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Cristiano Midnight

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10-10-2003 23:23

Ok, as enamoured as I am with 1.1 (and believe me I am), one thing I am dismayed by is the removal of Focus On as an option on the pie menu. I use it far more frequently than reaching for the keyboard. I know I can press ALT, but why was this removed? It seems the more options, the better - not less.

Cristiano Midnight

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10-10-2003 23:24

PS - yes I know I mentioned this in the 1.1 preview thread - I didn't want it to get lost amongst all those posts.

Cristiano Midnight

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10-25-2003 10:38

This never got any response so I thought I would make it rise to the top again - I have heard many people so far in SL ask the same question - why was Focus On removed as an option - not everyone is comfortable with the alt-key focus fuctionality.

Loki Pico

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10-25-2003 10:51

I never used "focus on". It caused me to send a "working on" beam from my hand to whatever I was focusing on. It was frequently a distraction at events. I always just alt focus on things.

James Miller

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10-25-2003 10:57

I never used it either -- maybe they can make it an option to have?

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Darwin Appleby

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10-25-2003 11:15

I also never used it, but I second the option to have it anyway.

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Bel Muse

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10-25-2003 11:39

Not only am i dismayed to see it gone from the pie menu, but even more disconcerting Take is put into the same position. So now when i attempt to focus on something, i end up taking it. Argh!

Cory Linden

Linden Lab Employee

Join date: 19 Nov 2002

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10-25-2003 13:26

It was removed from the pie menu because we ended up running out of slots . . . downside of raidal menus, limited number of options.

Chip Midnight

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10-25-2003 13:32

I never used it. I'm so addicted to the keyboard shortcut that I try and do it in other programs.

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feniks Stone

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10-25-2003 13:36

aw so sad, I used it all the time. You only needed one hand to focus. Now I have to sit up and take my head out of my hand and use that hand to hit the alt key...

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Cory Linden

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10-25-2003 13:56

Actually, Fen, if you are careful you can smack the alt key with your head, leaving your hand free.

Dave Zeeman

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10-25-2003 14:03

I don't get it...

What do you people do with your feet? Just use your big toe on either your left or right foot to hit the alt button, that should be just fine. It's not like your feet do much when you're sitting down to use your computer, might as well put them to use!

PS: I always used the alt key, but as a funny aside, I think Linden Labs should make it so that if you hold a certain hot-key, you can get the old-style pie menus. *Waits to see how many people don't get it*

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Misnomer Jones

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10-25-2003 14:06

I also miss "focus on" , seemed to make textures bake faster. But then again maybe it was just because it took a microsecond to focus on which took my attn away from the wait.

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Darwin Appleby

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10-25-2003 14:14

Alt-zoom is addictive; I use it in every other program I'm in. Try alt-zooming in Visual Basic, and see what your co-workers say to you afterwards

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Ama Omega

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10-25-2003 14:28

If you have a logitech mouse with any extra buttons the latest drivers from logitech lets you program those extrea buttons to any key stroke - I just set my thumb button up as Alt and it works great!

If you don't have a logitech mouse .... go get one. They are definatly the best mice.

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feniks Stone

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10-25-2003 17:15

I am often petting the kitty with my feet, otherwise I am most times crossed legged in the chair. I can see hitting the alt key with my head, but gawd, all that engery to lift it back up again... not sure I manage that.

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Originally posted by Dave Zeeman
I don't get it...

What do you people do with your feet?

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Pendari Lorentz

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10-26-2003 02:47

LOL Cory and Dave!

Seriously though, this was a feature I always used as well. I found that I could focus faster and more accuratly in exactly on the spot I was aiming. With the Alt key and mouse focus, I feel like I did when learning to fly and walk (both of which I still often have trouble with

). I just don't feel like I'm as much in control with the new way of focusing. I'm sure others though feel they do have more control. I don't like it, but that is just my opinion. =)

Teeny Leviathan

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Join date: 20 May 2003

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10-26-2003 04:48

Has anyone ever tried Camera Controls? Its under the View menu. I do all my panning and zooming mouse only. It always seemed easier to me. Its been there since beta.

Cristiano Midnight

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10-26-2003 09:28

From: someone

Originally posted by Cory Linden
It was removed from the pie menu because we ended up running out of slots . . . downside of raidal menus, limited number of options.

I understand, but in its place, the useless and duplicated Touch option was added - we can already touch using the left mouse button, the whole point of making the left mouse button for touching. Focus On could easily be put back where Touch is now.

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Ama Omega

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10-26-2003 09:51

Ahhhh noooo hehe a new feature was added Cristiano to be able to rename that button. Which allows for a smoother integration of objects into the interface. I personally would prefer for it to trigger its own event (like touch_menu()) instead of the generic touch events. That could really improve the way we interact with some things.

