I've had it too...

I agree with Mezzanine Peregrine.. great technology.. I'll come back in a year and see where it's at. But I don't see the lack with the technology.. it's with the content.. and unless something changes, it will degrade, not improve. Cuber Terra hit the nail on the head when he/she said...

"Jack has made some excellent points... I've noticed the same thing. All this amazing technology and thousands of hours of work by Linden Lab, and what is it used for? Fart noises, party games, and LOLing. "

As for the "and you are?".. remark... In RL I'm currently a software developer specializing in AI and Natural Language Processing. (powerofq.com) Prior to the internet going commercial, I ran the continents first graphics based BB (Robo Board) which was also the first graphic ecommerce site (albeit dialing into our BB). As an internet pioneer in here in Vancouver, and the founder of Blue Crow internet, I installed the first bank of 56K dial-up modems in Canada (one of the first in N. America), I built the first commercial Windows server in Canada (please, no M$ flames), I took our company public as Information Highway which went to $12 a share before the dot com meltdown. I owned superman.com (till Marvel insisted on having it back), ombudsman.com and another 50 domains that have been sold. Al Gore didn't invent the internet, I did.

And you are?

Someone who knows better than to brag about being a convicted cybersquatter? I was in the dotcom bubble myself. I made a lot of money and I spent a lot of money, and now I dont have a penny to my name
Heck, everyone and their mother's cat's missing testicle was in the dotcom bubble.
If you want to gain our love and respect, being full of yourself is not a good way to do it

What I don't get is, if Linden can't do it (to his satisfaction) - why isn't this (Power) guy trying to?

Could be...uh...that it's pretty damn difficult.

Thanks for the 'constructive' criticism, I'll be sure to give you a call when I need someones sense of optimism crushed. Not nearly enough people declaring the glass is half-empty, I always say.

Of all the great and insightful posts in this thread, I think Chip's post most reflects my own feelings about SL. I am a person that thrives on going to events and *doing* things. I'm getting to be an ok builder, but I will never compare to the artists in the game. I develop a clothing line that is successful, but it is made strictly from my own tastes and I still feel that it pales in comparison to some of the fabulous designers out there. Scripting, well pfft! I'm good enough to make a "click for a notecard" script do what I want, and I actually learned how to make my door script open my door in the right direction. That's about it.

The second day I was in SL, I complained and complained to my friend Cristiano that there was NOTHING for me to do. He laughed at me (as he does often ), and told me about the event notecards. Since then, we now have the event tab, and I look at it daily. And I watch, now that it is much easier for people to get their events information into the hands of others, more and more different kinds of events are popping up.

A new wave of people are finding out about SL. A wave like myself that likes to create, but also loves to *do* things and *play* things with others. With this influx of a "new" breed of players, I know that more event type ideas are going to start popping up. As they do, the game will appeal to those that like to "do" but not "create". And if they don't want to create it themselves, chances are there will be others that would pounce on the idea.

SL is going to grow and evolve slowly, just like FL. The players are going to come up with more and more ideas to make the world fun and interesting. LL is going to come up with more things also. In time, SL is going to blow the socks off *anyone* that passes through. It will just take us a little time to get there.


PS: Oh, and I know some places (including part of my own) that some would consider part of the Red Light District. But honestly, I think these places are scattered around SL and that there is no one large area that is just for things that some would consider worthy of the name RLD.

Eggy, I've met none more full of themselves in SL than you.

Nah I think he just comes across that way online. You do have to admit that you were tooting your own horn a bit there so I'm glad Eggy pointed that much out. I don't wanna turn this into a flame thread so let's just let it die here.

But yeah the "and you are" wasn't exactly constructive, you'd have been better off if you just stopped with saying something like that.

I was responding to Kissmi Kuroda's "and you are?" post. Quite rude. The flames are rampant, especially when I suggest that SL should have a commercial sim. I'm not looking to, as Eggy put it, "gain your love and respect". I'm looking for a tool like SL that has some REAL value and educational opportunites, not some kinda freak show where folks get their jollys from watching cartoons strip, then tell me I need to gain their love and respect.. yuk.

WTF are you doing on a MMOG if you're looking for an education tool? For christ's sake, are you on crack?
The only rude person in this thread is you and such anti-social whiners do nothing to enrich this community.
You're not here to tell LL how to run their business. Sure, it might be a good idea to license the technology to other people for educational or commercial purposes, but what would it add to the game? You like being surround by empty suits? I dont. If I did, I would be spending 8h/day working for a boring megacorp instead of playing SL.

