Guns, for em or against em?

These quotes let you know where I stand on the issue:

Women must not depend upon the protection of man, but must be taught to protect herself.
- Susan B. Anthony, July 1871

"[Those] who are trying to read the Second Amendment out of the Constitution by claiming it's not an individual right [are] courting disaster by encouraging others to use the same means to eliminate portions of the Constitution they don't like."
- Alan Dershowitz, Harvard Law School

I am against all guns. Stun guns, dart guns, even hot glue guns.

Guns are bad and everyone knows it. The only reason you would want a gun is if you plan to murder someone in cold blood.

I don't support murder and neither should you. I can't believe you would come here and make a pro-murder post on the forums.

The anti-murder population will stop you and those like you.

Just say no to murder.

I would quote old cliche sayings like "if you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns", but that wouldnt get the point across.

I own many, many guns. some are antiques, some are functional replicas, some are just for home defense. I have never murdered anyone, nor do I plan to. But i live in the middle of nowhere, and if someone were to come threaten me or my family, you can be damn sure that no cop would get there in time to protect us.

Saying that owning weapons is being pro-murder is just ignorant

I own a Ruger 22/45 and a Kimber Custom Royal 1911 45. I shoot both on a regular basis. Oh, that would be a resounding YES!

As for its original intent, which was to keep tyrannical governments in check, I think the Second Amendment is a valid and necessary component of the constitution. However, I don't think we need to enable punks -- who are perhaps better armed than our military -- to terrorize the streets with semi-automatic rifles or God knows what kind of weaponry. There is probably a happy medium out there, but I doubt either end of the spectrum will agree to any sort of a compromise.

ok, I will post one more cliche (but true) statement. An armed society is a polite society.

The original pro-gun argument lost much of what remained of its credibility when the federal government got nuclear weapons but the rest of us did not.

I love that phrase.

I'll stick with my katana.

(they in this post, refers to the Fed Gov, or as I sometimes like to call it, GOTUS)
They're not going to nuke us. There would be no one left to enslave.
The point is merely to make it more difficult for them, should they try to impose martial law, enough to make them think twice about it.

But the self-defense argument trumps that anyway.

Even if they are antiques or replicas, if you shoot someone in the back and kill them for no reason it is murder. I don't support murder and neither should you.

I found an interesting statistic from the Center for American Security Planning. Did you know that nearly 99% of all people who die from bullets were shot with a gun? That is a staggering number!

I know that shooting guns and committing murder must seem like good ideas at the time (I guess, I mean why else would people do it so often) but murder ruins lives. Sometimes it ruins lives of people you never see or meet.

Murders committed with guns also create orphans. I don't think we should needlessly be depriving children of their parents by shooting them with guns. (the parents that is) I am a staunch anti-orhpan person. By being anti-murder I am also being anti-orphan.

The pro-murder and pro-orphan people will claim that it is their right to do these things. They will tell you that it is a sport and that they don't always hit people. Some will tell you that they only graze people waiting at bus stops. At the end of they day they are murdering babies by shooting them in the faces with guns. Murdering babies is wrong. Even if they live, shooting babies in the face is also wrong.

Stand up for what is right in the world. Anti-Murder, Anti-Orphan, Anti-Bulletholes-In-Babies-Faces.

I'm with Kendra - no guns in my house. I'm ready to make sushi though! Plus I have a wide variety of household cleansers and I know how to use them if the jackboots come calling.

I seriously hope you are just trolling and this isn't your real argument against owning weapons. I would post a refute, but it isn't worth my time. I will say this however, arguing from an emotional, and irrational angle only works for the mass-media. Fortunatly for you, the media takes your ignorant position.

I've very anti-gun, but I'm also very pro-freedom. On the gun issue they cancel each other out. I believe in the right to own guns, but I would like to see better accountability and harsher penalties for careless owners who allow their guns to be stolen or used to ill effect by a child.

I'm anti-gun. I vote raising the cost of bullets. Like $5000 a bullet. Chris Rock had it right ...

Edited because I double posted somehow.

Very clear, very true. Drugs are banned-but it doesn't keep people from getting them. Banning guns will not prevent criminals from having them. They are criminals precisely because they don't care about the law. Why can't people grasp this very simple fact?

LAWS DO NOT PREVENT CRIMINALS FROM COMMITTING CRIMES!

Laws are only effective against the law abiding citizen. The law abiding citizen isn't going to use their legal fire arms to commit crimes.The Columbine killers broke 19 federal gun laws-you see how effective *they* were. Outlawing guns simply means that citizens will not be on equal footing with criminals.

In their rabid quest to see the end of the Second Ammendment, the Liberal media would have you believe that guns are only used to commit crimes. The fact is violent crimes have been on a steady DECREASE since 1991.

In 2001 42,196 people died in motor vehicle accidents. Motor vehicle accidents are the number ONE cause of death for people age 4-33. Is it time to ban automobiles? People are killed with butcher knives-should those be banned as well?

http://nhtsa.gov/people/Crash/LCOD/index.htm
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=1350
http://www.nraila.org/issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=83
http://www.cato.org/dailys/05-13-00.html

-Kiamat Dusk
...couldn't hit the broad side of a barn...

Chip and I finally agree! *marks the day on his calendar

-Kiamat Dusk
...reponsible Seburo owner

Before we go further, could you please explain what you mean by "restore" the Second Amendment?

There are a lot of different infringements on it, but the basic intent is still intact. Citizens do have the right to own guns. Should convicted murderers and rapists be allowed to carry concealed weapons? Should we be allowed to walk through malls with Uzis slung over our shoulders like purses? Should I be able to buy an anti-tank missile down at K-mart?

LOL, Kiamat, for a sec I did think this topic was about Second Life guns. Sheesh. *embarassed look*

HAHA I was just going to say the same thing

Torley & Chip,

I'm in the same boat. I thought it was about SL guns, too. Of course there *is* something to be said there...but I'm not gonna touch it.


-Kiamat Dusk
Frequent visitor to the Seburo gun range

I have guns and I know how to use them and I've gone to a range to practice.

I do however believe strongly in personal responsibility. In other words, keeping them locked up from children, actually knowing how to use them (I think anyone who owns a gun should go through a course on how to use, clean and secure their arms.)