What would you like to see done in SL?

And how much would you pay for it?
I was thinking, if you are so sick of the "dwelloper" incentives, what's preventing you from creating your OWN reward program?
Put your money where your mouth is. Tell us what you would love to see done in SL, and how much would you pay for it. Get a group together and start collecting linden's for the bounty.
Promote innovation yourselves, instead of waiting for LL to do it

G'damn, that gave me a bloody good derivitive idea.

Start a contest run by players. Run it just like the game developer one. Have people make submissions for ideas, have a small panel (completely made up of whomever few wanted to join) vote on their favorite eight ideas, then the selected ideas had a month (or whatever) to develop their idea. At the end of the time, people voted (either WITH L$ or just a single vote per person) on which idea they both liked and they felt was implimented the best.

In the end, someone or somefew would get a prize and their name in lights.

Are you sure you don't mean 'promote innovation yourselves before LL kill it off completely?'

LL aren't interested in innovation and nor are the majority of residents. They are interested in a big buck economy for mediocre content from people who care little about SL, and of course anything that draws a crowd - the easiest of which to slap down on your land being a club.

I've had quite a few ideas in this vein for exhibitions, awards etc that I wanted to implement and host on Krittannia. But that was back when I actually cared and wanted to develop content here.

(Actually, all I care about atm, having just been billed on a week I haven't bothered with SL at all, in a month where I've logged in for a total of a few hours, is the answer to the question "do I pay another month for an island I don't use because of all the bugs in a game I don't log into because of the bugs and attitudes or do I leave altogether and use my now pent up creativity elsewhere?"

Although I DO think we should get together and create some weekly forum awards! I offer a couple of categories... "best thread of people kicking the shit out of each other without anything constructive being said", "best 'stop whining and do something about it' thread from Eggy" and of course "most flippant one line throwaway (especially for Mole)".

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Kris,
bored and back to trolling. But that doesn't mean I don't mean it.

I'm all for it!

Why don't you just f***ing leave SL, then?

1. Your post violates posting guidelines because your post is a clear hijack. Eggy asked for positive ideas, not for discussion about LL's policies and efforts.
2. LL isn't interested in innovation? Care to tell me any other MMO anywhere remotely as successful as SecondLife that has a full 3-D creation interface built in? Why don't you actually back up your talk and justify smack talk, huh?
3. Mediocre content is a result of users. There's also some pretty kickass content. But the point is that it's USER made not developer made.
4. Yes clubs suck but there are plenty of other places to visit.
5. I've beared your cynical, un-constructive posts before, but this one just pisses me off. Eggy meant NOTHING but positive ideas. He wanted to create a post that would help innovation and you had to much up the post with that crap. Not only is that self-defeating, since you're complaining about lack of innovation, but just plain rude.

Stop trolling Kris, you're getting to be a real jerk.

That's rich coming from you. Have you stopped to read your posts lately? lol

Perhaps you could do something more constructive than follow me around and comment on my every post?

I told you before. PUT ME ON IGNORE. PLEASE!

LOL That's funny. You accuse me of following you around?

I think it's more likely that we simply both post on popular issues.

You actually have not told me before to put you on ignore. Perhaps you're thinking another person, I dunno. This is the first time I've directly confronted you about your attitude. If you don't think this is true, please feel free to quote another time I've done this; perhaps I'm wrong.

And I can NOT believe that you, after posting that crap on this thread, accuse me of not being constructive.

Look, Eggy's a cool guy. He makes a lot of great suggestions, and keeps it very positive in his threads. I thought this thread in particular had a lot of potential, but you mucked it up with your attitude. If you somehow don't feel this way, please re-read your post; maybe you don't realize how negative it reads.

Your negativity on this thread was completely uncalled for. Period.

Edit: I may also add that you completely side-stepped my response to the actual content of your post.

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Yup. He's a good friend of mine. We enjoy poking fun at and trolling each other too.



That's because I don't feel compelled to explain or justify myself to you just because you want to kick and scream about my posts. Sorry.

Okay, so essentially you're saying that you can talk crap in a forum, and you refuse to respond when people challenge this?

