I havent been right....

Last night I was searching on LIMEWIRE for banned commericals in US. The search brought forth all kinds of banned videos.

I saw on list the beheading of Nick Berg by al Qaeda. I downloaded...and watched. I havent felt right since. I still shiver and dont wanna see it again. Flashes of the images pop in my head....and you can hear Nicks gasp while drowning in his own blood. What I didnt know was that the beheading was done with a long machete looking knife. They sawed his head off. It was so incredibly cold and I just dont see how anyone could do such a thing and not be affected and so proud of it. No matter how much I would hate another could I bring myself to do such a brutal act on them.

You know...I go along thru my day. I may hear such an incident on News but its rather a pause of "oh my" and I am off again in my world, brushing off such news. It really impacted me to actually see it and I feel guilty for not giving more sorrow within myself at the time I heard of it last year... to the horror this poor man went thru and knowing his family watched it on the net.

I wanted to tell you all how much I do care about all of you here as well as my own rl family. Im happy we all can have a Second Life. I think we are blessed.

hugs and love to the entire SL world
you all (even in opposition) mean alot to me and my life.

jo

jolene...a lot of people bash the united states...but horrors go on like that in different countries often...saddam hussain did it to his own people over and over again....im horrified that people cant even realize the own freedom we as americans have...im thankful to have sl, and to be an american and be free from tyranny like that

I havn't seen the video, but I've heard it.
Not something easy to forget.

I too wouldn't wish that on anyone.

I saw the video, and a few of the other ones involving other victims. I am a typical desensitized young person, and that movie impacted my like no other. Absolutely horrible. I can't believe someone could do that to another, as we all know, there is something really screwed up with the world right now. I don't who's fault it is.

and they profess it in the name of a GOD.....Im freaked abit over it. That scene will stay with me much like when 911 happened...I cant get the imagine of ppl jumping from Towers. I cant imagine being so trapped that only choice was to jump to my death. I am not afraid of anything.....that shit...gives me nite terrors of the worst kind.

A friend in real life said to me about Nick Berg..."he deserved it...shouldnt be over there in that country". That man wasnt political or a reporter or millitary. They sooo hate America. Those ppl are not educated I know but it doesnt take smarts to be kind.

Hey Jolene *HUGGSSSSS* I can't handle stuff like that at all. If you sit and think about the crap that goes on in this world, the crimes against children and other people you realize all kinds of insanely sick things happen every day every where. Yeah I gotta push that stuff outta my head cuz it messes me up too. All you can do sweet Jolene is be kind to those you come in contact with. The world is so messed up petty arguing on differences of opinion seem ridiculous *looks at the forums* haha.

Hey how's that beautiful baby of yours? Give him kisses for me Talk to you in world!!


"Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength."

hey Jolene - I made the mistake of watching it too... but I have sense that he deserved to have a witness to his horrible end. Those that can should witness it and forever remember Nick and the others whose lives have been needlessly used and wasted. If I was going to get my head chopped... er.. hacked ansd sawed off, I think I would want someone else to know and to see it. Is that a crazy thought? Sometimes I wonder, because it is a life altering experience to watch something like that.

It is difficult to watch, but even as I was watching it, something didnt seem right about it. There are a number of people that feel the whole thing is a fake. There are frequently over 40 examples sited as things wrong with the footage. Decide for yourself, maybe if you decide to agree that the footage was faked, you might not feel so bad about what you saw.

Nick Berg Conspiracy Theories

Most Direct, Specific Site with Faked Info

I know what you mean there... I was searching the net awhile back and came upon a site of photos of people jumping from the Towers. I was horrified, yet at the same time I felt compelled to look, don't know why.... maybe just to ackowledge to myself that these were real people with real lives who mattered to somebody. I still can't forget the images.... they weren't close enough to see faces, thank god... don't know if I could handle it if you could see their faces. Like you said, I can't imagine being in that situation, where my only choice was to jump. It makes me grateful all over again for the friends I have here and for my RL family. it makes me want to hold them closer and tell them every day how much they mean to me.

Loki, that is by far the most ignorant thing I have heard in a long time. Maybe finding his body with his head detached is a fucking clue that it is real. Go ask his family if it is real. To even suggest this is fake to spit on the man and his death. You should be ashamed of yourself.


