Concerning the new mature sims

Cadroe, please don't take my previous post as an attack on you. I probably should've worded it better, but I was making an observation only, no judgement (thats better left to those whose profession it is to judge!).

I agree w/you whole heartedly. I love the freedom M sims offer, but feel that we should still have PG sims for those who dont want to live in an M rated sim for one reason or another.

I just don't understand how the Mature sims get this "red light" and "vulgar" connotations!

I have been a member of SL for a few months now and have *never* been approached sexually or with any sexual tone in a mature sim. Just because it's labeled "mature", doesn't mean everyone's "going at it" or even *interested* in it.

I've also never even seen a public display of porn... maybe a few nakie people.. but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

JM

I kind of tend to agree with the concept of adding more mature sims due to several reasons.

#1 I am a partner in a clothing store and there I and my fellow participants sell Lingerie and other apparrel that may not be fit for PG sims.

#2 I live there because I dont want to be held back by the connotation that if I slip a curse word in there every now and then that I will be banned from the game for life.

#3 Unfortunatly in neither PG or Mature sim is there any real privacy. However, nudity is more accepted in a Mature sim. oddly enough in a PG sim we dont have automatic changing booths that appear over our avatar when we are changing clothes.

So in Respect to the initial post here yes I believe we need to have a balence of mature to PG sims.

However, I also believe that their needs to be a way to have security of privacy.

For instance in the real world if I want to get naked and run around my house as such all I have to do is close my curtains and most assuradly no one will barge in and see me without me knowing.

However, In Sl if I built a 10 x 10 x 10 box and encased myself in it and got nude to just get nude.

Some curious person would stumble by and say "oh a box wonder whats in it".

Then using the camera would peer through walls like superman and get giggly and take a pic.

Now had I wanted to get nude and have people take a picture of me I would have stood out in the open in a Mature sim and gotten Naked.

But due to the curiosity of people and perverts alike the inquisitive nature of peering through a box(or house walls) to see whats inside astounds me.

So in closing I not only say we need more mature sims to debunk the curiosity of people peering through houses and closed windows or blinds but we also need better security on regions that we dont want others to explore.

If I wanted to make a totaly new set of furniture that no one has seen or even contemplated before maybe I would want to build it in a workshop that is secure just so no one can copy my Idea before I put it out on the market.

Their needs to be a balance of not only maturity but security and PG Sims

Maybe we need a new sim type called SecureMature IE SM for short. In this sim it would mean that people could not "See" through walls no matter what script or super vision glasses they had and no sitting on boxes and sliding though the walls either.

Just a thought or an Idea and I will leave it at that.

Shadow

Juro, no problem, I just didn't want my point to be misunderstood. I'm not disapproving of what other people are doing, or suggesting they're doing something I wouldn't.

It is surprising the different impressions people get of mature areas. When I was in Hawthorne earlier, I couldn't help noticing the large lesbian hentai billboard and the giant on a toilet. Neither of which bother me, but they stand out as quite different from PG sims to me, while other people seem not to notice the differences. It's intriguing to think that if there were more mature sims, they would be less crowded and their racier content would be more diffuse, and they would actually seem less different from PG sims.

I'd prefer if Shadow Weaver could have his store anywhere, and just label the lingerie section as lingerie, and if people go in there that's their problem. I like his idea of restricting cameras. For instance, if you could mark your property as Private, which meant other people couldn't use disembodied cameras there. Or heck, maybe people could even set their property to Mature or PG.

Yes to what Prio said!

Many mature sims are only partially mature because they border PG sims and the territory that can be observed from the PG area is held to PG standards. Boo to that! Group the new Mature Sims to form a border zone so that at least *some* mature sims can be fully mature, instead of "PG-safe" mature.

It would be very nice to be able to put up a temporary "Busy" wall around my property. So that I can prevent visitors and cameras during those moments when I am "indisposed."

All it would take is a border just like the red border for being banned. Make it a different color - white? - and make it a barrier to cameras too. I'll take care of the curtains.

In fact, now that I think about it, perhaps there SHOULD be another type of security/access that allows you to restrict cameras too. Then I can make an art gallery and charge people to see the art - for example.

Hmm 3 sim types?

PG - "Public" places. Same as PG is now.
Private, or a better name - Allow residents to have finer control over what goes on on their property, and what they deem acceptable. This would be equivalent to having your privacy in your own home. Note that 40 foot tall phallus buildings would not be appropriate here. Perhaps "privately Mature" is a good description.
Mature - Same as Mature is now, mostly anything permissable. Note that 40 foot tall phallus buildigns would be appropriate here.

