SL is Too Disorganized

SL is just numerous houses plopped on many sims. Each sim has only about one or two roads. there should be some more streets.
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Flying is too hard in SL, every time i fly i always crash into a building.

Solution - Build somekind of "sky pathway".
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Zoning
- Frankly i think SL should have some zoning laws.

Yah.

Zoning would be nice.

SL is not the sims or sim city. It is a place where folks pay for the right to own virtual space to do as they please and each parcel is an "island" in that the owner does not have to subject himself to the rulings of the other virtual space owners. This world was never meant to be congruent though some have built amazing cities with wonderfully laid out road systems. I would suggest that if you would like to be part of an organized sim scape you may want to either buy one or form a group with the purpose of creating one.

Excellent point, Isis. Zoning implies governance and we all know where that discussion will end up.

zoning can be done like the "PG" and "Mature Sims", for example one sim can be residential, etc...

hehe...no schnikes....man what is up with all these folks wanting mamma linden to regulate other folks world experience. Don't we get enough of that bs in rl?

Not only that but what would a person zone and where? Would you have SL tell someone with a succesful biz to uproot because their sim is now being zoned residential and all buildings must pass code before being accepted? Would you then have a person who created a homestead they enjoy be forced to move just because someone wants to plop a WallyTarKmart on the sim for your shopping pleasure? I say view your space as your space, do with it as you please within the ToS and CS and be friggin happy with it already. This world is very young so let it friggin evolve already.



Civil Disobedience by Henry David Thoreau

I know I keep quoting this line. But if any world is to be a test of mans ability to survive without the grubby hands of gov-co of any sort reaching into his trousers then SL is that world. I must have more faith in the common man than most but I like it that way.



The ability to curse with a penis on your head is a bit different than someone telling you whether or not you can build a post modern home next to a craftsman style shop.

it's not disorganized. we have find. if we could teleport directly to location coords listed in find, it'd be even more organized.

I certainly understand where you're coming from, Eugene. Zoning would certainly help certain sims "look" better from an aesthetic perspective, but at what expense? And, is that what SL is all about? In many ways, SL is modeled after the WWW, and freedom of creative expression is what has attracted so many to SL. Just ask the refugees from There about the bureaucratic nightmare they had to endure to get their designs approved and built.

As Isis said, there are examples of sims where owners have banded together to define building and architectural codes. And then there are the city sims, an experiment that LL has so far chosen not to expand for a number of reasons. In both cases, land owners voluntarily entered into these agreements. Zoning, on the other hand, is enforced by some outside entity and relies on a third party to decide what you can and cannot build on your land. Do you really want that?

i don't think zoning on a per sim basis would work. in a residential zoned sim you'd still have people complaining about someone's residential build. it's pretty much a matter of taste as long as people aren't flat out trying to annoy the neighbors.

Every time? Really? Every time? That's talent. I fly almost every minute I'm in SL, and I only manage to crash into buildings once in a blue moon. Tell me, what's your secret?

Sorry, couldn't resist. Seriously though, if you're having that much trouble maneuvering, perhaps you should turn your settings down. Movement in SL should be extremely controllable.

As for your zoning suggestion, that was a joke right? You don't honestly expect those of us who are spending good money for land to bow to someone else's will about what we should do with it, do you?

If it bothers you that much, I would suggest you get yourself your own sim, pave it over with a nice parking lot, and then you can have all the open space and maneuverability you want. Otherwise, live and let live, alright? If you don't like the way a certain area is engineered, don't go there. It's that simple.

if you fly higher you won't bump into much.

Why should everything be easy anyway? I mean really, is SL not as easy as you want it to be? I'm sure the folks at Sony would oblige if you told them that the level 21 monsters in EQ are just too hard...right . Each world comes with a set of problems. There are kinks to be ironed out but all in all SL is the best virtual environment you are gonna get.

Even in RL some things are not easy like ohh crossing a 6 lane highway. Sometimes you gotta wait for cars to "rez" before you cross. Just because this world is open ended doesn't make it easy...if you want easy join a chat room.

That would make it against the rules to change your mind. SL is all about freedom and change. Wouldn't you rather have the ability to create on a whim on your land instead of seeing how many variations of a tudor house you can build?

Crap! The Eugene is back. With ANOTHER post on a subject that has been hashed and rehashed in SL in the past. What don't you understand about 'USE THE DAMN SEARCH BUTTON' before you post about a subject? Read the old posts, and mayber your questions will be answered. Any assassins in SL? I think I need to take out a virtual hit contract.

SL will never be "organized". The world did not all appear at once, and there are thousands of us with our own "vision" of what SL should be. Put simply, SL mirrors RL when it comes to urban sprawl, protected lands, commercial and "industrial" areas, and crap that is just plain ugly.

yay

That's been tried for a few sims (Green, Brown and I think the name is De Haro,) and it was a failure.

People want the freedom to build what they want on their land.

You left out Boardman.

I think it'd be cool if things were less cluttered, although I don't know how to do that.

But as far as organization goes, I think one problem is that SL can't currently accomodate a Yahoo. The web isn't organized either, but a third party created an organized way to view it, search it, and navigate it. Unfortunately it doesn't seem practical right now to build a crawler in SL. If LL added the equivelant of meta tags to land that were accessible to scripts, published sim data and maps, and maybe created a special class of roaming objects, I think we'd see an SL Yahoo soon (coughAdamZaiuscough).

LOL youknow how mnay times i was flying and landed up in a shop or in a solid object LOL!

Why is it that Devlin never gets flamed for saying exactly what I do, but only more extreme?

Because he has asbestos diapers. It's why he's still a cherub.

But on the initial topic, zoning beyong M/PG would be difficult to establish by the Lindens (not even going to discuss by player governments). Say residential land bans malls, okay, does that mean an av can't sell anything, say one custom made piece of furniture, or an art piece? And how would you define a club, other than the fact that some tend to be fugly, often a bigger concern is lag from them, so no house parties then? And then the whole issue of what to do with pre-existing sims. Way too much hassle for the Lindens unless the rules are VERY clear cut, in which case many probably wouldn't like those rules.

it's all about the forum avatar Lance.

my new one lets me get away with murder.

I get flamed...sometimes...sniff.

The real solution is when servers become freeware and people can host their own stuff. A sim will be the equivalent of owning your own web domain, and people will keep their own stuff organized.

Until then, we have to settle for voluntary governments of friends that we set up on our own.