Wow, what a waste of time!

The problem with that feniks is that he cam into SL with preconceptions about what he was playing. He / she wanted an MMORPG, this isn't one so it sucks. The same could be said about the player who starts up Tiger Woods 2003 and says that it sucks for a baseball sim.....

Its not worth helping those who refuse to help themselves.

Also Fen,

how do you help convert someone who is already gone?

If i had met him in world I would have tried to explain the wonders of SL to him.

Or if he had instead of posting his mindless (probably preteen) post, had posted something along the lines of "This isn't what I thought it would be, what is it?" Then we could have helped him.

Instead he posts it sucks, its a waste of time, and left, gone, no chance to explain it to him.

Therefore his stupid post becomes a great target practice for our witless angry little souls

JV

Actually, maybe this is a wake-up call. Maybe someone, or a group of people should get together and write a "What is SL?" notecard? Tell EVERYTHING that SL is, and give it to everyone to give to new users. The question I get asked as a mentor all the time is "What next?" or "What do I do now?". Quite a hard question to answer.

Just my two cents...

The enormus amount of linden provided information isnt enough?

Well, I, for one, am not going to respond to this thread and give it any weight thereby.








...(oh crap)

Who ever reads the manual?


Jonathan,

"If i had met him in world I would have tried to explain the wonders of SL to him." Exactly!

You are right, you can't convert him if he is gone, but if he was target practice because of a perceived attack on SL, that is one issue, there is a better way. But if as you said "Therefore his stupid post becomes a great target practice for our witless angry little souls" ok, that is an entirely understandable different issue.

fen-

Not even About Second Life -> What is it? on the MAIN PAGE?

>_< come on now feniks even you can admit that is a bit... lame.

No one can be told just what Second Life is...
they have to discover it for themselves.

some good wisdom towards the end here,

I tend to agree, with the notion that a better laidout desription is available for new users, in some format that might cater to A.D.D sufferers. Even those who don't suffer from this, our society as a general notion is fairly internet lazy. Just look at the stats of web page views.

If the point isn't made quick or catchy within the first (dunno exact figures), lets say 1 min. people are most likely going to hit back on their browser and go to the next in line on their Google search or whatever search they use.

Also I agree with saying that, he/she could be back in their regular online RPG or whatever else they play, and bash SL, saying what Jerks the players are here (in their opinion, not mine just saying for arguements sake). Then proceed to give SL as a whole a bad rap, just based on the player contact they have recieved or percieved. As word of mouth spreads like a plague, This could do SL much harm, and if harmed enough, we could lose one of our favorite games. If SL fails we lose it too.

But I lastly agree, the thread was started with a nice touch of immature negativity. But, there really isn't anything we can do about that. But make SL look worse with our replys to it.

If he/she is watching this thread, they are just getting solidification of their opinion, regardless of how wrong we percieve it.

Everyone that I have met that has posted to this thread are really cool people, why not expend just as much energy trying to make SL look good, cuz it is good?

Fen is right, we could be turning away real SL assets if we turn on everyone who has a bad first impression, or not the impression we think everyone should have.

Sry if I upset anyone with any of this, just think SL can suffer a great loss due to user interactions alone, as I have seen some rather bad interaction in-world and in the forums, among the good interactions.

All i'm saying is this post of his was his first and last attempt at letting us know he didn't like SL or know what to do, there was no saving him, so we can bash him Seriously someone that isn't even willing to ask about it or give it a chance isn't someone I really want in SL anyways.

JV

Some people in high school can pass courses easily because the first time a teacher says somthing, the students paying attention very well will eventually go on to ace the next test.
Some people in high school can pass courses with hard work because they need to hear a teacher say somthing more than once in order for it to sink in, these people will eventually go on to pass the next test.
Some people have A.D.D. and can't hear the teacher say anything, even though they are indeed trying to pay attention so that they can pass the next test, which they may or may not do.
Some people simply don't give a rat's ass, cheat on the test, flunk out of school, or simply barely get by and then never go on to college.

I didn't list all the groups but I think these are the most common. Why I listed them is because I think that SL can only cater to some of these groups yet not all of them. I won't say which groups because I think the point of this post has already sunken in with you people

(On a side note, if I were to describe these groups in a present tense, then SL would be for none of these people, since they're all under 18 )

Is SL a private club?


fen-

I don't think he meant it that way Fen, I think he meant something along the lines of "I don't WANT to help somone like this. So why should I?".

ok, point taken and yeah this guy might have been truly lame and not worth the effort. I dunno...

Maybe in the future, posts like this can be addressed with some sort of mentor program, say, an opportunity for an inworld meeting with a mentor to work with the person...?

fen-

Not at all what I meant, but we have always had a great community, with people that were interested and wanted to be here and wanted to be here for what it was.

This guy obviously had no intention of this, he wants an RPG game, not SL... He doesn't take the time to try to figure it out or ask for help, if he had asked me I would have helped. Now thats all his choice and in my opinion his loss, but then to come to our forum and say how boring this is and how much it sucks? He was a dick and I've seen what people like him do if they do stay in SL... Can we say EZ Money? Its not a private club but i don't want people like EZ Money sticking around to be sure.

JV

If I paid money to get in, I would hope so!

OK, this is like the thousandth time I've heard the name EZ Money of like some sort of horror story whispered at night.


Will somebody PLEASE tell me who EZ Money is/was and what did he do to raise himself to mythical proportions?

I personal took somone who had basicly only ever played "There" spent the first 3 hours of their game with them teaching them just about every aspect of the game. I have done this with several other players, stoping what im doing to explain the game and its possibilities, show off a bit to increase their interest and give them the basics they need (and some tricks) to get started.

I have no problem doing this. But as said the person involved did not appear to have taken the time to ask anyone about anything. They loged in, got a base impression, didn't get what they were expecting (without a basis for that expectation) and then complained (again baselessly) and left).

There's nothing to be done about it. Hopefuly if they are coming back to read what we have replied with, they will feel duly humbled and educated about their actions. This is not a likely case from somone who acted in this way but we can hope.

PS: He who must not be named (EZ Money) must also not be spoken about directly, only rumors and night time stories are safe

thats me, i have to read some things over and over again just to understand it. Like your post
(i had horrible grades in high school)

I actually saw this guy in world. He wasn't some lost, clueless newbie. He was basically negative the whole time. When Lee suggested the building class, he acted as if someone told him to clean the shithouse with his bare hands.

I agree that we should reach out to new arrivals, but he was a lost cause as soon as he landed. SL needs more residents, but we really don't need people like him.

Was troll. Unworth wordwaste.

From the tone and content of the first post, I thought it was completely obvious that this guy is a lost cause. IMO, only way to bring him back is to piss him off so much, he brings his AOL buddies to all come and try to bash the forums and the game. This guy is all about spoon fed content. I've gone through all the MMORPG's and tried to bring a lot of my friends there to try SL. But once they hear you can't kill anything, they immediately say no. SL definitely appeals to a certain crowd. It's no wonder a lot of people who play here came from TSO or There instead of Dark Age of Camelot, Anarchy Online, Star Wars Galaxies, etc. The formula for MMORPG's has been successful so far and is why you see them pop up everywhere now. Look at this list:

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm?gameID=0

Of all the games listed, there are only 3 games that fit the category of 'Real Life' and they are TSO, There, and SL. Just about everything else is more or less a cookie cutter MMORPG in the fantasy or scifi category.
It would be nice to be able to tap into the large crowd of MMORPG players... but I don't think it's an easy thing to do.