What is going on?

I'm going to avoid "ranting" because I'm going to assume that people know what I'm talking about.

- The forum post by Colin Linden
- The now closed post that evolved into Candie Apple's nightmare (if you haven't read it yet, do so before they decide to delete it)
- Misc Linden-based mistakes in the last few months


Go ahead.

The forum post is long overdue.

What candie nightmare?

And what mistakes?

LF

I was very happy to see Colin's post.....hopefully it will alleviate the concerns that many have had lately.

And as for locking Candie's thread....well, I think I'll leave that alone....because who knows why they did it.

And what mistakes? I'm confused Dae.....can you explain a bit more?

Edited to clarify that I was talking about why they locked the thread, not why her accounts were cancelled....I don't want any part of that discussion.

Looks like candie had over 5 accounts, and some of them were canceled. CRY ME A RIVER!
No one sane would ever need FIVE accounts. What on earth would you do with five accounts, if not exploiting some sort of loophole, or using them to neg-rate en masse?
I'll tell you why someone would need more than 5 accounts. On another thread candie posted that the best way to get land would be to buy a lot of premium memberships, since the stipend would pay for the free land over time, if sold on GOM.
I can definitely see why LL saw this as exploiting the system, and I wholeheartedly agree.
Here's a handy hint: If you think you're doing something "clever", you're doing something wrong. If playing SL for you involves an in-depth study of the rules, then you are probably looking for loopholes to exploit.
It's not the first time she's done this sort of thing, and it surely won't be the last.

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I'll agree with Eggy on this one. I don't see a reason to have, perhaps, more than 1 or 2 extra accounts. Sure, it may be an easy way to make extra money off of groups and such, and it does mean more money for Linden Labs, but why would you need 5+ accounts?

As far as Colin's post, I think it was a great idea. Finally lets people know the Lindens stance on TOS/CS violations, abuse reports, and everything else. I like the way they handle things. They try and make it as fair as possible for every single person. The people who complain the most are the one who seem to think they get "screwed" over by LL, but LL is a buisness, and they don't want to screw anyone over, otherwise they'd lose out on money. But they do have to deal with problems as they arise, and therefore, do so in a fair manner. Sometimes that means that someone doesn't get what they want, but hey, that's life. Deal with it and move on, or get out. I have honestly had no problems with Linden Labs, that's because I follow the rules and not worry too much about what others are doing. If I see a TOS violation, I report it, and let the Lindens deal with it. I don't go around demanding to know what happened to so and so because they wronged me, and if I see them in the world 3 days later, and they do it again, I report them again, because that's what needs to be done. I probably won't see them for another 3 days or so, or maybe even never again. I don't know, I don't care, as long as they aren't messing with me. Sooner or later, it will all be over.

All in all, take a deep breath, step outside, breath the clean air, and take a break from SL if it's that bad. This should be relaxing, not a stress maker. And if you still feel the same, then perhaps SL isn't the place for you.

Beg pardon Eggy? Give details please. Facts. Save the assumptions, speculation, and innuendos for a trip to the Jerry Springer show.

Details. Facts. Bring it on. Or shut the fuck up.

Candie

This is great. We can finally stop speculating and relax knowing it's an indisputable established fact that the Lindens are eee-vil personified. I wonder if we can get them to implement a dark stormy sky with a skullfaced moon, spikes of lightning, and the occasional rain of blood. I for one have been waiting for the day when they dropped the cutesey friendly act and ushered SL into a 1,000 year night-on-bald-mountain-esque carnival of the damned.

Think mentors will be renamed "minions"?

The problem is: without details about the going-ons in SL, we're left to speculate and "make trouble" out of things that might otherwise not be troublesome to begin with.

"Minions" would be awesome.

You know, I can't tell you how much this irks me.

- I had over 5 accounts, and some of them were canceled.
- I'm insane for having more than 5 accounts.
- I had these more than 5 accounts for no possible reason other than
1) exploiting some sort of loophole, or
2) to neg-rate en masse
- No, no. I had over 5 accounts to get land
- The over 5 accounts were a lot of premium memberships
- Linden considers this exploiting the system
- It's not the first time I've "done this sort of thing"
- it surely won't be the last time I "do this sort of thing"

All this, ladies and gentleman, from someone who knows ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about my situation. Amazing.

You've missed your calling in writing soap operas, Eggy.

