Suggestion for people who are in the audience at a town hall.

OMG Devlin - you are so wise.

Hmm, let's see. A "global" event with clearly stated rules of common courtesy. A number of people who feel those rules don't apply to them. A number of "god-mode" Lindens present with the ability to insta-ban these discourteous people for the benefit of all the listeners.

Net result: no enforcement. These folks could have been banned for just the duration of the meeting; I'm not advocating cruel and unusual punishment. If the Sergeant-at-Arms won't keep the peace at event like this, is it any wonder that mentors don't want to hold events any longer?

There is a difference between free speech and polite decorum. But don't say "WTF?" in the forums or risk having your post deleted.

No it's not. There were about 15x as many prims onstage as in my pack, each with 10-11 scripts firing events at regular intervals, whereas my pack has one listener and a timer and the rest of the scripts are dormant until they get a link message. When I saw their setup I thought, "I could take it off, but the difference would be negligible."

Additionally, I was not the only person there wearing attachments... again... all of our attachments put together probably wouldn't equal even 1/4 of what was onstage. LL didn't ask anyone to take off attachments. That tells me LL doesn't think it's that big a deal. There was also someone who was rezzing a bunch of stuff off to the side, and they didn't comment about that either.

Thanks for the feedback on problems of audience chat. We plan to revise the design of the repeater so that it only repeats the wise words of those with the last name Linden.

That's no good Haney because what happens is the same thing that's happened with the editing of the chat transcript from last night. Where Philip uses the phrase "pre-public" you've edited out my questions which caused him to explain that comment, so it looks like he rectified his own use of the phrase (which is still odd, I have to say). Only repeating the Lindens ignores that legitimate discourse....but then if you've edited it out of the chat transcript.........

You could do a 7 second delay thing and monitor the lines of text before the repeater sends. If it displays a line that needs to be bleeped (highlight all non linden in another color) - click and remove it from the buffer before it is sent out. 7 second bleepers requires that a human sit there and monitor whats going out tho - probably no hard times finding someone to fill the role.

As far as people chatting and random banter next to you at attendance - seems much like some meat world meetings - with the CEO and all the rabble - I have sat through. Just turn on damage in the seating area

Funny you should ask that, Krashen. The person in question was Donnie Donovan, and he also happened to be the same person who was plugging his birthday event nonstop, and who walked up on stage with Philip at the end before Phil was done talking.

I realize I probably could have been quieter, myself, at the last two town halls. But I think the fact that some of my lines made it into the official transcript (when Haney could have trivially deleted them) shows that I at least had something worthwhile to say.

Of course, I fully favor Linden-only repeaters.

Agreed Cereal, even if "Hey Philip wuts up" is now enshrined in the Town Hall 'Faux Pas' list, there still should be a way to make it more orderly.

i know i'm all unwashed and ignorant and such but what's wrong with saying "hey Philip wuts up"? i listened to both the town halls and the only HPWU i remember was when he first got there and said "hey SL wuts up?" or words like that.

yeah, people need to stifle themselves when he's talking but he's not a god or even King Philip like alot of people were yelling when he showed up. he seems cool but keep the hossannas to a minimum folks.

edit: oops forgot my whole point heh. why don't they make the mics only pick up Lindens? there's the solution. i was surprised when he started talking i could still hear everyone. i thought they were open mics only for the warm up.

Cereal, what you blurted out were thoughtful remarks that (I thought) were made rather spontaneously because you were following Phillip's discussion and you're just the kind of guy who participates interactively.

The repeated 'birthday' question..doesn't fall into that same category, IMO. I shushed him, and apologise if my 'to screen' comment interrupted anyone's 'listening' experience.

Linden Only repeaters, please.

OK. That sounds confusing. Let me explain.

Yes I think the players present at the town hall should be quiet but not silent. There could be a need to clarify a question you asked or... a strong objection to a suggestion put forward, even a problem with the idea being discussed.

Who would voice these concerns ?

Do we remain the 'Silent majority' ?

I like being able to make off-the-cuff (or sometimes out-of-the-ass) remarks at these things, but they're mainly directed at Philip and the whole world doesn't need/want to hear them. Nor does the world need to hear Donnie plugging his worthless events. Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom to hijack someone's megaphone.

