Concerning the new mature sims

Please don't throw us just one mature sim and hope that satisfies us. I know it's -highly- debattable in this forums, but we need a handfull of new mature sims, preferrably grouped like they are over in the south-east.

I second that. I've always thought there should be more M rated sims. There seems to be WAY too many PG sims considering everyone playing SL *should* be over 18.

There should be several (like 4 or 5) more M sims... clustered together would be good.. but heck, i think we'll take them anyway they come!

Before anyone brings up this point: I do not think that the Lindens should abolish PG sims. They serve a purpose and should remain. But the ratio needs to be improved.


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MMMMMmmmm.. more please!

As a PG (by choice) resident I wholeheartedly agree on both counts. Theres certainly a demand for more Mature rated sims, and I'm waiting with interest to see them appear. Hopefully it will give everyone a little more elbow room.

As for me I'll leave my home in the PG area as it gives me both a choice as to my level of interaction, and serves as an escape from things if they prove to be uncomfortable.

Siggy.

Put them new mature areas north of Chartreuse. The northern continent is all PG, sucks!

All I can say is here, here!!!!

I just believe that there should be a more equal amount of PG and Mature sims. That would satisfy everyone, right?

But, how would we get this done? There needs to be an in-game meeting.

I don't want to build a house, and then have a 40-story hardcore porn complex open up next door to it.

Mature sims have a bit of a NIMBY affect with alot of people, I think. They tend to be messy, chaotic, and vulgar.

Do we REALLY need that much more land for adult theatres and strip clubs?

LF

Hmm Lord, been to Chartruese lately? I saw you the other night as a matter of fact. I think you would notice that its not filled with 10 story porn buildings and strip clubs. As a matter of fact i see some of the most creative builds in my opinion and some of the coolest people. Some of us prefer mature sims because we don't have to worry about certain restrictions, we aren't all out running naked and slapping porn everywhere. Grant it we might be a little crazy lol but it makes for good entertainment . I love hanging out in Char and love the people that call it home. Just don't group everyone that lives in mature sims to the same category. Club midnight is not a strip club, its just a cool place to hang out. We purposely didn't want to do the strip club thing as I feel there is already enough of that to go around and in my personal opinion its kind of funny lol. Not trying to offend those that take that seriously, but we just didn't want to go that route. Anyways I'll get off my soapbox now lol

I feel the same way as Lordfly here. Not to say that we don't need more M's or anything like that (apparently we do).

But yeah...just because you're over 18 doesn't mean you enjoy seeing *insert whatever* on the building next door.

Semi-related thought: I mostly stick to PGs except for the occassional visit to Ms but if I had land on the edge of a PG, and then a mature sim opened up next to me, I'd be worried.

Yes, of course we do The more the merrier

Really more than the porn shops and whatnot I think it is the ability to be truely free in your speech, as well as the artwork you have on your walls etc. I have a potty mouth so I tend to hang in the M sims. I would like to see more land open up, be it PG or M but I do agree that we need a higher ratio of M sims.

-Neil

Well again, just because you're over 18 doesn't mean you enjoy reading alot of foul language in SL. I don't mind occassional stuff here and there (hell I do in real life sometimes), but I'm playing SL for some peace and to get away from the real life stuff.

I don't mind really, but I am offended by porn. Just the other day I was window shopping and I found this offensive game title called "Big Mutha Truckers". It had this girl on the cover with these huge breasts revealing almost all the way on the cover. It also had some girls on the cover practically revealing the girls butt. I was shocked that that game was rated only teen. Not only was the cover offensive, but as you saw the title...I mean come on. How can they get away with that? They think that SSMB (Super Smash Brothers Melee) should be rated teen, but it's not at all offensive. They should fix the rating system. I'm not planing on having kids, but I think that they need to fix the rating system, be fore these kids get the idea that these games are alright for them.

I agree with Torrid on this. I think M sims have gotten a bad rap in most cases.. I've had a lot of great times, met some fun people, and had a lot of belly laughs in M Sims.

Having an Australian mouth, I also enjoy the freedom to run it off every now and again

I don't think to date I've been exposed to anything that I'd find offensive (maybe a lil embarrasing, but not offensive).