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Nergal Fallingbridge

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10-27-2003 13:16

LOL -- I was playing a round of Planescape Torment this weekend and kept going insane trying to swing the map around so I could see the loot behind buildings, or alt-zoom in to get a detail closeup. O_o

ended up having to almost literally sit on my left hand (Torment's a mouse-based game so you don't really need anything except the space bar for pausing it). >_<

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Gwydeon Nomad

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10-27-2003 13:28

D@#$ you lindens for giving us such a universaly useful feature...

Now if only we could alt zoom IRL... So many possibilities

Ironchef Cook

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10-27-2003 13:41

I kinda like the Touch option in the pie menu. Now I can test touch events and stay in edit mode. Before it was.. go out of edit mode, touch, see what happens, then go back into edit mode.

Lynnix Muse

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Join date: 26 Dec 2002

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10-27-2003 13:43

Same here teeny! I use alt to focus on it, then use camera controls to move around the view, works great. Done that sence beta as well

Ironchef Cook

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10-27-2003 13:49

I used to use the camera controls a lot too until I found out you can rotate with camera with ctrl-alt and pan with ctrl-alt-shift.
Actually I hardly ever use pan, but these day I do find myself using alt-click to zoon and then immediately hold ctrl-alt to rotate around the thing im focusing on.

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Cristiano Midnight Evil Snapshot Baron Join date: 17 May 2003 Posts: 8,616	10-10-2003 23:23 Ok, as enamoured as I am with 1.1 (and believe me I am), one thing I am dismayed by is the removal of Focus On as an option on the pie menu. I use it far more frequently than reaching for the keyboard. I know I can press ALT, but why was this removed? It seems the more options, the better - not less.
Cristiano Midnight Evil Snapshot Baron Join date: 17 May 2003 Posts: 8,616	10-10-2003 23:24 PS - yes I know I mentioned this in the 1.1 preview thread - I didn't want it to get lost amongst all those posts.
Cristiano Midnight Evil Snapshot Baron Join date: 17 May 2003 Posts: 8,616	10-25-2003 10:38 This never got any response so I thought I would make it rise to the top again - I have heard many people so far in SL ask the same question - why was Focus On removed as an option - not everyone is comfortable with the alt-key focus fuctionality.
Loki Pico Registered User Join date: 20 Jun 2003 Posts: 1,938	10-25-2003 10:51 I never used "focus on". It caused me to send a "working on" beam from my hand to whatever I was focusing on. It was frequently a distraction at events. I always just alt focus on things.
James Miller Village Idiot Join date: 9 Jan 2003 Posts: 1,500	10-25-2003 10:57 I never used it either -- maybe they can make it an option to have? _____________________ George W. Bush hates America.
Darwin Appleby I Was Beaten With Satan Join date: 14 Mar 2003 Posts: 2,779	10-25-2003 11:15 I also never used it, but I second the option to have it anyway. _____________________ Touche.
Bel Muse Registered User Join date: 13 Dec 2002 Posts: 388	10-25-2003 11:39 Not only am i dismayed to see it gone from the pie menu, but even more disconcerting Take is put into the same position. So now when i attempt to focus on something, i end up taking it. Argh!
Cory Linden Linden Lab Employee Join date: 19 Nov 2002 Posts: 173	10-25-2003 13:26 It was removed from the pie menu because we ended up running out of slots . . . downside of raidal menus, limited number of options.
Chip Midnight ate my baby! Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 10,231	10-25-2003 13:32 I never used it. I'm so addicted to the keyboard shortcut that I try and do it in other programs. _____________________ My other hobby: www.live365.com/stations/chip_midnight
feniks Stone At the End of the World Join date: 25 Nov 2002 Posts: 787	10-25-2003 13:36 aw so sad, I used it all the time. You only needed one hand to focus. Now I have to sit up and take my head out of my hand and use that hand to hit the alt key... fen-
Cory Linden Linden Lab Employee Join date: 19 Nov 2002 Posts: 173	10-25-2003 13:56 Actually, Fen, if you are careful you can smack the alt key with your head, leaving your hand free.
Dave Zeeman Master Procrastinator Join date: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 1,025	10-25-2003 14:03 I don't get it... What do you people do with your feet? Just use your big toe on either your left or right foot to hit the alt button, that should be just fine. It's not like your feet do much when you're sitting down to use your computer, might as well put them to use! PS: I always used the alt key, but as a funny aside, I think Linden Labs should make it so that if you hold a certain hot-key, you can get the old-style pie menus. Waits to see how many people don't get it _____________________ llToggleDaveZeemanIntelligence(FALSE); Philip Linden: Zeeman, strip off the suit! Dave Zeeman - Keeping Lindens on their toes since v0.3.2!
