SL = False Advertisments

Just more proof that Linden Lab plays favorites!
How many times have you gone to create a new avatar and seen "psyra extrodionaire" as who refered you? twice for me.

Woah there Talen, you're being way too harsh on the poster. What he/she said is their view point and I think many could relate to it, but they also admit they probably won't come away unimpressed. But the point they're making is valid - things rarely look as good up close as they do in pictures. Your vitriolic attitude is part of why big attractions in SL very rarely have many detractors - people daren't because they'll get attacked by the passionate supporters.

All that the majority have to go on is the pictures and forgive me if I'll join in and say I can't believe it looks that good first hand. You have all these people wetting themselves over the pictures, you need to cut people some slack when they don't. We've all seen pictures of things then seen them first hand and it's not been anywhere near as good - that happens all the time. I've seen plenty of pictures of things in Second Life then actually been and visited, or got the product, and they don't look anywhere near as good - pictures are a very kind medium.

However, what I've seen of Chinatown from the pictures does look good, and if it looks as good as that in reality then I'll be very impressed and I'll be the first to say it, but don't attack people so harshly for talking common sense about the quality of pictures and how they might not represent how it actually looks.

Ah yes, it should be ready by the start of April I believe, it's coming on well from what I've seen of it. I'm kind of keeping out of the way for the most part so not to tread on any toes

Well, we should be seeing screenshots of it on the front page in March, then!

Get those Lindens over to your sim and schmooze them up!

Moopf I've seen Chinatown first hand and the pics actually aren't as good as being there IMHO.

What I absolutely hate is when someone comes into the forums that doesn't know what he's talking about and starts beating his chest saying " I know how most of this was done" and" I've seens this before" and"I've yet to see see anything truly original" not to mention that he also claims the pics are photoshoped. basically berating someones work before you've seen it is wrong....berrating someones work even after you've seen it is wrong.

Well on the photoshop thing, the images I've seen have been reduced in size so will look smoother that in reality due to the shrinking - doesn't that count as photoshopping? And yeah, well a PVP with a funky backdrop has all been seen before, many, many times before. Maybe there's something really different in here but, hey, you can't say it's really truly original now can you. I mean they've even stolen the name Unreal for it!

And maybe he does know how it's done - you can't possibly know that, can you.

Finally, why is berating work after you've seen it wrong? I don't understand. Whatever it is, you have seen it for the purpose it was intended, if it doesn't fit that purpose or does not meet the expectations, then surely it's perfectly legitimate to voice that. Sure things take a lot of time and people put a lot of effort in, but that shouldn't be any reason to say it's great if it's not.

I'm hoping this is a blast, I really am. But if it's not I'll probably just not say anything on here because of this sort of attitude.

Its never cool to berate someones work period moopf....yes, you may not like it but why subject the person that worked long and hard on a project to that? You don't have to say something is great but on the other hand theres no reason to tear it apart either.

As far as the the poster I was harsh with.....well his post above yours pretty much sums it up...his problem seems to be with LL giving Bedazzle attention.

OK, red mist Talen, the person who posted above me isn't even the same person. The person you were harsh with was Kayin Zugzwang. Kyrah Abattoir posted above me.

But besides that. Have you never seen a film and said it was rubbish, or brought an album and said it was poor, or played a game and told a friend it was shite?

Was that aimed at me? Are you implying I'm easy to impress? What would give you that idea? To my knowlege, this is the first time you and I have ever spoken. That's a bit pretentious of you, wouldn't you say?

As I said in a couple of other threads on Chinatown, I've been in SL for over year and this is the first build that has wowed me. Have a little more faith in the builders, and a little less in your own assumtions, okay?

As for your zero doubt, how many different people have to testify that it does indeed look as good as the picture before you'll accept the possibility? Zero doubt is a bit harsh, don't you think? A wise person should NEVER have zero doubt about anything. There should always be room for other possibilities besides what your mind pre-fabricates before the fact. Whether or not you end up awestruck is your perogative, but at least give credit where credit is due and don't go tearing things down with unfounded assumptions before you've seen them. Think about the fact that every single person who has actually seen this build has done nothing but sing its praises, and the only people stating otherwise are those who have not been there yet. Doesn't that at least open your mind to the chance that this build really is something special?

As for whether it affects the rest of the world, obviously only time will tell, but experience has shown that just about every good idea that has set new things apart at first has filtered out to the masses fairly quickly. It used to be only a few people knew how to cell shade; now almost everyone does. Not long ago, Starax was the only one making good-looking human and animal sculptures; now lots of people are doing it. When I first joined, there were only a select few people who made great-looking clothing; now many designs that were the best available in that period look silly, as there are hundreds and hundreds of people making better stuff every day. I could go on all day with more examples. The point is there's no reason to think that the techniques used in Chinatown will not spread just as widely. We all learn from what we see. That's the way of the world.

As for saying the grid is not owned by artists, are you sure we're talking about the same world here? While it's true that not every single person in SL is an artist, who do you think made everything you see when you look at the world? I've been around artists all my life, and I can definitively say that SL has the highest population of talented artists of any place I've ever seen, online or off. It's by design a creative world, and as such it has attracted thousands upon thousands of creative people. I have yet to meet more than a handful of people who aren't either already artistically skilled or else very interested in becoming so, and SL has proven itself to be tremendously successful learning environment for budding artists, even for a great many who never saw themselves as having any artistic talent beforehand.

You say it would be a good thing if no one or if only a very few people were to learn from the techniques epmployed to create Chinatown because "It'll make builds like these stand out more". Forgive me for being blunt when I say that that is such an elitist, backwards attitude. The truth is the more people learn from eachother, the more that what is extroardinary today becomes mundane tomorrow, the more it pushes us all to create even better things in the future. It's called progress, and it's the sign of a healthy and vibrant universe, both in RL and in SL.

The people of Bedazzle understand this concept of growth, which is perhaps why they continue to create such high-quality things. In fact, the first thing Foxy did when she showed me around was to point out exactly how some of the most impressive effects were created and to make sure I took note of them. You see, people who are great will always delight in sharing that greatness with others, and those who are wise will always take the time to learn from it. I've been a graphic artist and a 3D modeler since long before I ever heard of SL, and I can say I picked up quite a few new ideas in Chinatown. Isn't that what it's all about? There's nothing there that I or any number of other artists couldn't do just as well they did it, but there doesn't have to be in order for it to be awe inspiring. There was plenty there that it wouldn't have occered to me to do before, and that's what was so amazing about it.

Anyway, you'd do well to keep your negative assumptions at bay, open your mind, and decide that if so many people have such great things to say about a build, then maybe, just maybe, it's the real thing.

Sorry my mistake.


Yes , I have bought and seen things and thought they were complete shite. This is more personal ....I Have seen and bought your work Moopf and enjoyed it....if I hadn't liked it I wouldn't come to the forums and say " Moopfs work is flawed....doesn't look good, I've seen better" Thats just mean. It's one thing if someone is looking for constructive critisism.....quite another to rip on something someone has worked a good deal of time on and is proud of.

Hey gang.

PS: As an apology, I'd like to invite any of you to send me a teleport to your land where you can beat my avatar senseless.

-B

What happened to the days when we cheered each other on and gave credit where it was due? Must everything amazing be greeted with cries of favoritism, trickery, and competitive grudgery? Sheesh. If Bedazzle wasn't being put on a pedestal for this I'd be building them one. Anything exceptionally well done deserves praise because it's good for all of us. I'm starting to think that SL should be renamed "Nitpick: The Game!"

Bedazzle, who is your texture artist?