I wouldn't consider myself prudish by any stretch of the imagination either.. Nothing could make a finer festive season than steak, beer, and a rerun of 'behind the green door' -- putting the XXX back in Xmass as it were.

All that considered I still prefer to maintain home in PG - I think there is a need for it.. In RL I'm subjected daily to scenes of real violence, real gore, and real tragedy...
There are some days when I like to escape from that, when I'm not up to good hearted mature fun for one reason or another. SL is after all my escape from this - and having the option to choose my content and level of involvement is a good thing.

There is a need for more Mature elbow room though -- and I don't think having more will result in a porn explosion.. maybe we'll see more settlement in mature zoning -- a mature shopping area, residential area, adult entertainment area. Time will have to tell. For these reasons I'd like to see later sims that come have a Mature rating.. let the areas evolve from scratch and develop their own identity and history.

Ok I'm rambling now..


Siggy.

Does anyone serious think this is what would happen? Seriously? Does anyone really think that if new mature sims opened, the entire sims would be filled with virtual corruption? Oh come on! Let's keep our feet on the ground at least.

OK, I will agree that they can be messy, but that's because they're so crowded. However, isn't the fact that they're so crowded a good indication that there's a real need for more mature land?

And what's wrong with mature sims anyway? I mean, sure, I agree, I wouldn't want a 40 story porn complex opening up right next door to my house either, but that's no reason to say thay can't exist. Sure, we can' all pretend that such adult oriented entertainment doenst exist or go on and that SL is a suberb of Disneyland, but that's not the world we were given. This world has mature sims, I, and obviously others, would like more of them, so we can spread out in the luxury of space and elbow room the pg's have.

As far as it being vulgar? That's everyone's personal opinion of course, and so debate is pointless. It's just not everyone's cup of tea, but it is the tea of choice for a great many in SL.

On a completely personal note, that rather hurt me to read that. I had no idea the person who wrote that considered me vulgar as we've spoken pleasantly a number of times and I had nothing but wonderful things to say about him Indeed, we met when this person paid me to dance in a strip club, and at no time did he then appear offended by my vulgarity. ouch

Personally I think there should be no ratings. It's silly! I think the only reason Linden has sim ratings is to cover their ass with regards to some idiotic american laws that lets you sue everyone if somehow your 13 yr old happens to see a breast.
IMHO the law should instead state that from now on we would all go around in transparent clothing in an attempt to introduce some sanity back into 21st century victorians. The human body is a wonderful thing, and if you feel offended by something completely natural that everyone has, then I'm sorry but I think you need therapy.

I have to agree with Lordfly to some extent. When I first looked for land to buy, I noticed that the mature sims tended to be more garish in style and more commercial. I settled in a PG sim because of the available land and neighbors, not the rating, but honestly I've never felt restricted. I'm hardly a prude, but I do act in SL pretty much how I act in RL, which means I don't use profanity or talk about my perversions with relative strangers. If being in a PG sim has accidentally caused other people to treat me with the same courtesy, that's great.

In RL the distinction seems to be more on private versus public. I can say ***k every other word in my living room, but if I paint it it on the side of my house I'll get in trouble. A porn shop can have any manner of sexual devices and movies on its shelves, but the sign out front will just say "Adult Video and Supplies". For whatever reasons the Lindens have decided to do things differently. But if I can't keep my neighbor from putting up a sign outside my window with a penis on it, I'd rather live in a PG sim to mimic the privacy I have in RL.

On the other hand, if other people want more mature sims, more power to them. I don't see why the Lindens wouldn't want to put up sims that people want to live in.

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Unfortunately the NIMBY effect most often occurs from people resisting change for the sake of resisting or for anactodotal reasons such as "waste polutions is bad" or "mature sims are messy, chaotic and vulgar".

I've never noticed that mature simms are "messier" than PG sims, or chaotic nor more vulgar. I never noticed vulgarity in Shipley, or during my time in Federal, or Da Boom, or now in Hawthorne.

Someone saying that a large penis can be erected outside their window is basing such claims on anectdotal evidence, as you cannot even have pics of scantily dressed people viewable from outside your property unless you are logged in.

