Triple neg rating! Whoo hoo!

...hmm, i am mildly annoyed by this comment.

The lindens give 'a whole lot of crap' about whether we have fun. Just look at all the anti-griefing tools that they have built into the system(to the point of being excessive, like the instant bump/report function).

If you aren't having fun, then you do something about it.

Applauds Wednesday and Nada.......

I wonder if length of time in SL has anything to do with a persons attitude towards others? Oh well....


-TK

I have not ONCE ever heard back from an abuse report that I filed. So that's hard for me to believe.

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I did, I filed an abuse report that went unanswered. So I ranted in the forums about a greifer. If they don't do anything, I'll keep ranting. If they take action I'll shut up.

it hasn't turned into one yet here, some threads have i think, so its better to catch it before its too late

would you agree though that there are other tools at your disposal to help you keep people who are dampening your fun? specifically land control features and certain scripts.

Look just so you know, taking care of griefers is one of the number one priorities of the linden support staff, and it isn't just because they are nice people(which they are) but because greifers affect their income as a company. The tools set that is at our disposal has come partially from this economical drive, partially from their decency as human beings, and partially at players request. I would suggest that even though you did not get an answer back about your abuse report, it was looked into. Everything that happens on a sim is logged and stored, so those logs were probably opened and perused. The result may not be immediate, nor may it be as direct as you would like it to be, but something will happen, for the betterment of the SL community as a whole.

On a more philosophical note, i am not sure what i would do if i were griefed... I do have a shirt that says "I grief the Griefers." heh.

As of Sun, 30 Nov 2003 02:53:51 -0800 (PST), I am now a member of the triple-neg club! Yep, this was from a newbee (11/29/03). Yep, this happened while offline. Yep, it included an offensive message with it (which I have reported).

Heck, I don't even -meet- the people who give me neg ratings, they only need hearsay to give triple negs.

After having been shot off stage 4 while teaching a class, having a newb come into my home sim and blow all the avatars out of a "safe" area, after being insulted and neg rated by people that I never exchanged a word with and being harrased via IM for a week by someone that I asked to no longer be associated with, I found myself with two primary options:

1) get aggravated because of the "injustice" of it.
2) ignore it.

I decided on option 2 because it was far, far easier. One could easily say that I am therefore unprincipled or unwilling to stand up for what I believe is right; I prefer to fall back on Edgar Friedenberg on this one "All weakness tends to corrupt, and impotence corrupts absolutely". Point of the matter is there is very little I can do about these injustices except rant.

So someone shoots me, I press F, stop moving, teleport home. Someone neg-rates me, fine. Someone neg-rates me with a reason, I ponder it and if I agree, change what ever the reason was (hasn't happened, actually). Someone tries to send me unwanted IMs or notecards, the close and discard buttons work just fine. Someone tries to slander me because of a perceived injustice, let 'em (has happened) I trust that my reputation will stand on its own and anyone who wants to listen to the slander's heresay and take it as true I probably don't want to be involved with anyway.

I don't claim to be a zen master; indeed, I arrived at this only after banging my head against the wall a few times (metaphorically speaking). I have found that my enjoyment of SL has increased dramatically as a result. Abuse reports are unsatisfying because even if you are dead right, you'll never know.

So, is there injustice in SL? Yeah, I think so. I've had people brag to me about their seven shell/mule accounts (who knows if true). Are people hoarding prims? probably. Did someone say something unkind to or about someone else? Sure. The question is which is more important to you: seeing "justice" done or having a good time? It took me to long to see the question framed in those terms; I do hope I can help one other see it too.

I had a wonderfully worded post agreeing with all that Malachi had stated but alas, it timed out before I was able to post it.

I will take this opportunity to say that I agree with Malie. Although the rating system is a wonderful idea it is poorly utilized. Malie has learned this in a short time as well as I-Second Life is just that, a second life, not a first life. For those who take it too seriously, it's time to take a step back and re-evaluate your time in this game.

Say what you'd like, do what you will, flame me if it makes you feel better but the reason for most is SL is a means to escape the everyday he said/she said of their first lives and I for one give a resounding shout of "No to drama"!

To date I have given no negative ratings and I hope that in my Second Life I will never have to but truth be told I don't think it would matter even if I did.

I've been long-winded enough. Thanks to anyone who reads past the first line.

I just say, don't take ratings personally, unless they -make- it personal.. in which case we still have to get over it.

Those I've rated negative, I have rated because they seek to ruin the experience for others. I've given 571 points of POSITIVE ratings, but for it to mean anything there must be contrast.

