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GOM defrauded again?!

Zeppi Schlegel
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02-09-2005 07:11
From: Sensual Casanova
I think your negativity and accusations towards IGE are very unprofessional. I have got faster response through IGE more than I ever have through GOM... and people say GOM is more "personal" .... BS! GOM only comes around when they are scammed, other than that you deal with a scripted prim... This here has convinced me to never do business with GOM again.


I lied. :) One more post.

Sensual, be honest now. Have you *ever* done business with GOM? :)

Zep
Kris Ritter
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02-09-2005 07:54
From: Zeppi Schlegel
Second, I said that the scammer was clearly "coordinating closely with the IGE gang" - not in collusion with them. In all my dealings with IGE (and your mileage may vary), they have taken at least a half hour just to get their attention. The last time, it took about 3 hours for them to come back and tell me that they didn't want to do business with me anymore - and another 10 or so for my $1500+ refund.

For someone to clear over $2000 worth of L$ in 2 hours or so indicates that IGE was prepared for the sale - ie. the scammer had set up the buy. Again, based solely on my history of delays with them.


Interesting. Mileage definitely does vary! Cuz the one and only time I have ever taken money from SL to RL, I opted to use IGE, and the entire thing from quote to done deal took about 3 minutes if that. In fact, the IGE guy was inworld and waiting for me before I even managed to log in to complete, and he had my money in my Paypal account under a minute later before he logged out of SL. I found them very efficient and very helpful.
blaze Spinnaker
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02-09-2005 07:56
Well, it varies a bit, but yes IGE can move pretty quickly at times.
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Charles Kojima
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02-09-2005 08:02
Zeppi and crew are stand up guys. They'll fix it. Nuff said.
Anshe Chung
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02-09-2005 08:22
Mmmm, alright. Let me first say that I have absolute trust and confindence in the way Zeppi runs GOM. He is running very nice and useful service with great customer oriented attitute. I am saying this as one of his most frequent customers. I am very happy about the way he is doing business. It is exactly the kind of professionalism and integrity that the Second Life economy needs to flourish :-)

From: someone
A very simple solution here is to have LL reverse the L$ payments to IGE and to have IGE reverse the PayPal payments to the scammer. That way the fraud is averted and the scammer loses out. That was my suggestion. I'm not suggesting that IGE take the loss. PayPal reversals work both ways.


I think that is what should be expected from hororable business. I will base my judgement on IGE's business integrity on wether or not they make effort to reverse those transactions.
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Merwan Marker
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02-09-2005 08:25
From: Zeppi Schlegel
I lied. :) One more post.

Sensual, be honest now. Have you *ever* done business with GOM? :)

Zep



Zeppi this is not our business - whether another player is a GOM customer or an IGE customer.


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blaze Spinnaker
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02-09-2005 08:28
Merwan, I think he was just making a light joke about a rather consistent bias.
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CalvinRichard Klein
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02-09-2005 08:31
From: Merwan Marker
Zeppi this is not our business - whether another player is a GOM customer or an IGE customer.


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Sir, its also none of your bussiness to answer for the lady. If she does not want to answer she is not required to. Thats really nice of you to speak for other people, although its not needed.
Merwan Marker
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02-09-2005 08:33
From: CalvinRichard Klein
Sir, its also none of your bussiness to answer for the lady. If she does not want to answer she is not required to. Thats really nice of you to speak for other people, although its not needed.



ROFLOL!!


Right.



:p
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Charles Kojima
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02-09-2005 08:36
From: Anshe Chung
Mmmm, alright. Let me first say that I have absolute trust and confindence in the way Zeppi runs GOM. He is running very nice and useful service with great customer oriented attitute. I am saying this as one of his most frequent customers. I am very happy about the way he is doing business. It is exactly the kind of professionalism and integrity that the Second Life economy needs to flourish :-)


I agree. I wish more Second Life businesses were run as well.
blaze Spinnaker
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02-09-2005 08:36
Any chance you could cut back on the linefeeds, Merwan?
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CalvinRichard Klein
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02-09-2005 08:36
From: Merwan Marker
ROFLOL!!


Right.



:p



It is very true sir, Consider the following. Everyone in secondlife is required to be atleast eighteen years of age. In the united states you are considered an adult at the age of eighteen. The united states is also where Linden Lab is based out of therefore United States laws govern Linden Lab. My hypothesis is that Sensual is atleast eighteen years of age and is considered an adult in the United States of America therefore earning her the right to speak for herself.

Please correct me if this is a wrong statement.
katykiwi Moonflower
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Gom Had Better Release Our Funds Now
02-09-2005 08:37
From: Cubey Terra
You can't withdraw funds if a sell order was placed for that amount, and there's no way to cancel a sell order when your site blocks logins. Basically funds are locked.
I have a lot of lindens that I bought with real cash via paypal that I cannot withdraw from GOM now. Locking honest payouts because of other fraud issues is not legal. It's fraud too, so GOM had better release the funds, NOW!
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02-09-2005 08:39
From: blaze Spinnaker
Merwan, I think he was just making a light joke about a rather consistent bias.