Thank you, Candie. Actually I do write the odd tale and poem, just not a soap opera...
Candie, people arent dumb, or blind. Take your forum posts and Colin's response, play connect the dots.
As for your past and possibly future abuse of the system, hmm, let's see.
I was at your "financial advice" event, candie, and your advice was what was widely known by other players to be unfair or immoral. Land banking, rate mining, milking event money / dwell, and now the accounts for land thing, which people used to call muling before LL decided that it was a GREAT idea to let the "haves" do better in SL than the "have-nots".
IMHO there's two kinds of people around here, and this probably applies to other games and even RL.
The first kind, merrily goes about their business, enjoying the game, and letting others enjoy it. They dont know the rules and still they never break them.
The second kind strives for money, power, recognition, and doesnt care what loophole to exploit or whose toes to step on in their pursuits.
They know the rules very well, they study them, they pull out their god damn calculator and figure out how to stretch them as far as they will go without getting kicked out.
I used to like you candie, you were a good friend back in beta and I still treasure the memories of our former friendship. Back then you fit the first kind of player very well. But then you steadily declined into the second, and thats when we stopped talking.
FWIW, I'm ready to hear your side of the story, if there's anything you neglected to mention before that would shed some light on this issue, by all means, share it with us.

Lighten up, Eggy. She had the accounts strictly for the 4096 m2 of land for each of them. In the long run the initial investment would have saved her tons of money in maintenance fees. If the Lindens didn't reimburse her, then they just ripped her off for over a thousand bucks.

Eggy, isn't it fairly normal to strive, as you say for, "money, power, recognition", in real life? Surely one of the major attractions of SL has to be it's capitalist economy model, giving residents the ability to set up businesses and profit from them. You can't blame businesses operating within a system for pushing the boundries of that system as far as possibe - that's what the good businesses do and the bad ones (and therefore quickly non-existant ones) don't do. It's up to government (ie Linden) to regulate the system.

If residents buy multiple accounts in order to get land, then Linden could resolve this issue by restricting each person to one account. But they don't because they would make less money from memberships. It seems to me that Linden are, in RL terms, engaged in a policy of encouraging growth by, in effect, giving tax breaks to the rich and that seems perfectly reasonable to me.

Ah! Thank you. I didn't expect you to admit that you fabricated all of it. Interesting way to do though -- by playing connect the dots....



Yep I remember you being there, Eggy. And that being the case, why are you lying about it? Why not tell the truth? That I repeatedly said that I was against exploitation of the system, even where the software and rules allowed it, and therefore wouldn't discuss ways to exploit the system, only ways to ethicly make a living.

Why aren't you saying the truth which is that I said as I always have that rate mining is wrong. I recall I had the information I had gotten from Ian Linden on how rate mining negatively impacts the economy, and hurts everyone inworld. And how I took pains to explain it.

I've seen you comment about what you call 'event milkers'. People who hold events are 'event milkers'. Not teaching people, not providing entertainment, not providing a fun way for newbies to meet people and get connected, not helping Linden to help SL grow by bringing in new customers and increasing customer retention. Hold events and in Eggy's eyes, you're an 'event milker'. Whatever that is.

And now here you tripped yourself up a bit, Eggy. And show yourself for the lying slanderer you are. My financial advice event was long, long, long before the concept of dwell even existed. Oops.

Next time you're going to start spinning tales out of whole cloth, you might want to check what you wrote before you hit that Submit button.

I can't imagine why, when I was so careful to stress over and over how people could have an income WITHOUT exploiting the system in any way, why you would post this and turn it around into the opposite. I don't much care why you would either. People aren't blind, Eggy. Many know just how hostile and hateful you are.



lmfao. Very funny. Very eloquent. Great example of your ability to write fiction.

I remember quite clearly the night I ended our friendship. You had been demanding that I not spend time with my other friends, not build, not do anything except spend time with you. You were childish and demanding and began insulting me.

That night you began insisting that you had a form of autism because you took a test on the internet. I tried to tell you that only a qualified medical doctor doing an appropriate medical exam could make a diagnosis like that. You went from insistent to mean to insulting to abusive. It was one of the most bizarre encounters I've ever had with anyone. And yes, it frightened me.

A few days later I posted in the forum. I neither mentioned you nor in any way referred to you. You flamed me. Much as you're doing now. I didn't respond.