For someone who claims to have such a distinguished pedigree in the internet world, you certainly have a thin skin when it comes to online forums. No one flamed you in the commercial sim thread, or personally attacked you in this one. A lot of people are passionate about SL so the reactions you got were entirely predictable and not personal. Why not address some of the very valid and well thought out replies you got instead of just whining about one or two posts? Why not elaborate what kind of educational opportunities you were hoping to find instead of just vague lamenting? When you put forth an opinion that deviates substantially from the norm it's only natural for people to wonder who you are. For the record, this isn't a flame either. But that last sentence of your post was a blanket flame of the entire community. That's your attitude and you're confused why people aren't more receptive to your point of view? Are you sure this isn't your first week on the internet?

Eggy, in all fairness, of course he's not one to tell LL how to run their business. That, though, does not justify running to SL's unconditional defense. Perhaps Power has some good points if we're to listen to them with an open mind

Like I said Darwin. I think it would be a great idea for LL to license their technology in such a way that a corporation could use SL to hold business meetings or a school could use as an educational tool to teach 3d graphics or intro to programming or something.
Mixing these uses with the game is the problem, I wouldnt want to walk into a 3d graphics class and any executive meeting would probably be far better off without unrelated people flying around.
Besides I cant see any reason why someone would automatically dislike the game just because the company behind it isnt using their technology for other purposes.
Has this hardened veteran paused to think about how incompatible and unstable this software is at the moment? It's not ready for a production environment. I have no problem when a sim crashes, but if Mr. Fancy MegaCorp CEO was holding an event using a powerpointish "slideshow" script which crashed the sim, would he be willing to put up with the sim crash in the middle of his business meeting? He would be wasting time and thus losing money.
Also, on the topic of "commercial" sims. I DO NOT WANT TO BUY NIKE SNEAKERS IN SL! Period.
Heck I dont buy anything from sweatshop-exploiting companies IRL either.
The point of having a second life is that it should be different from your first.
I want my clothes branded "Fey", not "Levi's", and I wear them with pride and joy.
This isn't There, people. Let's not make it into There.

When will people realiza the glass is NOT half-empty. Nor, is it half-full. It is COMPLETELY full. Half with water (or your beverage of choice), and half with air.

/clap

Actually the glass is always empty.

Air and other things are composed of atoms, which in turn have vast amounts of 'space' between the nucleus and the electrons spinning around them.

Therefore it is always mostly full of empty space, like all matter.

(My main point about the half-empty reference was to show disdain towards people interested in only being negative, but you had to turn this into a Nerdly McSnerdly debate )

hah.

I was going to make a similarly stupid comment to Maxx's but since he's already done that I wont. heh heh

Anyway, Chip that was a knockout post, I agree totally!

Some people are so negative; Feynman vacuum diagrams suggest that even empty spaces are quite full. I now declare this thread officially hijacked

The glass is neither half empty nor half full. It just needs more water.

Meditate upon that wisdom...


ooooohhhhhmmmm......

LF

I'd just have to say that the glass is both half-full and half-empty. In fact, if you take in account quantum uncertainty, a glass with water in a box exists in all states of fullness and emptyness, including the states where the glass isn't there at all.

Until someone gets thirsty and opens the box, that is.

(Damn schroedinger's cats!! (sp?))

Yep, Schroedinger.

I'd name my next cat Schroedinger, except I'd never be able to say that.

Eggy:

Me thinks thou doth protest too much. Especially about THERE.

Eggy makes an excellent point. 'There' is a passive consumeristic experience - think Disneyworld - that has occasional events and chat. The real focus however is to get you to exchange REAL currency into THEREBUCKS. (No, I'm not talking about the subscription price either.)

This is why 'There' exists. People own nothing outright that they create, everything that gets added has to be vetted by the 'There' staff (I mean EVERYTHING you intend to 'sell').

They certainly have the right to do all this, but as a informed netizen, I have the right to acknowledge that 'There' is hardly more than a glorified chat-money-laundering-machine.

The difference between SL and 'There' are many, but the best one to put forward is ownership of content, and the ability (although I haven't thought about exactly how to do this yet) to even profit off of your creations. This is a very potent concept, and I thank the Lindens for providing this opportunity.

Call it bashing if you must, I call it my succinct opinion.

Bashing There is SL's national sport. Given how viscerally most people here hate There, doing anything other than bashing it would probably be considered a troll

You could do as I did, and name him Erwin.