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blaze Spinnaker
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Join date: 12 Aug 2004
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01-21-2005 15:23
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Merwan Marker
Booring...
Join date: 28 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,706
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01-22-2005 11:07
My access to the SLEx Forums was restored sometime this morning, Sat. 1/22/2005.
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Surreal Farber
Cat Herder
Join date: 5 Feb 2004
Posts: 2,059
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01-22-2005 11:16
Do a search on popular items and then just make sure you've sent a message to all the people in the top 100 popular items. Use firefox, opening up new web tabs with ctrl-click is very useful.. Blaze, Let me tell you what I told Ulrika. If indeed I get a bunch of IMs or notecards because of your incitement... I will do my level best to determine if the Lindens consider Incitement to Harrass a violation of the TOS. Surreal |
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Moopf Murray
Moopfmerising
Join date: 7 Jan 2004
Posts: 2,448
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01-22-2005 11:24
Blaze, Let me tell you what I told Ulrika. If indeed I get a bunch of IMs or notecards because of your incitement... I will do my level best to determine if the Lindens consider Incitement to Harrass a violation of the TOS. Surreal Depends whether they consider "incitement to be a complete and utter unethical arse", like Apotheus, a violation as well  |
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Surreal Farber
Cat Herder
Join date: 5 Feb 2004
Posts: 2,059
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01-22-2005 11:28
Depends whether they consider "incitement to be a complete and utter unethical arse", like Apotheus, a violation as well The two matters are seperate. If someone wants to try and get the Lindens to take on the SLEx problem, go for it. Start harrassing me about pretty much anything in world and I'll deal with it. Unless of course they track down that plague of spiders that overran Deimos the other day - THAT I will firmly deny. (*hides spider suit*) Surreal |
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Moopf Murray
Moopfmerising
Join date: 7 Jan 2004
Posts: 2,448
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01-22-2005 11:44
The two matters are seperate. If someone wants to try and get the Lindens to take on the SLEx problem, go for it. Start harrassing me about pretty much anything in world and I'll deal with it. Unless of course they track down that plague of spiders that overran Deimos the other day - THAT I will firmly deny. (*hides spider suit*) Surreal Not true, strictly speaking though, are they. I think blaze has been way over the top for the last couple of days, whilst maybe not being in violation of the TOS. Is Apotheus in violation of the TOS for influencing the community to accept a position against another member of the community as well with his original post? Surely his original post was an attempt to influence the community to think a certain way about another member, which is a TOS violation. And Merwan has posted something yesterday to influence the community against another person. It's an absolute, gods-honest, 100%, without-a-doubt mess, and all claims with regards to the TOS are off. Disagree with it morally, disagree with it ehtically (as I have), but don't expect the TOS to be your friend here as this is much more complex than it can cope with and LL would have to suspend me, you, and everybody's dog for what's been said. |
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Roberta Dalek
Probably trouble
Join date: 21 Oct 2004
Posts: 1,174
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01-22-2005 11:45
My access to the SLEx Forums was restored sometime this morning, Sat. 1/22/2005. _/_/_/ Oh good. This was also posted some time on Saturday morning as well: "Placement of new SL Exchange terminals has been halted until further notice." |
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Jonquille Noir
Lemon Fresh
Join date: 17 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,025
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01-22-2005 11:50
Not true, strictly speaking though, are they. I think blaze has been way over the top for the last couple of days, whilst maybe not being in violation of the TOS. Is Apotheus in violation of the TOS for influencing the community to accept a position against another member of the community as well with his original post? Surely his original post was an attempt to influence the community to think a certain way about another member, which is a TOS violation. And Merwan has posted something yesterday to influence the community against another person. It's an absolute, gods-honest, 100%, without-a-doubt mess, and all claims with regards to the TOS are off. Disagree with it morally, disagree with it ehtically (as I have), but don't expect the TOS to be your friend here as this is much more complex than it can cope with and LL would have to suspend me, you, and everybody's dog for what's been said. What they post in the forums is read by, and can be judged and/or removed by, the Lindens. If they start spamming people in world with notecards, that is a seperate incident and should be reported, so it too can be judged by the Lindens. _____________________
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Moopf Murray
Moopfmerising
Join date: 7 Jan 2004
Posts: 2,448
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01-22-2005 11:53
What they post in the forums is read by, and can be judged and/or removed by, the Lindens. If they start spamming people in world with notecards, that is a seperate incident and should be reported, so it too can be judged by the Lindens. Maybe, and I had issues with Ulrika yesterday for using my quote in her own propaganda in in-world notecards. The point is don't expect the TOS to support you here, make your own stand on your own basis, don't expect LL to tidy up this god forsaken mess as it's not cut out for it and I doubt they'll get involved because they want to see the outcome the community rests with. |
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Jonquille Noir
