Eden Security System

I believe there is an option to block teleports but not to hide the island. I don't own an island though so I can't say for sure. Even if the tools aren't that advanced a simple 5-15 second delay before teleporting someone would solve the problem.

I hadn't actually thought there would be this much discussion. My thinking was that they didn't realize what there system was doing. being a scripter I'll even make them a better one if they like.

Talen: Yes, its the owner's right to be annoying and kick people off right a they enter. It is not, however, their right to disconnect your client entirely from SecondLife and force a relog. It is especialy true when the owner is AWARE that this is happening constantly, and regulary.

The reason this is happening is because the script the sim owner uses sucks: The script attempts to teleport you, but neglects to concider the fact that TELEPORTS TAKE TIME. The next sensor sweep finds you again, and attempts to teleport you again. And again. And again.

This causes your client to go bonkers and fall on the floor having a seizure.

If the owner was unaware, then it would have not been their fault. However - the owner is very much aware that the script is faulty. The owner is aware of the technical reason that makes it faulty, and is aware of the need to fix it. The owner decided to continue to cause people to disconnect from SecondLife, and took no action to fix the script or replace it with a proper one.

I know all this information - since last month I contacted the owner after being disconnected by the very same script, and took the time to explain to that person what is happening, why is it happening, and how to correct this. His response was "i'll think about it".

Obviously the decision was to continue and disconnect people from SecondLife.

I have recently E-Mailed a question to Support and asked them if, once the owner is aware of the situation and still chooses not to fix it, it is concidered an abuse. Their reply was that indeed, it is. Feel free to ask the same question yourself if you require a proof. They asked that anyone who continues to disconnect people from secondlife knowingly to be reported to abuse.

Maybe the easy solution would be to increase the script's llSensorRepeat rate value to 30 instead of 15? And, position the scan radius center at the telehub itself.

This should trigger the script on incoming and give enough time for a common teleport procedure to complete before going bonkers.

How can it be abuse when it is their sim? I could understand what you are saying if it were a property on the main grid....but its not. Someone paid $1k for that sim and they have the right to do what they want with it and they don't need to explain to you or anyone else what they are doing. They may have a reason for the script they may not.....either way its none of your business.


The Lindens themselves will be reported for abuse then. If you use the land tools to lock down the sim then the very same disconnect can and will happen. It has in the past and it will in the future. One fact is readily apparent.....the people who are paying $1k for a sim shouldn't be held to the whim of people that arent paying their tier and who have to travel off the main grid to be supposedly abused by someone that didn't invite them.

The sim is still part of the grid as a whole, however. Using a script knowningly which causes a disconnect, even if the land tools can do the same thing (I've never had land tools disconnect me, but I guess it can happen) is abuse, because your causing an interuption of service for someone through something that is not Linden Labs fault. If it's linden labs fault, like from the land tools I guess, that's a different issue.

In this case, the means are more important than the end result.

They own the Sim and have the right to eject you from it.

They do not have the right to knowingly servre your connection to the entire grid.

When it is a land tool, its a SecondLife bug and nothing can be done about it.

When its a script that can be edited and corrected to prevent the problem, then it is an actuall offense.

The lindens allready agreed that this is an offence. If you feel like claiming that this is not true althought the Support team says it is, I suggest that you talk to them instead of replying to me on this thread yet again.

Ah but theres the rub. You see if the same script is used on the main grid and its withinn my property then you won't be disconnected because there is adjoining land to bounce to....but if I own a sim and there is no adjoining land to bounce to it would be abuse on my part?

Say the sim isn't in find......and you aren't invited.....just because its on the main grid you have the right to go there ....but I wouldn't have the right to block you?


I don't use these scripts and I don't own a sim but something here is fundementaly flawed when a user is required to pay $1k for a sim and $200.00 a month to use it and they can be considered abusing people for locking their land down.

The land tool does almost the same thing. If you port to a sim that is barred then you hang at the teleport get disconnected or have to log out to get back into the grid.

say I leave my house today and I leave it unlocked....you come by and just invite yourself in.....hey, its there its unlocked I must have wanted you to come in. My dog tears you to shreads as soon as you enter. Are the police going to arrest me or you?

I know this isn't real life but the question should still be there.....just because a private island shows on the grid do you have the right to go there? What if I put it in the find menu with a blurb that all trespassers will be removed via land tools or scripts and you still go there...is it still abuse?

Personally I would never use such a script but I would usethe land tool which can result in the same disconnect and if this happens with the land tool am I still abusing you?

Then the LIndens must also agree that when the land tool does it that it is also an offence. They know it exists and so do sim owners. So if I knowingly use the land tool knowing it could possible disconnect you then that is also abuse. The Lindens are at fault too....but this is a bug
and even though it comes to the same conclusion it doesn't count?

Snipped everything else as it's irrelivant to the subject.

You absolutely have the right to block me.

You do NOT have the right to knowingly sever my connection to the service at large. If it's a linden bug, that's their fault, and you can't do anything about it. But if a user-programed script is doing it, you know it's doing it, and you don't do something to rectify it, you are in the wrong.

Sounds good but months ago residents didn't see it that way. Someone had a private sim on the grid locked with land tools. Many people wen't to see it and were disconnected and or had to log out because of this BUG. They were abuse reprted and torn to shreds in the forum because they kept the land locked knowing that it could and would disconnect them.

You may snip as you see fit and claim it to be irrelevant....but I don't think it will be to someone paying that kind of money for a private sim. Linden Lab has responsibility here as well. This script can be used within your property on the main grid as long as it doesnt reach outside of your property. So by saying its abuse instead of finding a way to make it that a person isn't disconnected they are basically saying ...you can have a private sim but you aren't allowed the same rights of use that a 512m2 land owner has.

If a person on 512 m/2 was using a script that regularly disconnected me, I would consider that just as much of an abuse as a private land owner.

But thats not the question. 512m2 on the main grid is surrounded by land that the script will bounce you to. A private sim isn't. SO the 512m2 person has tools that a private sim owner isn't allowed. The Lindens have no responsibility in the disconnect?

So basically there is absolutely no reason to buy a private sim when a 512m2 land owner has more rights by default.

I'm just playing devils advocate here.....don't own a sim nor any script of the sort and I would never use such a script or want people to be disconnected.

The Lindens have responsibility.

That doesn't negate the responsibility of the person who used the script, though.