Basically the difference between Private and Mature is Mature allows you do do things that others would see if they want to or not, whereas Private only allows for such things if they would not unduly impact others.

This would require the aforementioned camera lockouts, etc, from the rest of the thread to be really effective.

Or maybe we just need PG-13/16 where we can all curse like a sailor but not run around nekkid ;)

I don't understand why "privacy" is needed in an online game, but whatever...if people want a single player version of SL that's their choice. I have no desire for SL "privacy", although freedom from being bugged by a player that's trying to be annoying is desireable, when I'm working. I guess if people want to box themselves in from the rest of the community, stop them from visiting (dwelling) on their land, and prevent socialization, it's their loss.

Personally I'm not playing SL to have private conversations and create stuff for myself, I'm here to meet people and create stuff to show or give. Even if I'm working, if you're not a complete idiot, I never mind stopping to chat with a visitor. So I don't understand...

With the exception of a surprise project that you want to reveal to the public all at once, what's the need for secrecy? I'd much rather have other things like llWriteToNotecard or custom animations take precedence over ensuring our "online gaming privacy".

I don't see how privacy == single player. Nor do I see how wishing some privacy destroys socialisation or even prevents dwell. I think anything that allows a person to determine their own level of involvement on a moment to moment basis makes thier experience better and has very minimal impact on the rest of the world.

I could see many times that people may wish to hang a virtual 'do not disturb' sign on their doors, and they're not even worthy of an 'M' rating.

A prevalent theme could be intimacy - even something as simple as a candelit dinner for two. An ambience that could be destroyed by casual visitors - or casual observance.

There are times while playing that I simply need time alone. It's not that I wish to leave SL - I want some 'me time' to work on things that bring me pleasure while getting some quality time to reflect in peace and quiet.

Siggy

Things like restricting land access do effect dwell since you're stopping some people from going to your land, but everyone's free to make that choice.

I'll partially renounce my first paragraph there. I didn't really mean that privacy absoultely == single player (although admittedly it comes across that way in the above post), but when I think about shutting myself off from everyone (or almost everyone) it really does turn it into a single or small scale game, if only on a temporary basis. I can admit that it's not the strongest argument since I can't really think of any situations that I'd like to do this personally, so I'll drop that. As far as I'm concerned people can do whatever they want as long as they aren't bothering others.

But still, again:

I'd much rather have other things like llWriteToNotecard or custom animations take precedence over ensuring our "online gaming privacy".

Besides the obvious self-motivation (forgive me here, usually we all favor features we'd have a use for over ones we wouldn't have a use for), I think the potential privacy in SL is already pretty good.

If you don't want to be bothered seeing other avs, you can now block your land or lock them out of a room you're in. If you don't want IMs or chat you can turn on "busy". What else is needed?

If you need time to work on stuff without interruption...and I can totally understand (I'm not sure I'd consider that "privacy", though), it seems like SL has had everything that's needed for quite some time.

I sometimes require privacy, when I'm working n a complex script or build. What I do is make the windows of my house opaque, and close the door.
Nine times out of ten, if I notice someone hovering outside, I'll open the house up and invite them in anyway... and all my neighbours know they are always welcome, but I will likely be working while chatting.

I guess you could call this 'casual privacy' lol. I have not used the land blocking feature, or the 'busy' feature at all.

Check out Stanford if you think all M sims are strongholds of perversion.

I enjoy living in M sims because, well, I enjoy the freedom that comes with it. Admittedly it is not for everyone, but I find it to be to my satisfaction.

On a side note, I am of the opinion that calling women's breasts offensive is an insult to women and a step backwards as far as equal rights go. My breasts are most assuredly *not* offesnsive.

But thats just me.

-AP

I think some of the confusion in pinning things down has to do with the confluence of a couple of different things.

1) Commercial vs. Residential
2) PG vs. Mature

Commercial is ok, nobody complains too much about it, but nobody wants a big commercial building popping up in their residential neighborhood either. I would have almost as much objection to a 40 foot mall being built in what I consider a beautiful and friendly home sim (Immaculate) as I would a 40 foot breast shaped adult toy store.

Commercial zones are needed, but nobody wants garish signs and high object count showrooms opening up next to their residence.

When the two combine, when commercial cooincides with mature, things get really tasteless. I find the commercialization of sex offensive, but I have to admit that when you want to buy an entertaining "M" rated toy, you NEED a place to shop.