This is from your very own website. Did you even bother to read it?

I watched it too and agree that it had a lasting impact on my life. As horrible as it was to watch I believe that everyone should see it for themselves and use that horrific event to remind us who the bad guys really are. So many want to paint President Bush and the US as the bad guys but these terrorists are nothing but animals. These people are real and they are out there.

Watch that video and then tell me how they should not be hunted down and at a minimum spend their remaining lives in prison. Watch that video and remind yourself that these are the same people who on 9/11 flew planes into the WTC, Pentagon and into a hole in Pennsylvania and caused the death of thousands if innocent people. Watch this video and remind yourself that if they have the chance they would happily do the same thing to you.

God bless Nick Berg and the others that suffered the same fate. Their deaths will not go in vain. One thing that the terrorists do not understand about Americans is that visual images like that do nothing but motivate us to come get you and use all means necessary to do so. Your deaths will be remembered.

I dont dispute that Nick Berg is dead. I did not mean to seem insensitive to this event. Please forgive me for seeming uncaring or unsympathethic concerning the death of Nick Berg, it was not my intent.

But, I also dont accept everything I am spoonfed by the media as fact. If I seek alternative avenues and opinions for news sources, then I am ignorant. Im sorry you felt the need to degrade me for offering an alternative view.

I did not create those websites, I merely found them and was passing it on. You can disregard them if you wish, its for you to decide. I dont embrace them as my belief, they are only an altenative view to what may have happened.

I do sincerely apologize for offending you, but I am not ashamed of myself.

Loki, I did not say that “you” were ignorant. What I said was that was the most ignorant thing I have read in a long time, referring to his death being a fake. There is a vast difference between that and saying that you, personally are ignorant. You are usually well spoken and far from ignorant to set the record straight.

I take you at your word that you came off in a way that was not intended. The way I read it you did come across they way you described but I accept your apology without reservation.

Personally, I would not pass trash like that on to anyone much less a widely read forum like this one but that is me. You are free to do so and I am free to call it like I see it. No personal attack was intended and I apologize if you took it that way.

Oh, to add one thought, why is there so much outrage against Abu Ghraib yet very little outrage against the beheading if civilians? The majority of liberals and their liberal slanted media will do anything to bring down President Bush and the beheadings only strengthen the reasons why we are there is why. The mentality is that it is perfectly fine to sacrifice this war as long as President Bush looks bad. Just an observation.

I think they should have to watch this and the thousands of innocent people being killed in Iraq by our invasion under false pretenses to get the true picture of horror inthe world.

It should be a double feature. Even the lives of the "brown people" are precious.

I don't think that anyone disputes the fact that Nick Berg is, in fact, dead as a result of having his head sawn off. They buried him and everything, so one would think there was little to dispute there.

I had the opportunity to look through coroner photograph books once... had the same effect on me.

I don't often share this, but I feel its appropriate...

Seeing dead ppl, and ppl getting killed is hideous, in movies, you know its not really happening and that person isn't really dying, but in RL, its absoloutely awful.

I was waiting once, for my dad, in a taxi office where he used to work, I was around 14/15 at the time, when I noticed a lil boy wandering around in the street in his pj's (around 5ish) so I went out, noone else around, I asked him if he was ok, he looked a lil scared, dazed, etc, he just calmly told me ' I can't wake my mummy up', so I took his hand and asked him to take me to his house, which he did, me just wanting to get the boy back into his house didn't make me think to go and find someone to come with me, natural instincts just took over.

We got into his house, nothing looked amiss, he told me his mum was in the lounge asleep and he started to wander off up the stairs, so I knocked on the door, no answer and just gulped and walked in, and there she was, with a note, she had taken pills, killed herself, I din't actually freak out, I was just shocked above all, so I dialled 999 got the police, explained etc, kinda in a daze myself, they asked me to stay with the boy upstairs and not to touch anything, so I went upstairs, where I found him, sat on his bed just playing, totally unaware of anything that was going on, then I saw a cot, with a lil girl in it, i would say around 1ish...

I just burst into tears, she had killed herself, while her two children slept, to FIND her... I don't know if that lil boy knew exactly what he walked into, or even if he thinks about it much, but I still do, to this day, I have visions of her body, not that I really saw that much, just her slumped, but it stays with you and haunts you forever, I just really hope that lil boy can't remember much.