Thank you Hiro. Please stop feeding the troll
Kris is a nice chick. Well... sometimes!
You should stop by Krittania one of these days and get to know her better.
Somehow the forums seem to bring out the worse in us... I've known Kris for about a year or so. I met her when she was a noobie. She came to my scripting classes... wanted to do fireworks. I think I gave her some land, even. We kept in touch even while I was away from SL for a few months... so please just put her on ignore or something =)

Eggy, what good does ignore do when the crap is still on the thread for everyone else to see? It'd be like making trash invisible to just me; it doesn't mean the trash isn't there, and everyone else would still see it.

I know this is old....but what prevents one from creating or building for fun and the fun of others... is that not a reward?
If someone makes clothes or houses and sells them...its a reward if they are liked and bought.
I find it very rewarding to see people visit my builds and enjoy them. It is nice to see people looking around Wolf Hill or Svan and say 'wow I feel like in the Alps'...or come to Serenity and enjoy something as simple as sand and dust.
Reward does not neccessarily need to be measured in L$ ... it can just as well be measured in the enjoyment and that little sparkle in the eye of someone having fun or having a nice memory.

Yes. Same as most other participants here. But in this case, it's not merely when 'people' challenge me. Just you, really. I find that it's pointless to attempt to have any kind of constructive conversation with the kind of people that simply scream 'Why don't you just f***ing leave SL, then?' when someone voices their concerns - even if they are put across in a sarcastic or negative way.

I have extremely negative feelings towards what SL over the last few months, and grave misgivings about where it is headed. Sorry if that doesn't coincide with your views. But that doesn't make mine any less valid and I'm not going to stop saying it cuz you don't like it.

Yes, I'm thinking about leaving. I don't want to - I loved SL at one time. And thats what is so frustrating. But yes, I believe that that will ultimately be the course of action I will take to remedy my dissatisfaction, despite my having a life membership and blown several thousand on a private island for a project that will never come to fruition because of the way LL have changed the product to meet the lowest common denominator since I bought it, with no comeback or recourse for what I consider now to be a waste of my hard earned cash.

I came here to build, script and ultimately to create content for people to enjoy (including buying a whole sim to create content dedicated to public use) and in the current climate, I don't think there is any compelling reason to do that any more, even if it wasnt for all the bugs and stuff that make it pointless trying anyway.

Maybe I should just flatten it and build a huge club.

Fuck it. And I said I wasn't going to waste my breath explaining myself to you. Not that I expect you to understand my point of view. But I don't intend to address you further either, so ta ta!

Who asked your bloody opinion? And really, when have I EVER been nice? If you're going to start spreading vicious rumours about me, at least make them believable.

Kris I respect you as one of the best builders I know in SL and would hate seeing you leave. I was at the point you were and did leave....and came back.
Sometimes picking the parts we like out of a system and avoiding the parts we do not like is the only way to use the system for what we like to do.

I for one hope you'll stay and be as innovative as ever. You are welcome to drop by in Serenity anytime and take a break or talk.

Hiro this isn't against you...I like both of you and I am not going to get in the middle of this. I know you both are passionate and both have your positions, which is fine. Again...sometimes avoiding a confrontation is the way to tolerate ... or at least the way to not fight

kris, you are a talented hack stealing my schtik like that. i quit! i'm only coming back when krittiana has been converted to a nudie bingo hall.

It is also the middle of the night. I'm sure we'll get some more responses during day hours. There's all of 10 people reading the boards now. And you can't say you were having a constructive conversation in the first place, so don't try and hide behind that.

Then say that. That's an excellent way to express your opinions and feelings. Saying that Linden Lab doesn't care, and then saying they don't innovate, is just plain being a muck raker.


See? This kind of discussion is productive, honest, and valuable. No need for posts that are merely a string of insults at the very developer whose minds you hope to change.

Business investments in the Internet are risky. I would love to invest in a sim, but I'm very wary as I would need a solid business model, or else simply expendable income that I wouldn't care about. Not to be disrespectful about your business sense, but I have said the same thing to land barrons - investing in large tracks of SL land is very very very volatile and risky in nature. Buyer beware. =\


No, you've explained yourself well. I appreciate your candor. I am glad you have; it gives you a better side than simply a forum troll.