NIMBY like distinctions are overbroad for SL and best left to real world applications regarding the control or lack thereof of Technocracy.

Ultimately. SL is for people who love it, mature sims and PG. I personally find the PG sims rather offensive since one must treat them as if people who are under the age of 16 are residents and not 18+ year old responsible adults.

If Linden Labs is considering more mature sims, then I would say that they are doing so because of a legitimate, identifiable demand and that if mature sims were really disliked because of 'vulgarity' and their entropic propensities that the Lindens current proposal for mature sims would be a moot point.

Vulgar is a powerful word that is best identified with "offensive" in Lordfly's use of the word. If we are to handle such claims of "Vulgarity" as we would in RL, then the rule of measure according the U.S. Supreme Court, would be the "Contemporary Community Standards Test", which basically leaves such decisions as deciding on what is obscene/vulgar/offensive to a jury from the community in question because who best to label what is vulgar/offensive/obscene than those who must leave with it in their midst.

I think mature sims overwhelmingly win this test hands down. Which, similar to many NIMBY cases, leaves those yelling "not in my backyard" in the gross minority, railing against the change for... what reason again?

I just never thought of the mature sims in such a manner and am shocked to see that this is how some view them.

In my first 48hrs in the SL world, I didnt know there was a "sim distinction" let alone what a 'sim' was, but I did find the mature areas more active and the people as approachable in the PG sims. I found nothing that made me say "wow these areas are vulgar, messy and chaotic". I couldnt tell one section from the other actually until Siobahn pointed out to me that I was in a mature sim and that map marks them.

I guess there may be people hoping us dancers in Da Boom turn into pillars of salt... interesting

Briana Dawson

Briana, if you turned into a pillar of salt, I would be the first one to lick you

I wholeheartedly agree with Torrid, Briana and the others. I've seen *incredible* builds in mature areas.. they're clean, organized and any *porn* that I've seen is not readily visible unless you go looking for it.

Sex and porn are not the only reasons I choose to dwell in a mature sim. It's the freedom to change clothes wherever I am, I don't have to watch my language if I blurt out a four letter word and I can express myself however and whenever I want as long as it's within the TOS.

As a matter of fact, sometimes when I'm flying around, it's surprising to see down at the bottom of the screen that I've exited a mature sim and entered a PG.

I think there's need for both... and at this point, need for more mature sims. Most of them are full and at their limits.

Messy, chaotic and vulgar? I don't think so.

JM

I just logged and teleported to several mature sims to see if my impressions were confused or outdated, but I honestly have to say it's the same. Hawthorne and DaBoom have the highest concentration of floating, spinning biilboards I've ever seen, which seems garish to me. And I don't have a problem with that; to each his own. But my impression of the tendency in differences between Mature and PG sims is sincere and the same. Maybe if there were more mature sims this would be less the case, and like I said before, more mature sims is fine with me.

As far as PG sims go, personally I'd prefer to just have the same privacy I have in RL, rather than living in an entire region other people perceive as Disneyfied. But I don't think it's about treating people as younger than 18.

As someone who lives in a mature sim, one of the things I hear most often from most visitors is how hard it is to find land in Mature Sims. So I really agree that there should be at least as many Mature Sims as their are public sims.

As for what is offensive, that seems to be a matter of opinion. I live in Federal and I think all of the builds are very tastefully done, some beyond beautiful. There is really only one that I consider an eyesore, but I won't go into that.

I do not think that everyone that wants to live in a mature sim wants to put up porn. At least I hope they don't because that would be competition for half my buisiness! *grin*

Seriously, I do run a Gallery and Boutique. But I am very careful to seperate my "Mature" items from my "General Public" type items. In my Boutique, the most you would see would be perhaps PG13 items. Upstairs and soon in the very back of my property, I do have a gallery of "erotic, mature, porn" (whatever you want to call it) images and items.

My gallery caters not to just hetero sexual men, but also to all types of alternative lifestyles. Among the images, some are photographs, some are anime, and some are done by very skilled erotic artists. This is something I wanted to offer to those in SL that enjoy this type of artwork and items. I also wanted very much to cater to the alternative lifestyle as many places similar to mine do not.