If you watch that video, at first it scars you... Then watch it again and it's gross. Watch it a third time and you just barely feel it.

The effect of seeing something that horrific has a lasting effect on the human person. And the kind of people who did the things in these videos have grown up with war, and they've grown up watching their friends and family getting killed and torn to bits in conflict after conflict.

It's hard to say whose fault it is or what wars they have been in, but that's why they are violent. It's what they know. We may have to 'do our best' with the violent people until a generation of people can grow up in stability. We may be giving Iraq democracy today but for the last few generations it and nations like it have had lots of turmoil, and the result of that will be felt across the world.

Jsecure...not try'n to debate you but I will never ever "barely feel it", no matter how many times I watch that. Nothing bothers me...I have all the faces of death, some of those....when animals attack....others of the like. Brian Mifflin said "I am a typical desensitized young person"....well me to (leaving out the "young"...I consider myself
HARDCORE!

I never thought much about the deep rooted and long history of their day to day existance with violence as you pointed out. I dont know tho.....that seems abit much even if your from a violent culture upbringing. They could have just shot Nick......or whatever happened to the guillotine? and Im ashamed to admit that most any other means of execution, well, wouldnt have bothered me that bad if at all.

They SAWED his head off with a machete. The blade was dull even. They were effortless with the task, as if this was a chickens head they were removing and not a human beings. Jesus...I cant even recall the Nazi's getting their hands so dirty in all the horror I have heard and read on that. I think even if you had the balls to do it...you prolly would be abit sick while doing it or after. They are some heartless cold pieces of shit and I will never "barely feel it"....not that....not ever!

This is my point exactly. You seem to think that the terrorists are just going to quit or go away and that is just not going to happen unless we go get them. You want to paint President Bush and the US as the bad guys and that is not the case either. Watch that video again and tell me who the bad guys are Neehai.

Oh, and to insinuate that this has anything to do with the color of their skin is kinda pathetic don't you think?

glad you pointed it out and spoke up about that comment....i wasnt going to.

Jolene,

I totally respect how you feel. I speak from my experience and it's not what everyone may feel. It may be I'm in the minority. But after watching two or three beheading videos I wasn't that fazed. I think I wouldn't like to get my hands dirty with all that blood going everywhere but I'd probably have to problems stabbing some terrorists with knives. Probably because I don't like them and their commitment to killling innocent people. Actually I wouldn't stab them, cause I don't really like what killing people stands for. But I wouldn't be sorry if someone did kill them.

For me watching the videos does desensitize me to the sight of killing. I don't feel the same shock at all that I did when I first saw a beheading video. I was not quite right for half a day after I first saw one.

I think it's true that violence does breed more violence.

I think it is overly simplistic to divide the world into "bad guys" and "good guys". Moreso, I think it is dangerous. Just because you drop a bomb and happen to kill a "bad guy" while also killing thousands of "innocent guys" doesn't make you the "good guy". Innocent brown-skinned people don't deserve to be killed by an invasion under false pretenses.

I've seen the video. It looks like a killing. A Christian in Kansas is in jail for torturing and killing people which some might argue is even worse. I don't think we should invade Kansas and kill the Christians. (although I will admit to considering it briefly)


Insinuate? Pathetic? Well, odd you should say that.

I was just referencing fearless leader and his assertion that even the "brown-skinned" people deserve freedom. Obviously, if George W. Bush is willing to speak up for the "brown-skinned" people then so am I!

"Some of the debate really center around the fact that people don't believe Iraq can be free; that if you're Muslim, or perhaps brown-skinned, you can't be self-governing and free. I strongly disagree with that. I reject that, because I believe that freedom is the deepest need of every human soul, and, if given a chance, the Iraqi people will be not only self-governing, but a stable and free society."
Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/04/20040413-20.html

We're on a "crusade" to save the "brown skinned" people from the "bad guys".

Man, I wish I coulda warned ya 'bout the Berg video....It funked my head up for a few weeks as well (I watched it right after it all happened). It will never go away, but you will deal with it over time, I guess...

Hitler would have loved you Neehai and we would all be speaking German right now.

Just for kicks... how about telling us when you would support war?

I corrected your grammar.