There's no blue without red, or black without white. Unless a person logged in for the first time and have been busily griefing ever since, their total ratings will be positive, so there's nothing to worry about.

If we can remove the stigma of negative ratings, which I think this thread may well be attempting and perhaps achieving to some point, it can be a productive and positive balancing force in Second Life.

lol I have -10 behavior
and -6 build, so I have 3 triple negs!

I've been thinking about the whole negative-rating thing, and while it does do the job with those that seek to be disruptive in-game (at least from what I've read/seen), it also makes what I'd like to call 'retalitory' ratings a bit more permanent than necessary.

I think what I'm trying to make a rambling point is - with good behavior, negative ratings should eventually evaporate. The rate at which this would happen would most likely be long, say 3-4 weeks, but at least people who do behave well would have the hope of not carrying around/explaining negative ratings from months ago.

Am I off base, or does anyone agree with what I'm pushing out here?

I just think the rating system is used wrongly as a whole; good and bad.

Quite often, a triple positive rating comes along with an offer to exchange calling cards right off the bat. Now I have no objection to this, but it's kind of expected that you'll reciprocate in kind. And then you get funny comments because you dont.

From my point of view, how can I honestly rate someone on Behaviour and Build if I just this second met them? My first week or so, I did it because I thought I should. But now, I use them as I believe they should be used.

If someone is nice or helpful to me in game, I will rate their behaviour. If they create something that makes me say 'wow!' I rate their build. Its actually a lot easier to rate someone on appearance, of course. But I'd ask that people think about it and save up their ratings for when it's really deserving. After all, if you triple pos someone you just met because you can, then you have no leverage to show your real appreciation when they DO do something that is worth rating them for.

So if you triple pos me in game when you meet me, thanks, but just dont expect the same by return, because that isn't how I hand out ratings.

I'm glad you mentioned the rate-response-handshake thing. Sometimes I do return-rating because I do like them, other times its because I'm afraid of being negged by someone if I don't. It is really hard to play by ear/eye.

Also, the whole calling-card thing. Everyone exchanges, but a lot of time I get cards from people - but they don't say a word to me. I don't want to decline to be perceived as rude, but then again...one more card won't hurt, will it?

Its just a part of the society that I don't really know how to handle with any consistency.

Glad I'm not the only one, though.

(I do take the building rating seriously though, so I'd better be in front of your well-built house or whatever to do a triple-rating, otherwise, how do I know?)

I've been triple neg rated again, and this time by a newb that I've never met while I was offline. I really don't understand the need to do that. It's a mean thing to do and shouldn't be done lightly.

That's my grumpy post for the morning.

Hi, I"m a n00b, and I have been kind of shocked by the way people seem to DEMAND that I rate them positively before I even speak with them, especially in the Welcome Area. The first time I signed on, an established member rated me with the message "I rate you positively, now you rate me!" I mean, how pushy is that? When I declined, saying I didn't feel I understood the game well enough to rate anyone yet, she IMed me that I was "hurting myself" by doing this, and then even after I left the area, she continued to IM me saying things like "well, you can rate my appearance, at least, without knowing me..."

I still am not sure how the rating system does work, how it should work (which might be different), and what really using it responsibly would mean. So at this point, I am only rating the creators of Builds I particularly like, or people I actually speak to and whose Behavior I want to compliment. I'm not just rating strangers as I pass by. Is this wrong? The person from the Welcome area seemed to think I was going to earn a bad reputation for this.

Can someone guide me?

You've got the right idea already Bhodi That person at the welcome area was doing what's considered "rate mining." It is generally frowned upon.

I just received notification of another neg rating while offline. I'm at work so I don't know if it's a triple and if it's a newbee yet. Maybe I should de-rez my builds when I'm offline

Oedefe, since we're neighbours now, maybe a newb (I won't mention her name) passed through our area and neg rated both of us... or even everyone.

I think its very easy to triple neg rate someone. I accidently did it a couple times when I meant to do a positive rating.

Could be those people were trying to rate you positively and hit the negative by accident.

I think the current way its set up:

* positive
* negative
* no rating

makes it very easy to accidently click the wrong rating.



I've only done one neg rating to someone and that was because they would not stop bothering people at an event.

I hooked someone up with the game, and they were at my house reading through the forums and posted without realizing they were logged in as me!

This is actually from Syd something or other. I can't remember what my friend is calling herself.

A FRIEND, huh? Sooooo, the truth comes out. Bhodi has multiple personalities.