Just because I live in a mature sim though, does not mean I feel it is right for me to push these items into everyone's face first thing. That is why I took the care to seperate my place into sections.

Don't judge all us "mature dwelling" sims based on the actions of a few. And don't assume that everyone dislikes the actions of those few either. SL imates RL to an extent, and Real or Fantasy, sexuality will always play some part for many.

Just my opinions.

'course, this is prolly obvious to everybody, but I wanna point out the the NIMBY effect would be significantly reduced if new "mature" sims were placed so that they bordered only existing mature sims. Then the only way you're ever gonna look out your window and see some new Eyesore Of Grief would be if you lived in one of the old mature areas yourself.
In fact, the ratio of "Mature Sim area visible from a PG sim" to "Mature Sim area NOT visible from a PG sim" would be lower, so the problem of people in a PG sim seeing something notty over in a M sim would occur a lot less often. (I frequent M sims, and to be frank, the M sim areas are so blasted tiny and thin that I feel like I'm a glass house. It would kinda be nice to roam around semi-nekkid or something without being in constant anxiety over whether I've unwittingly strayed too close to The Border.)

The only thing that bothers me about the current system is that in PG, there is no privacy as it were... you could be on YOUR land, in YOUR house and someone can come weaseling in, exploiting a couple of known bugs and interface hiccups to get in a peek at you and then REPORT you for any indescretions and yer sunk. basically PG=Disney even on privately built stuff.. an that does kinda bother me abit, and I know alot of other people as well.

I don't want to LIVE in a mature zone, i really don't think i need to be in the red light district as it were... but some kind of 'intermediate' designation might REALLY help... something like PG-13, or R... where there shouldn't be publically offensive stuff, but if someone comes around snooping and weasling places they shouldn't be (sit-bugging inside an enclosed room in yer house or view-buggin up against a totally enclosed wall)... YOU wouldn't be screwed

aka consider it like a 'public pg, private mature' you know like someone eventually down the road would be able to fly over/through it without risk but might be barred from entering certain builds which could have their own more 'mature' permissions..

look it wouldn be the easiest system to maintain, i know, but the current pg/m jus doesn really cut it


-PS i jus saw prios' post and i think this would work for that too.. 'buffer' M sims with pg-13's where people wouldn be 'SHOCKED' to see someone over on the horizon half-nekkid

OK.. since I consider myself a sexually liberated American, who is decidedly UN-prudish and open to just about anything, I must toss another $.02 into the ring here.....

LF says: "I don't want to build a house, and then have a 40-story hardcore porn complex open up next door to it."

I say to LF: Reason #1 why PG sims are AS important as M sims. I completely understand why some people would not want to make thier home in a M rated sim.

Cadroe says: "I'm hardly a prude, but I do act in SL pretty much how I act in RL, which means I don't use profanity or talk about my perversions with relative strangers."

I say: In my opinion (and that's all it is), I would say you *do* lean to the side of being a prude. You don't swear? You don't talk about your perversions? And what's with you calling your own sexuality perverse?

<from dictionary.com, the first of 4 definitions given)
prude n.
One who is excessively concerned with being or appearing to be proper, modest, or righteous.

So... I like M themed sims because the possibilities are basically endless. You can have a naked hot tub party, if you like. You can display works of art that are sexually inclined (if you choose). I just think that M sims offer more avenues for one to express themselves. As soon as more M sims come up.. I will be shopping for a new home and moving from a PG sim.

Make no mistake, I am not bashing PG sims, or those who choose to live in them. I think they are needed and can understand how some might be uncomfortable with content that can be found in M rated sims.

Anyway... I think America needs another sexual revolution!

Well I know I'm not a prude, but I'm not going to try to prove it to anyone here. I was being tongue in cheek when I said perversions. I curse quite a bit, and I'm not offended by it. Mature sims seem quite mild to me in comparison to things I've seen and done in person.

I was making the point (perhaps badly) that since there is no real public and private space in SL, PG sims do serve a purpose for some of us. Again, as far as I'm concerned, make as many mature sims as needed to accomodate the people who want to live there.