I agree with alot of whats being said here.

Cubey, while the live audio stream was great, the only great downfall of it is, theres no textual log, unless someone wants to transcribe it or knows of a good audio-to-text software. Sure you could record it, but reading is sometimes easier to understand whats going on than listening as well. However I did love the audio stream and thought it was a nice format other than the stated downfalls.

Beryl, I think this comes alot from the topics at hand. Cory's town halls seem to usualy be technicly topiceted (yes that is a word, starting now), so they might attract a "less rowdy" crowd than the CEO of the company standing there giving you an open shot to "make him notice me" as I'm sure some have done. However I could be totaly wrong on this and Cory is just lucky enough to get good crowds.

I think if someone speaks out where it obviously isn't needed, or it adds obsolutely no value, or is obviously spam, they should be *warned once*, then if they do it again *kicked out* of the sim. Also it was said before if you teleported anyone in during the event when there was not a chair open, you would be force teleported to the end of the world all night long. I really only recall one person being teleported in, in such a situation, and they ended up staying the whole event.

I understand the Haney is busy, and obviously Philip as well, but another Linden surely could handle this duety(sp).

A note about Linden Only repeaters, I personaly think this is a bad idea as well. Whenever I make an edited log, I leave in any comments in which Philip directly responds too, or that he does not but that add value or view on a topic at hand. Not all comments are pointless, and sometimes they do open up further conversation that is needed on the subject, which is why I think Town Halls still have an audiance, it wouldn't be a Town Hall otherwise.

I forgot to explain the "Hey Phil wuts up" thing. This is actualy a repeat of a previous Town Hall where a user came in the middle of the town hall saying exactly that, and not really going anywhere or shutting up.

Hopefully this sentance will soon go away as its suffering from the Dave Chapel/Rick James syndrom, i.e. "IM RICK JAMES BITCH", its just... not... funny... anymore... let it die.

Oz, I think you're right on track with the warning suggestion. I don't think *all* audience comments at town halls are bad, it's just when they go overboard that it gets really annoying (yes, the birthday thing at the last one falls into this category). Then it crosses the line of being amusing and goes straight to being just plain rude.

I know that Cory's last town hall wasn't exactly a fair comparison; it wasn't as well advertised and probably more people in-world now know of Philip than Cory. Cory is every bit as cool, though, for those of you who don't know him.

I also would love to see LL do more voice broadcasts of town halls, like Philip did for the one-year anniversary celebration. It's a nice change to actually hear a Linden voice; it was also funny to hear Philip try to pronounce players' names!

I couldn't agree more with the need for Linden enforcement. It would be ideal if people were mature enough to police themselves, but it's been made obvious that not everyone is, especially in a crowd.

During the last Town Hall I attended, many of us were there an hour early to make sure we'd have a seat. Once the sim was full and Haney had said several times not to teleport people in, anyone who arrived after that should have been immediately 'escorted' out. (They were easy to spot.. The unrezzed people falling from the sky) Instead, people were offered 100 Lindens to leave. I thought that was pretty crappy, and showed absolutely no backbone. Rewarding someone for completely ignoring the rules only encourages more of the same, not to mention being a slap in the face for everyone who did use common courtesy and followed the rules.

I am sorry to see that you are considering implementing this. I love the hurley burley of SL in all aspects. And to lock out the rest of the world from the comments of the select few present is sad.

I realize that we SLers get out of hand in our silly comments sometimes but I think all of us have to develop "selective hearing". Like the mother of a large family has to block out all the scrapping going on and only hear the cries of real pain.

I just came across this quote in another thread:

"another big draw of SL also happens to be creative chaos that occurs when great minds get together and something magical happens, sustains itself, and then fades into collective memories." --- Torley Torgesson

Torley pretty much summed up my feelings on this subject. I know some just want silence, but a lot of us don't want that silence imposed on us.

I don't know the solution to this problem of silly talk at a serious gathering, but please don't have the Lindens just speaking to us from their glass booths.





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Awww, thank you graciously, Pituca.

I'm looking forward to the next Town Hall.

Grr, Pituckie. Disturb the peace on your Own time.