Lemon Fresh
Join date: 17 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,025
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01-22-2005 11:57
Maybe, and I had issues with Ulrika yesterday for using my quote in her own propaganda in in-world notecards. The point is don't expect the TOS to support you here, make your own stand on your own basis, don't expect LL to tidy up this god forsaken mess as it's not cut out for it and I doubt they'll get involved because they want to see the outcome the community rests with. I don't expect this mess to be tidied up until the next scandal comes along for people to sink their teeth into, then they'll get bored with this one and move on to try to get their glory elsewhere. I also had a problem with Ulrika using my quote, but considering my posts to her, she knew that well before she used it and didn't care. As long as it fits her agenda, who cares what anyone else wants? _____________________
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blaze Spinnaker
1/2 Serious
Join date: 12 Aug 2004
Posts: 5,898
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01-22-2005 12:06
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |
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Moopf Murray
Moopfmerising
Join date: 7 Jan 2004
Posts: 2,448
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01-22-2005 12:30
I don't expect this mess to be tidied up until the next scandal comes along for people to sink their teeth into, then they'll get bored with this one and move on to try to get their glory elsewhere. I also had a problem with Ulrika using my quote, but considering my posts to her, she knew that well before she used it and didn't care. As long as it fits her agenda, who cares what anyone else wants? That doesn't actually make the judgement that this mess will be sorted out at all - just that the fickle community will move into the next big injustice or problem. There is something I want to say with regards to Ulrika, however. I spoke to her via. email a few days ago regarding my sldata.com system which, with some work, could be turned into an slexchange.com type web shopping system. I made it clear to Ulrika that I did not wish to work towards such a think until I had found out what happened with slexchange.com. It's in my interests to state this now as I suppose it's the sort of thing that Ulrika could throw back at me in the guise of being unethical in the future. My idea for the system, however, was to be one that was completely free both in-world and on the web. |
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Merwan Marker
Booring...
Join date: 28 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,706
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01-22-2005 12:36
Mooph I've extended an invitation to meet with you inWorld - I'd like to talk with you directly.
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Surreal Farber
Cat Herder
Join date: 5 Feb 2004
Posts: 2,059
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01-22-2005 12:50
Not true, strictly speaking though, are they. I think blaze has been way over the top for the last couple of days, whilst maybe not being in violation of the TOS. Is Apotheus in violation of the TOS for influencing the community to accept a position against another member of the community as well with his original post? Surely his original post was an attempt to influence the community to think a certain way about another member, which is a TOS violation. And Merwan has posted something yesterday to influence the community against another person. It's an absolute, gods-honest, 100%, without-a-doubt mess, and all claims with regards to the TOS are off. Disagree with it morally, disagree with it ehtically (as I have), but don't expect the TOS to be your friend here as this is much more complex than it can cope with and LL would have to suspend me, you, and everybody's dog for what's been said. Yes.. it is seperate. If someone wants to ask the Lindens to examine any part of the SLEx mess, they should go for it. I'm sure some forum warnings have already been given out considering some of the over the top things that have been said. My point is... if anyone starts harrassing ME in world, I will be spending some quality time with the Lindens finding out if inciting to harrass is as much of a TOS violation as doing the actual harrassment. In other words, I will pursue actions directed towads me vigorously. Surreal |
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Surreal Farber
Cat Herder
Join date: 5 Feb 2004
Posts: 2,059
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01-22-2005 12:53
That doesn't actually make the judgement that this mess will be sorted out at all - just that the fickle community will move into the next big injustice or problem. Yeah.  Surreal |
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Jonquille Noir
Lemon Fresh
Join date: 17 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,025
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01-22-2005 13:11
That doesn't actually make the judgement that this mess will be sorted out at all - just that the fickle community will move into the next big injustice or problem. Correct.. But I bet it would be a whole lot easier for them to work something out without 20 people all making demands from them and threats to them and trying to ride their coattails into revolutionary glory. _____________________
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Merwan Marker
Booring...
Join date: 28 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,706
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01-22-2005 13:40
My access to the SLEx Forums was restored sometime this morning, Sat. 1/22/2005. _/_/_/ To clarify further - this is access only to the message forums - NOT admin access to the website. _/_/ _____________________
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Moopf Murray
Moopfmerising
Join date: 7 Jan 2004
Posts: 2,448
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01-22-2005 14:45
OK, I have nothing more to say on this matter. I have met with Merwan in-world and, to be honest, I feel like I'm in the twilight zone so it's probably best to say nothing more on the subject and let it play out however it transpires.
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