Server Performance Question

All I can say is...

I spent a lot of L$ buying my land.

Now, if the performance is reduced, it's useless to me as a mall...

The land will be worthless, so I'll not be able to recoup my money...

Land in a faster sim will be more expensive... you think the PG to M thing was bad?

So ... will I be compensated for this enforced loss?

I agree with Siobhan here. There seems to be a misconception that Island/Private Estate owners paid for the privledge for their land, and the rest of we mainlanders got our land for free. Many of us paid both huge amounts of L$ and US$ (through auctions directly to LL) for mainland land. We have just as much right to demand good quality servers as the Island/Private Estate owners. We bought time shared on one or more servers, rather than a dedicated pizza box is all.

How many old servers you think the "Teen Grid" will get?

Probably none. You don't arrtact a new market with old, slow hardware. The teenie-grid will get all the nicest, newest, shiniest servers.

You know what? I'm sick and tired of hearing people bitch and moan about this server change.

All this means is you're going BACK to the old way of doing things (before sim lottos), but with increased uptime (due to the fact that it's a "pool" of servers that you can hop around inside, rather than just one box, i.e. an improved lotto system).

Your server is not going to end up worse than what it started out as. It'll just be back on the same style of box it was on when you bought the land (if you bought pre-1.3-4).

This is just LL saying "The lotto idea was ok, just badly implimented, so we're going to tweak it." Think of the "old" lotto system (the one that's going away) as a buggy piece of crap that they're fixing, rather than you losing your uber l33t sim400 in DaBoom.

And yes, I live in an old sim. Magenta. Certainly not as old as DaBoom, but just as old as Mocha or some of these other places you people are complaining about.

not even quite original. they shifted colos just a few months ago so the oldest servers aren't any older than that. we'll do much more for ourselves if we stop screaming about the hardware and start taking serious measures to cooperatively control the lagginess in our sims.

stop laughing at me. i'm being serious.

Agreed.

Soooo... some of you would be a-ok with paying full price for a 1meg DSL connection, while your next door neighbour is paying exactly the same price, for the same service, but they get a 3meg DSL connection?

Locking older-sim landowners into poorer-performing machines, I certainly hope they're going to start offering rebates on land tier fees because of this.

Not that I terribly care, I own like, 96m^2.

You were perfectly ok with some sims being "better" than others BEFORE the lotto system (or at least I never saw anyone complaining about it), so why is it an issue now?

By "cooperatively control" I hope you mean "point fingers at and blame other people passively-aggressively."

Because that's all that ever gets accomplished.

Because then the pain was shared equally... now it's all going to be guaranteed for a few unlucky people who've over time given LL the most money!

Perhaps the old sims could be used to fill in the gaps between the mainland an the islands so there was larger areas of ocean which you could sail/travel in?

Maybe each server can support several regions like the void sim areas currently.

Just a thought...

Jamie

No, before the lotto, the pain was NOT shared equally. Sims stayed on one box, and one box only. Mocha was ALWAYS on a slow sim. DaBoom was ALWAYS on an much slower sim. It was precisely just as "bad" as it will be when the new lotto goes into effect. But now people are upset about it, whereas before they weren't. This makes no sense.

Well, I suppose it makes sense if you assume that people have become SPOILED by the current (bad) lotto system.



That's the plan.

your statement is false. when we have problems in taber, every land owner in the sim cooperatively looks for and points out possible problems. every land owner in the sim willingly turns off or takes items that are suspect until we pin the problem down well enough to function again. i can say the same for zoe and slate.

i won't speak for other people, but i know of a few other sims that are wholly owned by people that are grown up enough to cooperatively control the performance of whatever machine they're running on at the time. i meant exactly what i said.

Seacliff does this, when we can.

Actually Moleculor, you are wrong.

There wasn't such a disparity before. Back before the southern region expanded, the boxes WERE all pretty much the same. Only the hyperthreaded and new Opteron servers have given significant increase in sim performance, allow new and exciting forms of content to be delivered. The old machines simply don't deliver in the SL 1.5.x world.

Now, those of us who have given Linden Lab the most money over time are getting shafted here. The disparity isn't something as simple as the difference between a 2.26 and a 2.4 ghz machine. The difference we are talking, in Indigo for example, is:

OLD MACHINE: 300 sim fps with 5 avatars, maximum of 20-25 avatars before "moving in syrup" lag sets in

NEWER MACHINE: 1750 sim fps with 5 avatars, maximum of 60-70 avatars before "moving in syrup" lag sets in

OPTERON MACHINE: 3000 sim fps with 5 avatars, maximum of ???

This is obviously a huge disparity for the same price. I don't think the issue of upgrading servers will come up as much in the future; then Lindens have obvious figured out a damn good configuration for running sims. It just doesn't exist on the early box. Call it early growing pains, replace those boxes ASAP, and this problem will be gone. In the future, come up with an upgrade path for all other servers... give them a life time of, say, 2.5 years.

Regards,

-Flip

You mean... there wasn't always a lotto system? When did this change? I thought they were always doing that.