Misnomer Jones 3 is the magic number Join date: 27 Jan 2003 Posts: 1,800	10-25-2003 14:06 I also miss "focus on" , seemed to make textures bake faster. But then again maybe it was just because it took a microsecond to focus on which took my attn away from the wait. _____________________
Darwin Appleby I Was Beaten With Satan Join date: 14 Mar 2003 Posts: 2,779	10-25-2003 14:14 Alt-zoom is addictive; I use it in every other program I'm in. Try alt-zooming in Visual Basic, and see what your co-workers say to you afterwards _____________________ Touche.
Ama Omega Lost Wanderer Join date: 11 Dec 2002 Posts: 1,770	10-25-2003 14:28 If you have a logitech mouse with any extra buttons the latest drivers from logitech lets you program those extrea buttons to any key stroke - I just set my thumb button up as Alt and it works great! If you don't have a logitech mouse .... go get one. They are definatly the best mice. _____________________ -- 010000010110110101100001001000000100111101101101011001010110011101100001 --
feniks Stone At the End of the World Join date: 25 Nov 2002 Posts: 787	10-25-2003 17:15 I am often petting the kitty with my feet, otherwise I am most times crossed legged in the chair. I can see hitting the alt key with my head, but gawd, all that engery to lift it back up again... not sure I manage that. From: someone Originally posted by Dave Zeeman I don't get it... What do you people do with your feet? fen-
Pendari Lorentz Senior Member Join date: 5 Sep 2003 Posts: 4,372	10-26-2003 02:47 LOL Cory and Dave! Seriously though, this was a feature I always used as well. I found that I could focus faster and more accuratly in exactly on the spot I was aiming. With the Alt key and mouse focus, I feel like I did when learning to fly and walk (both of which I still often have trouble with ). I just don't feel like I'm as much in control with the new way of focusing. I'm sure others though feel they do have more control. I don't like it, but that is just my opinion. =)
Teeny Leviathan Never started World War 3 Join date: 20 May 2003 Posts: 2,716	10-26-2003 04:48 Has anyone ever tried Camera Controls? Its under the View menu. I do all my panning and zooming mouse only. It always seemed easier to me. Its been there since beta.
Cristiano Midnight Evil Snapshot Baron Join date: 17 May 2003 Posts: 8,616	10-26-2003 09:28 From: someone Originally posted by Cory Linden It was removed from the pie menu because we ended up running out of slots . . . downside of raidal menus, limited number of options. I understand, but in its place, the useless and duplicated Touch option was added - we can already touch using the left mouse button, the whole point of making the left mouse button for touching. Focus On could easily be put back where Touch is now. Cristiano
Ama Omega Lost Wanderer Join date: 11 Dec 2002 Posts: 1,770	10-26-2003 09:51 Ahhhh noooo hehe a new feature was added Cristiano to be able to rename that button. Which allows for a smoother integration of objects into the interface. I personally would prefer for it to trigger its own event (like touch_menu()) instead of the generic touch events. That could really improve the way we interact with some things. _____________________ -- 010000010110110101100001001000000100111101101101011001010110011101100001 --
Nergal Fallingbridge meep. Join date: 26 Jun 2003 Posts: 677	10-27-2003 13:16 LOL -- I was playing a round of Planescape Torment this weekend and kept going insane trying to swing the map around so I could see the loot behind buildings, or alt-zoom in to get a detail closeup. O_o ended up having to almost literally sit on my left hand (Torment's a mouse-based game so you don't really need anything except the space bar for pausing it). >_< _____________________ powered by caffeine since 1998! "In such ugly times, the only true protest is beauty." -- Phil Ochs
Gwydeon Nomad Registered User Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 480	10-27-2003 13:28 D@#$ you lindens for giving us such a universaly useful feature... Now if only we could alt zoom IRL... So many possibilities
Ironchef Cook - Join date: 23 Jun 2003 Posts: 574	10-27-2003 13:41 I kinda like the Touch option in the pie menu. Now I can test touch events and stay in edit mode. Before it was.. go out of edit mode, touch, see what happens, then go back into edit mode.
Lynnix Muse Registered User Join date: 26 Dec 2002 Posts: 156	10-27-2003 13:43 Same here teeny! I use alt to focus on it, then use camera controls to move around the view, works great. Done that sence beta as well
Ironchef Cook - Join date: 23 Jun 2003 Posts: 574	10-27-2003 13:49 I used to use the camera controls a lot too until I found out you can rotate with camera with ctrl-alt and pan with ctrl-alt-shift. Actually I hardly ever use pan, but these day I do find myself using alt-click to zoon and then immediately hold ctrl-alt to rotate around the thing im focusing on.

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