You found me inworld and I told you stay away from me. I found you frightening then. I find you frightening now.

I think you have problems, but that they by no means excuse your unwarranted attacks on people.

I think you have difficulty determining where your fantasies end and reality begins.

People aren't real to you. They're puppets. And too often punching bags.

I like your story du jour about why our friendship ended. It's as amusing as the chat log someone gave me where you were trashing me and saying you ended our friendship because I flamed you. I gave a link to the referenced thread to the person you made up that particular story for. They found it interesting that you told your story as being exactly opposite of what really happened.

Just like your tale you're telling today about my financial advice class, and the way you're saying everything was opposite from how it actually was.

Damn candie one thing is drama but this time you deserve an oscar.
I would think it would be more productive to detail your side of the story instead of attacking me.
I dont have the time or the patience to go into yet another forum flamewar where I am forced to explain into exruciating detail that which should be obvious to a logical mind. So I humbly request that you forget everything I said and let people read what has been written and draw their own conclusions.

I'm reminded of a certain Alanis Morrissette song. . .

I'm not getting involved in the drama flamewars here, but I do have to add something that I think has been buried deep in SL's "forbidden history" category.

Eggy, regarding Americana... you want to talk about exploiting the system? Why did Americana run itself to the ground when it did? Let's see... it occured just one week before 1.1 arrived--aka, it was taken down one week before -tax dodging- was no longer possible.

I don't like it when people point fingers. But, simply said, when your aim is to point out anothers' exploit, just remember an entire sim's exploit never surfaced in these forums and consequently there was no slander when the exploit was put down.

*tick-tock, tick-tock*

let's time this and see how long it takes the Lindens to lock this one.

Dae, IM me please

The very reason I was kicked out of Americana and griefed to hell and back was because I openly criticized their abuse of the system.
I never evaded taxes. I didnt have to. They always fit inside my stipend and even if they didnt LL was paying me to run the disco.
I made a lot of enemies for defending the simple thesis that if you were broke it was your fault and that you should try to keep your land holdings within what your stipend/bonus let you comfortably own.

I specifically remember having some great conversations about this very topic with Eggy. He and I were both vehemently against tax dodging. I was shocked and appalled that a) it was even possible b) people would even think to do it and c) people actually did it.

lol One!

However, it *is* America, so you should know that (B) would've happened sooner or later and would be quickly followed by finding a way to (A) to be immediately followed by (C).



*disclaimer: I know there are lots of you from places other than America, but I was using America as a punching bag. So sue me... oh, wait..that's an American pasttime too.

Ummm, excuse me, Dae. What exploit of mine did Eggy point out? Read back, please. He was unable to. Because there is none, and there was none.

Thank you,
Candie

I'm really not getting in the middle of this, but do you not call manipulating the second developer's award with two accounts not exploiting the system, when the developer award was based solely on dwell:

Developer Incentive Award winners - Month Two

We're very pleased to announce the names of those who will receive Developer Incentives for the period starting December 8, 2003 and ending January 13, 2004. These individuals are creators, designers, hosts, and bon-vivants who help make Second Life more than the sum of its parts. The following 25 names are listed in descending order based on measured dwell. (Dwell measured on group land is divided equally among all group members.)

Congratulations! Your checks are in the mail!

BigJohn Jade
Candie Apple
Neil Protagonist
Obscuro Valkyrie
Pepper Lament

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My multi accounts never socialized. I used Pepper Lament to build quietly sometimes, but because I was very open about her, I soon got as many IMs when logged in as her as I did as Candie, so I retired her.

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Thanks for chiming in, Lynn. I manipulated nothing. At that time, if you'll check back, you'll see that groups for 1.2 were not yet implemented, but about to be implemented.

I set up my land at the Boardwalk to prepare for that. My Pepper land and my Candie land were next to each other. I held bingo and the Second Life Lottery on my Pepper land for a few weeks there (do see the previous month, and the following month). I held my classes and I think some sales on my Candie land. I was also building on the Candie land, and that's where I got the most visitors.

I was shocked when I got the emails about the 2 Dev Incentive awards.

Thanks so much accusing me of having 'manipulated the Dev Incentive awards' without ever once asking me about it. Especially doing it so publicly.

And most especially without offering what the fuck you mean by it, but just throwing it on out there to bash me some more.

Very nice of you.

Candie