Besides, the sim performance disparities are only going to get larger as time goes on, despite LL's attempts to keep ahead of the upgrade curve.

Then again, like I said, my opinion hardly matters, since I've never actually owned any significant amount of land. I just like to see people get a fair shake.

No, the lotto system was implimented sometime around 1.4 or so. Not sure exactly. It designed to improve the amount of uptime a sim had (so if it crashed, poof, up comes another box to replace it as fast as possible).



The only way I'm wrong is in that people who live in older sims will actually end up on BETTER sims than what they had back around 1.2.

Do you have a solution for the disparity that doesn't involve LL spending a significant portion of their $8mill? If so, I'd frelling LOVE to hear it.

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Perhaps some of you don't understand what this new system means, and why you're not getting screwed. So let me illustrate it by doing a slightly made up example.

------Pre Lotto Era (The Past)------

DaBoom was sitting on Sim1
Magenta was sitting on Sim80
Seacliff was sitting on Sim200

These numbers are made up, and I don't even know if Seacliff existed before the lotto (but I'm fairly certain it did), but this is just an example. Assume that Sim 1 is a Class 1 sim, Sim 80 is a class 2 sim, and Sim 200 is a class 3 sim.

------Old Lotto Era (The Present)-------

DaBoom might be on Sim400 one day, and Sim1 the next.
Magenta might be on Sim400 one day, and Sim1 the next.
Seacliff might be on Sim400 one day, and Sim1 the next.
SnowSim might be on Sim400 one day, and Sim1 the next.
TropicalSim might be on Sim400 one day, and Sim1 the next.
VoidSim might be on Sim400 one day, and Sim1 the next.

This volatility leads to whining coming from everyone at one point or another, and attempts to crash the sim in order to "re-lotto".

-------New Lotto Era (The Future)--------

VoidSim will end up on a class 1 sim (equivilent to Sim1)
DaBoom will end up on a class 2 sim (equivilent to Sim80) (An improvement)
Magenta will end up on a class 3 sim (equivilent to Sim200) (An improvement)
Seacliff will end up on a class 4 sim (equivilent to Sim300?) (An improvement)

Note that DaBoom, Magenta, and Seacliff all have BETTER SIMS now. Better! Improved since the 1.2 days! And it's a guaranteed improvement, too! No more wondering if the sim is going to crash and send you to Sim1... you KNOW you're guaranteed the performance you have.

So, to all of you complaining about how you're getting shafted... you obviously had no clue how this system was going to get you a sim that was BETTER than the one you had in the pre-lotto days, but now you have no excuse, and you need to stop whining.

And this is coming from someone who lives in Magenta. An "old" sim.

Well i bought in Argent, and I anticpate it's era to be about the same as Magenta. Now i bought mine in July at auction after it was released to LL and resold. I went to said sim and loved it's performance and bought 8 plots at auction. (This was during OLD LOTTO - Present according yto your classification). So essentially I AM getting a WORSE server since the time I purchased the land then I had when i initially bought. Since I dont crash my sim with events, essentially i have stayed on a #300 + box since purchase. I dont want to be on sim #80 since it had that pre-1.2 b/c i wasn't even a member then. I have plenty of reasons to dislike the thought of buying land where I could work on Particles etc, and have upwards of 1000 sim FPS, and now know I can expect 100 with some legacy hardware thats not suited for the latest release of the application. I will STFU and deal IF i am given a timeline when what I pay for ($125/mo plus initial purchase) is going to actually be upgraded and kept on hardware suited for the current application in this new "solution".

It is absolutely, positively improbable that you have remained on the same box since purchase, since SL's entire grid has been down and up AT LEAST ten times in the past THREE months, so a SIX month period would guarantee more than that, and each time the grid goes down, your box is re-lottoed.

It's also unlikely that you've remained on a Sim300 series box (chance is less than one in fourty at best, probably closer to 1 in 100)

Statistically, there's a very good chance that sometime in the past six months your server has been on a sub 200 box.

Statistically, there's a good chance that sometime in the last six months, you've had a sub 100 box.

And if you honestly expect ANY server to run at 1000 just for your needs, you SERIOUSLY have a surprise coming to you. Hell, Mocha is on a Sim422 box (one of the very top of the line) and is running at SimFPS 350 at best. Magenta is running on Sim17 (one of the worst), and is running at SimFPS 600.

A sim running at 1000SimFPS is close to empty. So if you're expecting performance in the 1,000's, you need to buy your own sim, and not put anything in it.

So you seriously don't know what you're talking about.

Here's an idea. When new features are added to the sortware, only the people who join after it's released should be able to have them. Fair?

Provide a solution to the disparity of hardware that doesn't involve LL spending a significant portion of it's $8mill before making such snide comment.

Assign them randomly. Let it be luck of the draw.

That's the way it is now, and that's too unpredictable. It's also not a solution to the disparity of hardware performance.

No. I mean assign them randomly and have them stay that way until machines are upgraded. I'd rather draw a short straw than have it handed to me deliberately as a reward for having been here since the beginning.