabled, is - to christian morals being hipocritical and all humans being American.

I know Americans think they are the center of the universe and their s___ dont stink but come on ^_-
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Darwin Appleby
I Was Beaten With Satan
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09-07-2003 21:04
Hmmm... I was making a joke. I was saying that all Americans are greedy, self absorbed, rude, and arrogant. It was supposed to be funny but oh well lol
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Eggy Lippmann
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09-08-2003 03:19
From: someone
Originally posted by Madox Kobayashi
OMG what a thread.

We've gone from someone wondering where their lost item, that has buy enabled, is - to christian morals being hipocritical and all humans being American.

I know Americans think they are the center of the universe and their s___ dont stink but come on ^_-

heh madox, you dont hang out in usenet much do you?
nntp forever baby!
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