I thought the same thing Merwan did - it is not appropriate for any business to breach privacy and make that kind of a statement, implied or not. Whether she does or not do business with GOM, which she has, her statements about bashing IGE are valid - I have been surprised by Zeppi's behavior myself in this thread.
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Charles Kojima
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02-09-2005 08:43
From: katykiwi Moonflower
I have a lot of lindens that I bought with real cash via paypal that I cannot withdraw from GOM now. Locking honest payouts because of other fraud issues is not legal. It's fraud too, so GOM had better release the funds, NOW!
IANAL, but GOM has a good record of bouncing back quickly from fraud. GOM is at the bleeding edge of law and technology. They deserve more consideration than the average business.
CalvinRichard Klein
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02-09-2005 08:45
I wonder whom I should contact to seek compensation for the amount of time I could not access MY money.
Cubey Terra
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02-09-2005 08:46
From: katykiwi Moonflower
I have a lot of lindens that I bought with real cash via paypal that I cannot withdraw from GOM now. Locking honest payouts because of other fraud issues is not legal. It's fraud too, so GOM had better release the funds, NOW!


I'm certain that when they sort out this fiasco, funds will be available again. I only wanted to point out that not every can still withdraw funds. Just give it some time.
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Maxx Monde
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02-09-2005 08:50
From: CalvinRichard Klein
I wonder whom I should contact to seek compensation for the amount of time I could not access MY money.


Well, Rockerfeller, I'd guess it would be Zeppi.

By the way, GOM is open.
Merwan Marker
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02-09-2005 08:56
From: katykiwi Moonflower
I have a lot of lindens that I bought with real cash via paypal that I cannot withdraw from GOM now. Locking honest payouts because of other fraud issues is not legal. It's fraud too, so GOM had better release the funds, NOW!



If GOM is open for business as announced earlier, then why would accounts still not be fully functional?



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katykiwi Moonflower
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02-09-2005 08:58
From: Zeppi Schlegel
A very simple solution here is to have LL reverse the L$ payments to IGE and to have IGE reverse the PayPal payments to the scammer. That way the fraud is averted and the scammer loses out. That was my suggestion. I'm not suggesting that IGE take the loss. PayPal reversals work both ways.

I trust LL will arrive at a good solution for everyone involved. At least I hope so. This was a big hit for us, and we weren't the only ones scammed.
LL does not have the legal authority to act as a third party arbiter and reverse the payment out to IGE. LL can only address fraud committed against LL or it faces legal liability. In addition, unless and until there is solid proof that IGE was an accessory to this fraud, then the assumption that LL was used as a vehicle to perpetuate fraud is wrong.
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Zeppi Schlegel
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02-09-2005 09:01
And again I know I said I wouldn't perpetuate this discussion here, but it seems that several people have missed the post about GOM being open for business again.

Please sign in to access your cash. If you are still having problems, please let me know, but otherwise I think I should have posted that announcement here too... sorry.

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Lynn Lippmann
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02-09-2005 09:17
I just have one question in this fiasco, which will help me make up my mind.

Awhile ago, IGE posted on their website that the purchase of Linden's was "limited" -- and some days, they were not accepting Linden's since they were, um, full.

Has this policy of IGE changed? I do know that they were accepting 50K at one time, then after the 50K, they were no longer purchasing Linden's.

Which... if they still have this limited purchase policy on their website, would make me want to ask further... Why would they accept such large amounts from new accounts to their business as well?

Can someone validate for me that IGE still has the limited purchase of Linden's on their website?
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Khamon Fate
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02-09-2005 09:21
From: katykiwi Moonflower
LL does not have the legal authority to act as a third party arbiter and reverse the payment out to IGE. LL can only address fraud committed against LL or it faces legal liability. In addition, unless and until there is solid proof that IGE was an accessory to this fraud, then the assumption that LL was used as a vehicle to perpetuate fraud is wrong.

this is true. the fraud was committed against paypal. they should honour payments made during the time it took them to realize their accounts were being hacked. then they should go after the perp with great alacrity. i learned that word on star trek. gom, ll, and ige should just have all the transactions completed normally. their systems were not at fault.

if y'all want to assign blame and worry about the security of your money, talk to paypal.
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Sydney Jacobs
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02-09-2005 09:30
From: Chip Midnight
I don't know. I couldn't figure out whose comment you thought was distasteful. It wasn't there when I looked. I thought you were arguing with yourself :p



ya me too lol
Cristiano Midnight
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02-09-2005 09:31
From: Lynn Lippmann
I just have one question in this fiasco, which will help me make up my mind.

Awhile ago, IGE posted on their website that the purchase of Linden's was "limited" -- and some days, they were not accepting Linden's since they were, um, full.

Has this policy of IGE changed? I do know that they were accepting 50K at one time, then after the 50K, they were no longer purchasing Linden's.

Which... if they still have this limited purchase policy on their website, would make me want to ask further... Why would they accept such large amounts from new accounts to their business as well?

Can someone validate for me that IGE still has the limited purchase of Linden's on their website?


Lynn,

IGE seems to vary - sometimes they are overstocked, other times I have sold 50k or more at once with no problems. The last several transactions I have made, I have had no problems at all. It often seems to vary on the time of day too - I don't think it is a limited purchase policy overall, I think their systems just monitor the volume and cut it off at a certain point until it balances out.
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