But, I wouldn't want that shop next door to my house.

Personally, I think the problem could be solved by two different ratings. Commercial Sims would be for commercial activity, the land only to be rented so people could set up a small (or if they are rich enough, large...) shop. There would need to be both PG and M sims of this type.

Residential sims would be where people live. In sims like this, people tend to take pride in the beauty of their sim, and garish or tasteless displays are not very likely. A residential sim that was also "M" rated wouldn't have to worry about the things that most people complain about in "M" sims.

Of course, there's always the problem of public sex. I belonged to an adult online world (fairly primitive one...) once, and there were times when some people would have sex in public. Some people enjoy this, and in this game I occassionally would run across a small group doing so. Generally, their response would either be "excuse us", or "join us!".

I can tell you though, that this was VERY VERY rare, even though the creators of the game ENCOURAGED it. They deliberately put in objects that would allow players to engage in sexual animations, they were all over the place in the "adult" section of the game, and I ran into people using them only once or twice.

I really don't think anyone needs to worry about this, if you've decided to join an "M" residential zone, you should be able to handle the once or twice a year accident of running into this activity.

As far as privacy goes, I'm a newbie so I don't know much about the bugs or exploits in this game, but doesn't everyone have the ability to cover or even remove their windows so that they have some privacy? A locked door and covered windows aren't enough?

I'm not being sarcastic, I really don't know! I HAVE noticed that walls do NOT stop your voice, so that there is no SPEAKING privacy, (which IS a problem) but I had assumed that a decently constructed house would give you VISUAL privacy.

All in all, I would much prefer to live in a residential sim that was relaxed about sex and language. To me, flirting and off color humor are an art form, I love the fun of "riding the border" by making a woman blush, whilie staying just shy of offending her or being considered crass.

Ingot

Ingot,

Walls don't stop your voice, but using the "sayto" feature will grant you greater privacy.

Bhodi

Short of locking land, there is currently no way to 'guarantee' privacy in SL... you can build that 10x10x10 cube and anyone with half a care could easily work the camera so that it can peek in.

In fact if you have so much as ONE other object inside that cube they can not only PEEK in, they can sit right down on it and join you.

If you don't beleive me IM me in game and i'll show you how. I've got a semi 'private' romanesque outdoor bath in my area in lusk... its not PRIVATE as in like crazy things happening in there, i just wanted a relaxing way to talk to someone without having to worry about over-flights stopping in all the time (since lusk is so near stage4 and the welcome area, there is ALOT of over-flight traffic, which is cool, but sometimes you just want a little time away to think, talk, relax, etc).

This bath itself has scripted opening/closing walls with the ability to lock and unlock on verbal command (currently from myself only) and it serves as a general privacy screen just to keep over-flying people at bay... The problem is people can still see you 'in map' and more often than not get curious as to WHERE you are when they see the dots but only a closed wall.

I think 'settable' privacy where you can toggle just on a portion of land that YOU decree to be private where simply you're avatar wasn't shown on the map while inside would be MORE than sufficient for almost any case i can think of. aka what people don't know they won't stop and try to glitch their way inside.

Ingot - There is no visual privacy. A camera can be rotated through a primitive (such as a wall). It's very useful when building.

I think the Lindens are planning on adding several new sims and some of them mature.

Look at the maps on the teleport hubs - they clearly show new areas to the north. and they say coming soon!

Cubey suggested that maybe they are on the back burner with the new vehicle park opening up.

Yep, I saw that map a few weeks ago. It has new sims shown, like "Periwinkle" and several others.

I'm only *guessing* that they're on hold while they finish the vehicle sims.

Hehe. Those Sims have been 'coming soon' for months now.

Though I agree with Eggy's sentiment, I wish to address a differnt aspect of this issue.

This week I bought some land in a mature sim for an art gallery. I wanted the gallery in a mature sim so that I can show whatever I want. This is Art, after all.

In shopping for land, my first choice turned out to be unfeasable because the prim count in that region was too high. Couldn't build there. In another there was no available land. The same was true in most mature sims.

It seems to me that it should be fairly easy to determine whether more mature sims are required. Look at available land and prim counts. Compare mature to PG regions. If the result is what I found just this week, the data are pretty clear.

It's not a matter of personal opinion. It's a matter of statistics.

Arlin Psaltery
Gallery owner

It's probably coming soon. Anyone notice "NewOlive" yet?