As for the club, maybe you should consider using part of the sim as a club? Every business, whether it's non-profit or for-profit, needs to compromise in some ways to make money. Some are worth it, some are not. A sim is a big investment; if you can't afford it normally, then perhaps you need to consider other ways to subsidize it without compromising the majority of the sim. /shrug. I've suggested LL should accept applications for subsidies for developers - partly paying land fees.

Anyway, now that this thread has been hijacked, I'll zip it.

Eggy, I suggest reposting and trying again.

i suggest eggy put his money where his mouth is and start his own award. the first annual eggy lippman award for outstanding achievement in field of excellence.

Az, I realize. Tolerance for opposite ideas is fine, but that includes counter ideas. If you post on the forum, you should expect responses to your post.

Anyway, if I ever got as grumpy as Kris has, I'd expect someone to challenge me. Negativity and cynicism doesn't fix bugs. Honestly voicing concerns without hostility does.

I'm happy that we all can wind up being open and talking like adults about this, and I mean no sarcasm in this.

Jau, you may be joking, but I actually have done that

Kris,

When one of the most talented builders of second life expresses opinions like that, then there is clearly something wrong that needs to be addressed. You are not the only creative person I have seen recently to express similar views.

Personally, I think things will get better. Change in second life happens at a much faster rate than it does in first life, but even so sometimes things seem to be moving very slowly. But changes do happen eventually, both for the worse and for the better. Don't forget, this is a society in its infancy, and there will be a lot of turmoil before it finally stabilises.

I think we all feel a certain degree of justifiable frustration from time to time, but those who have invested a great deal in this world obviously feel it particularly strongly. All I can suggest is that you hang in there, keep expressing your views, and wait for the better times. At very least, we can expect technical improvements in the future that will make the world more stable, and will enable you to realise your inner vision even better than you do now. That alone, is surely worth waiting for.

Thankee for your compliments (same to Az, too!). Unfortunately, I actually don't believe that SL will get better. I think we're too far gone in this money orientated 'self, self, self' frame of mind to ever pull it back to something resembling what actually interested me about SL in the first place.

I think a lot of what is being implemented and proposed will kill it still further, and I don't feel like any amount of saying so, whether rational and calm or frustrated and shouting, is getting me or anyone else with a similar opinion anywhere.

It's the same with bugs. We have the same bugs now we had in 1.1 in some cases, and new ones being introduced all the time. But instead of working on the most irritating and potentially destructive of those, we get pithy new features only a handful of people want, or they spend their time coming up with new ways to lock things down further and further remove the freedoms we once enjoyed.

It feels to me like they have a roadmap of where SL is going tucked away that they aren't sharing, and that we the residents aren't fundamental to the plan - sure, if they can keep some people happy and retained while they get there, fine. But if not, oh well, there is a world full of punters out there that won't know it was ever any different.

As such, I don't think hanging in there is going to help. Which I guess is the source of my frustration, because in my own mind, I KNOW what the solution is, and I just have to make that decision once and for all.

I just feel sad because SL was truly a 'home' I found. Something totally unlike anything I'd ever experienced before, and I put a lot of heart and soul into it. And now, I don't think I even like what it has become, let alone love it as I used to.

Its beginning to mirror real life. And I joined to get away from real life and everything I hate about it. Not to log into a simulated version of the same old shit.


p.s. Sorry Eggy. Even I don't usually take your threads quite this offtopic

Easy - decouple ratings from stipends.

I'm not even asking for stipends to change all that much, but they would obviously have to be set as a flat-rate if this was done.

Next, decouple dwell from developer incentives.

Yes, there are better ways to judge participation other than the metric of dwell, but it would require Linden Lab to come up with the non-lazy way of tabulating the results. You know, like RL, where people have competitions and they're evaluated? Same thing.

Here's something I want in SL, and I would do it myself if I could but I can't so'm just gonna say "do it do it" like in starsky and hutch and pout.

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